Kyokushin?

I won't argue with you on judo because I do it myself, but kyokushin is far from being the most common form of karate. Plus, from the sound of it your sparring is bodyshots only, and while you DO have kicks, boxing is still better by virtue of the fact that you're much more likely to punch someone in the face. Plus, it encourages dodging over blocking, so you're not training to take hits

No head punches*
Kicks to the head are perfectly legal. And when you're striking barefisted with your hands, hitting the head is bad for your hands

In kyokushin, we do spar with punches to the head and face. But in most competitions you're only allowed body shots. I can still take and deliver full power head punches.

Fair, fair. But that doesn't change the fact that kyokushin is still not very common, and it doesn't really matter where you learn boxing since there's only really one "school" of boxing.

At any rate, where do you live that has a kyokushin joint? I've been trying to check it out, but my state doesn't seem to have a dojo for it

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I live and train in Australia. Over the years I've traveled around the country and trained at different Kyokushin dojos. Going to go to Japan on a cultural visa and train over there next year.

if you have to choose between those styles, kudo is the superior choice, is basically mma for weebs, kyokushing and judo mix with several other styles thrown in, is pretty neat.
>kyokushin
hard body conditioning and great close range punches and kicks but zero defence
>shotokan
great straight punches, decent cardio zero everythin else
>goju ryu
overall great conditioning, well balanced ratio of skill, but not on a significant level unless you take it to higher levels yourself
>kudo
very wide set of skill, close, mid long range punching and kicking, throws, takedown and grappling, but very poorly practiced, all the good kudo fighters cross train in different better styles
>kempo
scratch kempo
like i said kudo is the superior choice, so go for it, but personally i would recommend to actually learn from a better fighting style like box, muay thai, kickboxing, wrestling, judo and jiujitsu and then you can have your fun with kudo

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>posts a manga page
opinion immediately discarded

Whichever has the nicest teacher

ive practiced kudo for 3years after a moved to a town that didnt have a decent muay thai place , Kudo its pretty solid and has a wide range of skills but its like mma if you dont already have a solid base in something its kind of tough to get good at it , but once i did i loved it i went and on a couple of national comepetitions and did pretty well always in the first 3 and its pretty practical too , it also allows headbuts and it gives you limited time on the ground so you have to be explosive once you get there , next best thing is kyokushin

what are your goals?

I trained at a derivative of goju-ryu for years. no karate style will teach you actual self-defense techniques, but they're usually decent fitness and good self-development. I really enjoyed doing the goju-ryu kata and complexes, but they're just karate for karate's sake.

honestly, whichever is the least McDojo-ish is the best/

Judo makes you strong not just physically

>friend has done bjj for 4 years
>I’ve done Greco Roman wrestling for about 6 month
>starts talking shit about how he could easily choke me out
>have a grappling match
>pick up his unconditions 160lbs body and slam him into the ground
>cradle him till he gives up
BJJ is a meme

He most of lied. Or trained so poor.

Wrestling still the best fast reponce to self defence

boxing, karate is fake

It’s not that. BJJ practitioners focus so much on the gentle art flow bollocks. Most of them are out of shape and weak with no conditioning. Compare that to wrestlers who all lift and condition the fuck out there bodies.

I wish I did wrestling when I was younger. I started Judo at 21 and i always get btfo by the people who did wrestling since a young age

Look for mma guys.

Hijacking the thread: I'm thinking about picking up Krav Maga in September.
How good of a martial arts is it and how useful would it be in real life situations?

I had a manlet friend who was into karate, I kicked his ass without a single day of training. Good times.

Except Kyokushin all of them meme. For example in shotokan you are not even allowed to touch your oppenent. Kyokushin needs a great conditioning but if you are looking for some real combat sport, martial arts go for bjj muay thai k1 boxing wrestling. Karate do is only for kata and except mawashi geri all other attacks are bullshit.
> inb4 2. Kyu shotokan meme

It's honestly a waste of your money. Defending from an armed person is just too risky and in my opinion you're better off learning boxing, wrestling, judo, Muay Thai or BJJ. These are the proven arts that will definitely provide you good self-defence skills. I think a lot of guys here would agree with me but try out some gyms yourself and see what you like best

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I thought it's used by some militaries and as such came to the conclusion that it is very effective.
Does it not teach how to defend against unarmed opponent? I have no combat or fighting experience whatsoever and here in the Czech Republic it is not as necessary as I imagine it is in the US to be able to defend yourself; I'm really looking for something to just give me some basics and raise my confidence a bit.
Considering the price, it costs 2500czech crowns (some 120usd) for 5 months so it's not that much of a problem.

Kyokushin. Kudo if it's available but it's hard to find.

Kyokushin is legit. As others have pointed out it's a bit less good than boxing, muay thai or kickboxing from a technical finesse standpoint, but it will toughen you up and you will hit and receive hits like a fucking truck.

Kudo is the same thing with Judo rules grappling and a little (bad) boxing added. Really seems quite solid. Still not as good as a dedicated MMA school teaching all ranges in a specialised way, but maybe the most bang for your buck of any single traditional martial art. If it only had a wider talent pool it'd be up there with muay thai, freestyle wrestling and bjj.

Don't do shotokan or kenpo, these are memes. If you do goju, you'll end up tough 10 years from now if it's done properly, but there's a kata and personal development and spiritual focus.

There's an old school goju dojo school the town over from us, and when my kyokushin dojo has sparring meetups with them, they actually hang in there fine, which is impressive seeing as they shun competition. We don't spar shotokan or kenpo guys because they could not take it. It happened once before I was enrolled and a couple of the point fighters got broken noses and the like and they never came back apparently.

Kyokushin is karate at it's most simple and brutal. It's about bludgeoning people barehanded. It'll work, and you'll end up with some cool kicks that a nak muay wouldn't usually know.

I'm doing kyokushin because I'm poor, and one day I'll switch to mma, but I'm not regretting it one bit.

Don't get me wrong i'm sure there's places with good Krav Maga and i'm sure it can be useful but considering you're in Czech Republic it's likely you'll run into McDojos. I'm a Thai Boxer/Boxer for 2 years now and the no-bullshit nature of striking quickly turned me from an uncoordinated and unconfident guy into someone used to taking a punch and reacting accordingly. The simplicity really helps more in a fight and I've been told that unarmed Krav Maga basically borrows from MT/BJJ/Wrestling/Boxing anyways. The price you mentioned is decent but you could find a good boxing gym for the same and have visible and applicable skills.

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More fighting, less bowing and calling people master.

You should decide based on the instructors quality and your goals each of the martial arts you've listed have there differences that are easy to google. Most important thing is the teacher. Other than ju-jitsu I've only really trained at quality clubs in Kyokushin, Wado and Shotokan. last year my Shotokan club took over a club in the city (same organization) last year and the quality was very poor purely down to the previous instructor. Make sure the instructor is qualified, has a competitive history, is knowledgeable and you teaches in a way that works for you.

Never heard of this shit.
Stop watching anime gooks beating each other faggot.
Go do wrestling or kickboxing.

that's not remotely true
youtube.com/watch?v=oErUvO88kCM

>hitting the head is bad for your hands
only if you have little soft baby hands

i did kudo and liked it a lot (no kata + ground work)
tried shotokan but wasnt my thing, too much traditional kata
the strongest guy i know, who is barely human, had a lot of troubles keeping up with kyokushin so maybe do that only if you are really hardcore
dunno the other 2

anyway better check the teachers, this is always the main concern

>2500czech crowns
from my publicagent experience, that seems pretty convenient

>stop watching anime faggot
>Go do wrestling

>>You like animations series about martial arts
>>Go grab another male' body like a real man

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kyokushin is no joke despite the no punch to the head rule

this is what allows the fighter to keep fighting after decades of practicing I started kyokushin am i still doing it some of my friend who were boxer stopped already it has only been a few years

why is that you will ask. Because boxing is only punch to the head that's the main goal and it is not healthy at all then get injuries while wearing glove kyokushin fighter fight bare knuckles

you need a strong mind if you want to do kyokushin if you are weak in your head just go do boxethai or mma

in fact the newbie in my dojo train harder than some mma kickboxer semi pro or pro

youtu.be/Dfz7hr-F4qk

youtube.com/watch?v=eQBBSLtReNk

youtube.com/watch?v=7TSu7JheMoM

youtu.be/ywZRy9pdHzk

even the kids are trained the hard ways

also kudo is good but do kyokushin first to learn basics stuff

youtube.com/watch?v=RMYbUVlbjIM

you lifting faggot need to stop talk bs about martial art or combat sport especially if you have never fight somebody outside school night club etc

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Kyokushin is good inasmuch as any full-contact fighting sport can be.

Tbh, if one has no aspirations of being a fighter, and just wants a weird samurai-themed aerobics class, there's nothing wrong with the rest. The problem is really people that are deluded into thinking that most TMAs make them into fighters. As long as you realize what you are getting into, it's no big deal.

Because they work and are widely available.

Dumbass.

If they do full-contact free sparring, they're good to go. If they don't, you aren't learning to fight. At the baseline, that's it.

krav maga is designed for highly aggressive kill or be killed situations

its not really a formal art and sparring is difficult because the attacks are violent as fuck and tend to cause injury

its not practical imo and to effectively learn it you need experience in another martial art

do judo

you're right, it's not bjj and boxing. it's bjj and muay thai

krav draws from a number of styles, it was designed by an israeli trained in a number of styles for their army in the 50's

but its designed as a hyper aggressive leave dude incapacitated immediately with no regards to long term health style, like i said in earlier post kill or be killed

to me that's impractical because training all of the techniques is then difficult and actually using what you've learned can result in legal troubles

also very mcdojo-y as you said

Waste of money, since they tend to rely on low-percentage gimmick techniques that you can't really pressure test. At the best, it will be a mediocre kickboxing gym that you probably are paying too much for.

>>Go grab another male' body like a real man
Its not gay to grab another man in a fight.
Its gay if you think about sex with him,when you touch him.

>rely on low-percentage gimmick techniques

you dont know what you're talking about

>hurr knife disarms
>durr gun disarms
>hurr kick em in the balls

How about no?

Shotokan. It's even the basis for a lot of the current top MMA fighters.

And since you are not training to become some literal MMA champion and you are probably not a 12 year old CoD kid who thinks that there is a super martial art, shotokan will please you as it intensely trains your whole body, will give you agility, speed and endurance, and will basically always keep you on your toes and keep a constant challenge as you progress.

Just make sure to find a real dojo with a lot of proper fighting and not just Kata.

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shotokan for tradition and sport
kyokushin for actual fightan
everything else is a meme

Neither muay Thai and MMA. If you've got a good gym around Sambo is also really sweet, basically a slavic more sporty but self defense oreinted full contact grappling art. At this point traditional martial arts are something you give kids as a easy intro into fighting.

muay Thai and jiu-jitsu*

>hurr every self-defense situation i encounter will be in a ring with a ref

its designed for and used by the israeli army

is effective if you have trained in other arts

and is impractical for any Jow Forumsizen, however, not ineffective

youtube.com/watch?v=DbMITmDeNCU

Shill your jew-jitsu somewhere else, charlatan

why does everyone give kata such a bad rap?

it builds muscle memory and when done in conjunction with sparring helps a ton

sparring is more important short term imo, but if you don't practice your kata long term you'll get fucked by someone who has

>Sambo
>he fell for the Slav Judo meme

Shotokan is brutal striking. Learn it and embrace it. Learn judo for their throws during close encounters. Bjj is for cucks.

>shotokan

I think you got it confused with Kyokushin

>implying im shilling
>posts some shit video from 99

i'm not saying you should practice it, im just calling you a fucking idiot for thinking krav is a gimmick

i don't and won't practice it, i have no need

doesn't mean it is ineffective

It's a nice meme though and it's better for self defense than straight up mma. Than again my slavic ancestry is probably just forcing me to genetically shill for glorious red army h2h fighting.

Okay than sell me on KM. Because you've done a shitty job.

>designed by and for the israeli army
Marketing simulacra; not connected with reality

>is effective if you have trained in other arts
So it doesn't do anything other arts don't?

So what do you got? Sell me on it.

I'm not knocking it per se. It's just as legitimate as judo.

I'm just wary of "hurr spetznaz" marketing gimmicks and paying a premium on those sorts of grounds, kinda like krav maga.

Kyokushin

Cobra Kai.

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>i think any contact between males is sexual therefore you're gay

This.

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Was lucky enough to train under international champion level talent in shotokan (the 1980s UK guys like the Brennan brothers and their contemporaries) and let me tell you everyone here is full of shit. Any style is worth learning if the instructor is a good fighter.
Look for the best instructor you can find regardless of style and you’ll learn useful shit, period. If I learn drunken master meme shit from someone who is a monster at it I’ll be a better fighter than the guy who learnt boxing from a shitter. There’s so much overlap between every fighting style anyway and when it comes to applying it in an actual fight the only things you are gonna use are the absolute basics (throwing a punch, good footwork, avoiding a punch, etc)