How effective is martial arts? Ive been wanting to pick it up for a while, I was thinking karate or kung fu

Boxing. If you're already a competent wrestler and you become proficient with your striking game you'll be very formidable. Kicking is a fucking meme, you have to be VERY good at kicking for it to be even slightly applicable. Invest that time in your hands.

a proper judo dojo, one that teaches the martial art itself and not just the sport side of it, teaches you a no gi variation of most of the techniques, not all of them can be done whitout a gi but most of them do, no gi judo is pretty much the same styles as greco-roman wrestling plus sweeps

a guy with a karate black belt (kyokushin if I remember correctly?) told me to always run away from a street fight, so my guess is not very effective against any weapons

The jacket's there so you have the widest range of possible grips to choose from. If fighting someone who is not wearing a jacket, then you should use techniques which do not require a jacket, of which there are many. For example, you can get excellent grips on a t-shirt by grabbing a handful at the armpit or grabbing the bottom seam at the opponent's back and pulling it up to meet the rear neckline so you're holding the entire back of the shirt in your hand. Things like the ability to grab the beltline or around the body for a throw also don't rely on the opponent wearing a heavy jacket.

The appeal of judo is that you learn to go from standing to throwing and finishing the fight swiftly on the ground if the throw itself doesn't do the trick. Or you can run away after the throw. It's a great approach to grappling for any situation where you aren't on a mat with a referee there to keep anything unexpected from happening.

I'd imagine that even though no-gi variations exist, the techniques were still invented for use with a gi. It's a sport-oriented martial art and that's not a bad thing, but I'm certain that effectiveness is sacrificed by the no-gi version.

In my experience (14 years tkd) the traditinalfags are vastly more pretentious and arrogant than everything you listed.

It's almost like dancing about and being told you're 2dedly makes you a faggot whereas getting your shit pushed in daoly teaches you that you dont know shit.

The gi isn't required for most throws. Outside ippon seoi nage pretty much everything can be done from a different grip. I mean i done ogoshi from a headlock while wearing 16oz gloves.

if the guy has a knife or gun no martial art will help you

If you want to get right into fighting go to an mma gym or do muay thai and bjj. Traditional martial arts aren't necessarily bad for fighting, you just have to be realistic about what works and what just looks cool. You'll get out what you put in. I did tae kwon do for 10 years, just realize you'll never pull off a 540 jump backspin on a moving target, but that explosiveness and coordination developed to do that kick will make you better at the practical kicks. My tae kwon do instructor had some gnarly fights starting out with basically just tae kwon do, BJJ, and some boxing work. His base was tkd.

Because running away in such a situation is a reasonable thing to do. You're not in a movie, no martial art will give you a 100% percent chance of winning and not getting stabbed. The approach of karate is such that it is a last resort measure.

Really, I'm sure you arguing retards never tried any actual martial arts, actual martial artists respect each other regardless of what they practice, because there's always something new to learn.

Also, for fighting with whatever you can grab, check out kobudo, the large variety of weapons allow you to use anything as a weapon once you understand the underlying mechanics.

There fun, but little to no self defense aspect.
Judo is fun, For real. and gi teaches you how to grab clothes properly. They don't need to be extra sturdy, just enough to grab. Plus many throws and sweep rely on grabing the actuall limb, neck or torso.

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There's no reason to respect people who spread bullshit dance-moves branded as fight training. TMAs can suck it.

Opposite way around actually. judo was taught with standard nip outfits and then took the gi so your clothes wouldn’t rip while practicing.

>who spread bullshit dance-moves branded as fight training

So you haven't tried actual training, as I said. Not surprising, seeing the amount of McDojos.

Also footsweeps. Those are fun

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>kicking is a meme

t. hiplet

>Only MMA is good for fighting.
>BJJ, Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, and judo. Everything else is bullshido and won't work in the real world.

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I'm not the guy you were arguing with but I spent 10 years in a traditional martial art with all the focus on "respect" for people who haven't earned it. Some arts don't deserve respect, and most traditional martial artists dont either. No amount of bowing can change that.

>Kung Fu or Karate
No
Muay Thai, boxing, kickboxing (any variant really) real dutch kickboxing, not the competition, but fighting style, easily outclasses muay thai, judo, any western wrestling form,
>inb4 BJJ
BJJ is only good one on one, in reality your very rarely going to be one on one, and you never want to be on the ground in a real fight.
Only reason judo and wrestling are good is because they are quick and terach you to take others to the ground, and if necescary get up quickly
Also concealed carry

This. When I was first got my black belt in taekwondo I though I was hot shit until one day during class my former South Korean military instructor asked me to help him demonstrate some self defense techniques. I resisted his strength at first because I was stronger than him, but then he totally fucked my shit up and destroyed my knee the second time cause he was actually trying. Going to a school that teaches you to take abuse and do real sparring with full contact is very important.

The only throw i can think of that you need a jacket to throw is morote seoi nage.
That would be a poor choice for a throw.

As usual, let's try to keep discussion informing and relevant by weeding out what's already been proven to be bullshido from the stuff that works in a fight. Serious and Good tier styles may be discussed openly. Suspect tier will face due scrutiny and vetting. Banned tier may not contribute without ridicule.

>Serious tier
Muay Thai
Judo
BJJ
Wrestling
English Boxing
Sambo

>Good tier
Kickboxing
Savate
Kyokushin karate
ITF Taekwondo

>Suspect tier
Sanda/Sanshou
Shooto
Goju-ryu karate
Arnis/Kali/Escrima

>Banned tier
Aikido
Japanese Jiu-Jitsu
Kung fu/Chuan fa
Tai Chi Chuan
Ninjustu
All other forms of krotty
WTF/ATA Tae Kwon Do
Hapkido
Kuk Sul Won
Hwa Rang Do
"""Budo"""
Daito-ryu Aiki-Jujutsu
HEMA
Kobudo
Silat
Systema
Jail House Rock
Wushu
Capoeira
MCMAP
So-called RBSD
Wing Chun/Ving Tsun
The Keysi Fighting System AKA The McPunch Method
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do
(((krav maga)))
Russian slap fighting

I’m glad you included TKD in the good tier list because as a black belt in taekwondo so many people underestimate the martial art that produced literally some of the most powerful kicks of any martial art (roundhouse, spinning hook kick, stepping side kick, etc,)

>wanted to get into a sport to cure my boredom
>father thinks I should do boxing/muay thai
>severe social anxiety is telling me "but there'll be more than 20 people there"
>mfw

How do you guys do it? Also is it good for controlling anger?

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literally just do it

anxiety is just negative thinking encouraging fear, step back from you're thoughts and decide if you really want to do this or not.

if there was less than 20 people you would come up with another reason to back out.

and no shit, its good for controlling any overwhelming emotion or fear.

I'm also not a very social person but I was surprised how easily I fit in at my judo club when I joined.
People all interested in a certain thing usually get along pretty well.

I had this before my first Muay Thai class and I went in and faced it anyway. fast forward a year and I look forward to going. give it a shot, you’ll regret not going.

What were your classes like? What type of people were there?

I'm looking at joining my new college's MMA club in January. I've been lifting for about a year now and have made some gains.

Should I continue lifting weights for now or should I switch to a routine more tuned for MMA? I know I'll need to switch when I start either way. If yes to switch pls link a routine or resource for me to use.

Ty Jow Forums :)

Mine is a uni club so its mostly 20-30 year olds, with a competitive focus.
Classes are hard but enjoyable, enough that at the end i'm satisfied with my effort but still look forward to going.

I started this year and hope to start competing in the next few months.

Do you still go to the gym, have you switched?

You taking WTF or ITF? I only had the choice of the "competion" one (Still white belt only started a month ago). Was curious if I was still learn how to actually fuck some one up.

I enjoy judo more then the gym now, so I prioritise that. 4x per week. Gym takes the remaining 2-3 days depending on what Im doing

I'm karate brown belt (shotokan) and I have muay thay, taekwondo, kung fu and kickboxing experices.
Between Karate and Kung Fu, go straight into Karate. Don't even think twice. If you think Karate is full of flashy movements, kung fu in general is way worse. Go for the tradicional shotokan gyms or kyokushin. The only problem with kypkushin is that, since punched to the head is not alowed, it has a fighting dynamic very different from MMA/no-rules fights. But the resilience and conditioning you gain is incredible.

You need to ask yourself what you're looking in a martial art. If it's fitness, then do anything. If it's discipline, do tradicional ones, if it's self-defense go for muay thai, kickboxing or boxing.

I can only think of like 3 throws that can't be done nogi

/asp/ still lives.

>shotokan

What's wrong with HEMA?

if you want actually useful skills for self-defense and such learn krav maga

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say with your post?

How often are you in full chainmail with a greatsword?

Interesting, those are basically long, medium, and short range. What kind of wrestler are you? If you're the type to shoot from across the ring you'd probably benefit from Karate, if you're more into the relentless grind you'd already know half of muay thai. Never did boxing myself but I guess it's the balanced option.

Forget these shit tier styles and learn the magical empty force style of yellow bamboo Kung fu

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>He doesn't wear full armor underneath his street clothes for passive training so that fighting for real with it off will make him feel light as a feather and invisibly fast.
It's like Dragon Ball taught you nothing.

I'll take no head punches over no contact and stopping every 3 seconds.

>falling for the 2dedly eyepoke meme
Yuki nakai is living proof an eyepoke doesn't stop a fight

YES

Hands are awesome and fast. You need more weapons, hands break. Close infighting, elbows and knees kill.

Martial arts are fitness, and growing a better mind set. Very last they are something you can pull out of your ass in defense.

Look up IDPA and KALI/eskrima

Jujitsu was for killing someone fast / Taking away their weapon to keep killing. Maybe controlling someone.
If your on the ground on purpose your stupid. Black belt or not.

Depends where you go. A good gym is all about getting better, getting more fit and having fun.

Not as often as I'd like.

Is there a good all around Martial Arts beginner routine?

If not, can someone make Starting Punches?

Yep. It's super easy. All you do is google [your area] + boxing

On this topic. I’ve seen lots of people discuss how wrestling (I’m assuming the kind involving leg based takedowns like folk and freestyle) is a great grappling martial art. Is Greco-Roman or freestyle better to learn? Which one would be more applicable to actual self-defense? My uneducated guess is freestyle due to an actual fight would probably involve someone’s legs but watching Greco-Roman just seems way more brutal when someone gets thrown.

Is world oyama basically kyokushin?

why have u described it as english boxing??

why it serious tier, just wanna kno

eddie pls go

Because he's an idiot.

you need to be taught martial arts, learning it alone wont work.

i would say freestyle is better because is a more comlete style since it includes leg takedowns and sweeps, but it depends on how you see it greco despite having the exact same techniques than freestyle minus the leg takedowns and sweeps, has more powerfull shoulder throws and splexes just like a boxer would have more powerfull punches than a muay thai fighter that despite having good punches they obviously fall behind boxing, a more specialized style will always have btter techniques than a more variated style but a more variated style will always give you more options to attack and you can still have pretty good techniques, to have truly devastating techniques you need to focus everything on those techniques, but you can also have a devastating style that uses lots of techniques, it depends on what you want and how you train, personally i like more a well ballanced and wide set of skill more than have a killer one side of the equation and suck at everything else, that's another thing, being more specialized means that you suck at everything else and having more options can mean sucking at everything or being good at everything but everyone will always be better than you at one thing.
pretentiousnes

Take BJJ it will develop your strength into a different dimension.

To learn strikes go for boxing or Muay thai

Judo can be used without the go your strength and balance will improve when I took judo classes I use to watch the Karo parysysons no go judo videos

Sanda/sanshou is pretty much just Chinese combat sambo if you study both martial arts.

There is nothing suspect about sanda/sanshou.

In America alot of sanda tournament fighters come from sambo Steve's new York sambo school

Just started BJJ for 2 months. Way more fun than lifting.

Do alot of jogging and push ups to get into MMA and fighting shape.

(((Krav maga)))

check out the mma general on they will help you.
Effective martial arts are effictive, but the ones you listed are shit and nothing more than shitty art.

This guy knows

There is nothing wrong with aikido

Because the English school of boxing is most effective in the pros right now mexican boxing is shit they teach you to stand in the pocket and take damage too land a few hard blows

Unless you wanna actually be able to fight

most throws have a grip variation that doesn't require a gi. Not sure what you're on about.

Sanshou is very suspect because with the exception of Cung Le every sanshou fighter I've seen in a legit MMA or Kickboxing promotion has gotten their shit rocked.

Greco. The focus on clinch work and effective throwing will make you a beast and it's easy to transition into leg-based takedowns later. Harder to go the other way tho

Some crackhead tried to mug me when I was walking home from practice. I whacked him in the head with my poly longsword, called him a nigger, and ran away. T'was an honour to embattle a common street urchin, m'sir.

lots of sprawls, footwork and shadow boxing for cardio.
yoga is good as well

BJJ exercises are mostly done with a partner

>everything you do must be for becoming as edgy the hedgehog street lethal as possible

I like swinging swords, fuck off. HEMA is the best at what it's for.

Kung Fu is a joke. Karate is good, but it needs to be mixed wwith muay Thai and BJJ to be effective. The reality of low kicks, the clinch, and mount cannot be denied

>calls someone edgy while playing with swords and larping as a knight
I do think HEMA is fun, but it’s not a fighting style and that’s what the list is for.

Thanks fellas. The reason I ask is my local wrestling center offers both and even though I've heard freestyle is probably more practical my interest has been more towards Greco. I can't explain why but it just looks fucking awesome. I think I'll take some Greco classes.

>Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do

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Any late bloomer started learning martial arts at 25+? Once I reach my goal weight I'm thinking of enrolling in something, but I don't know if I'll ever catch up to the youngins

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I'm the guy talking about greco earlier in the bread and I'm going on 24. The club I'm going to says they accept any age group so we will see. I'm curious if there will be anyone for me to match against who has a similar skill level (absolutely none) age and weight (220 at 6'2"). I expect I'm gonna spend a lot of time getting my ass kicked.

A new guy at my restaurant job found out I do muay thai. He gave me shit for picking muay thai over boxing, because "punches get the most KOs in MMA". Usually I don't care about shit flinging contests because I'm still learning and I've only been doing this for ~18 months, so I'm not even that good. He said he wanted to spar against me, and he's been boxing for a bit over 2 years. To "prove" his point, I could use all my weapons while he would just use his hands. I didn't want to spar him, but I agreed just for the chance of shutting him up. He's kind of a douche desu.

We are going to spar this Friday after work. Full gear, like headgear, gloves, elbow pads and shin pads for me. Bit of a size mismatch, he's 6'1", ~170 lbs. I'm 5'10", 155 lbs.

I respect boxing and the technicality of it, but what are my best ways of shutting him down? I know I won't have good hands compared to him, but do I blast low kicks over and over? Clinch as soon as he gets close and knee the shit out of him? I struggle with pressure fighters the most, and I'm guessing he'll be wanting to do that.

Most martial arts are effective if you use them right, just find a place that isn't a mcdojo

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Also push kicks

Karate is a nice starter if sparring is part of the regular training. Personally I'll recommend you to for Judo if you're a heavy lifter, Boxing, Kyokushin or MT if you're an athletic type.

Your gains be blessed and remember, if sparring (or competition of some kind) is not part of the habitual training you're in a McDojo...

leg kick him to death.

user, muai thai makes you tough but it's kind of a shit as fuck self defense system and all of those tools are poorly used.