PPL split VS Linear begginner program

Goal is to look like I lift, what chose, and why?

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Why do girls pretend to like music?

Here’s what you should do if you want to do it right from the start and not have to take steps backwards later down the line

1. So Starting Strength or Strong Lifts until Intermediate lifts (use Strength Symmetry to find your 5RM intermediate lifts for your current bodyweight)
2. Switch to Texas Method or Madcows (this is SS or SL for intermediate lifters)
3. Once you finish Texas Method or Madcows you will be a 99% percentile lifter and you can now run PPL

Or you can not listen to me and just start with PPL and never make any progress and restart the process again when you’ve matured enough to do it right from the start.

idk why but made me kek

they do like music, they are just less likely to be autistic about it

This honestly.

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is greyskull lp/gzcl a good alternative to trexmode:theprogramm?

I agree with but you can also add in some extra upper body work, specifically pull-ups, curls, and dips. Also get the Texas method ebook by Justin and you’ll be able to progress a lot longer

Just add some fucking curls/skullcrushers at the end of SS/SL, you won't become a t-rex unless you eat like shit.

It's worse than that

>be me
>16
>meeting gf with my best friend and her best friend
>gf shows up wearing Guns N' Roses vest top
>get excited
>"Holy shit you're into Guns N' Roses?"
>"What's that?"
>"The band... On your top..."
>"Oh... I don't know who they are I just liked how the vest top looked"
>my friend literally laughes in my face as he watches me die inside

I lost a big chunk respect for thots that day. Learned my lesson.

Nice trips.
I’m willing to put money on that girl knowing next to fuck all about iron maiden

To be frank, they sell those Appetite tops (and a few other meme band shirts like Joy Division, Ramones, and the Rolling Stones) in regular non-merch clothing stores as if they’re just shirts.
My mom once bought herself a Thundercats (which she had never heard of) shirt because she thought the logo was cool and there was no text on it indicating what it was.

i fucking hate women
no homo though

OP, you don't have to do SS

Just know that every guy you see in the gym, and most likely every guy you see everywhere else that looks better than you, have never done SS in their life.

SS is a shitty meme that everyone here swears by because they fell for it themselves

>no homo
sure thing buddy

listen to this guy OP. He is telling the truth. Everyone here is trolling except this guy. It's legit that everyone has decided to troll people with the "SS" meme. Because how to troll people better then to let them lift heavy ass weights for a couple of months?

i specifically typed no homo you fucking faggot

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Which of these programs will fix my small calves?

this op
strength training is just a meme
do a bro split with 8 reps on every lift ever
never raise the weight because that's what my lifting bros told me
i solely swear by this advice
also arnie was a faggot for doing a strength orientated routine
he would have looked way better if he benched 1 plate for the whole of his lifting career

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SS is not a meme, but it's true that a low percent of guys do it at gym regularly as a starting program.
I would say it's a good base for focusing in streght at start.
But if OP wants to go for good aesthetics then switching to PPL like this bro () is telling, is the best idea.
Peace

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Why are you defending yourself this hard buddy? Could it be true that you're a little bit homo?

if i was homo why would i write no homo
think a little before you speak friend

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The fact that you are arguing with me about being a homo makes you homo, faggot

again
why would i type no homo if i am a homo
activate those almonds and think a little m8

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PPL is a crap program

Not enough of anything to produce past noob gains.
between the fasting, SS and PPL shills, I feel half of this board is trolls trying to see that nobody succeeds.

Best advice ever.

If you plan going down the natty road, any routine that has you doing heavy compounds to add weight to the bar will work wonders.

One thing a lot of guys forget is that the most successful BBers, Mr Olympia/Universe winners etc, are not only aestheticly pleasing, but also very very strong, and started off benching, pressing, deadlifting and squatting heavy.
P.S. If you actually read the damn SS book, you can program in chins/curls/crushers/dips, hell he even added a form section for the movements (lots of people will deny this - because they haven't read the book, but Rip has a section on how to perform these movements correctly, and where and why a trainee could add them). The cookie cutter posted online everywhere is only a base template.

You won't look like a T-Rex.

Pic related - Arnie did Reg Parks 5x5 as his first mass building program, which can be found via a quick search.

SS is not a meme, unless you think looking like a skinny calvin klein model is aestheticly pleasing. 70s big all the way.

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why do autists assume that everone who wears a band clothes do it because they either listen to the band or because they want people to believe they do?
not all band clothes are sold at concerts, a lot of stuff are sold in regular stores; so it could be pretty easy for someone to buy a band t-shirt without realising it, especially when it's bands who started out 10+ years ago
also:
why do old wornout band t-shirts always looks so much better than when they are new?

>buy a band t-shirt without realising
so you're saying that roasties are incapable of rational thought?
i agree friendo

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do you know the name and logo of every single band in the world?
would a cool looking band t-shirt stop you from buying it, simply because you don't listen to the band?
i feel like you are just being a tryhard

>do you know the name and logo of every single band in the world?
no but i can recognize band shirts you fucking retard
especially mainstream bands like rolling stones/acdc/guns and roses that everyone with room temperature IQ knows
>would a cool looking band t-shirt stop you from buying it, simply because you don't listen to the band?
of course you stupid cunt
would you wear a t shirt with that one fat bitch that did that song about how being fat is great or whatever
>i feel like you are just being a tryhard
no i'm just not a retarded woman
also show bob and vagene pls
if you're in europe let me fuck you as well
please respond

>Got 1.2/2/3.5/4 on SS GOMAD after 6 months
>Fasted and got rid of a lot of the extra fat and kept my gains
You're right about the PPL, but I owe my gains to Jow Forums

fucking hell, who beat him?

goddamn megan sage is cute as fuck

PPL is good for bodybuilding because of its volume (number of exercises/sets per muscle group) without a huge focus on legs (I assume you don't care too much about legs. But make sure you're adding weight to your exercises PPL or not.

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i got slow gains on ppl tbqh famalam
i think that the volume is way to much for the average natty
6 days a week is way too much
i switched to 5/3/1 (when i reached intermediate) and am getting better gains with half the time in the gym

>would you wear a t shirt with that one fat bitch that did that song about how being fat is great or whatever
no, because that's a person i specifically dont want to associate with
i'd wear a rolling stones shirt despite not listening to them, though

Not every band shirt looks like a band shirt.
Those Ramones shirts filled with text are unforgivable shit, though.

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>i'd wear a rolling stones shirt despite not listening to them, though
that's because you know at least at a shallow level that the rolling stones aren't made up of fat fuckers that sang about how great being fat is
if you didn't know that the band guns n roses existed how would you know that their t shirts don't represent being a fatass or killing whales or dolphins or something
dumb fucking roastie
send bob and veagen though

honestly wearing anything other than a plain color t shirt is retard behavior

this

gzclp has high rep low sets and lowreps high for the same exercice, can trigger good muscle mass tb.h f.am

I love how SS gets such a good rap but yet there is no literature that shows this is the most optimal style of training. In fact recent studies show that by volume per week a bro split done properly is better for lean mass growth than any other varient

>or just start PPL and never make any progress

eat shit faggot, routine doesnt matter

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Did you even read the post you replied to?
He's not saying to switch to PPL if you want "good aesthetics".
Stop posting if you can't read.

What do you guys think about the Bigger, leaner stronger program by Michael matthews?

impressive progress, did you do ppl?

brainlet detected
starting strength is a STRENGTH program for people STARTING
it's a strength routine for beginners and not designed to be "the most optimal style of training" for lean mass growth as you said
it's promoted because it does what it sets out to do extremely well (if you haven't realized yet, it sets out to make people stronger in a short amount of time)

yes thats what im saying, have never done anything else.
This is 2 years in

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you got more results in 6month than me in more than one year, i assume you were eating at a surplus without failing?

something tells me you're a manlet

sucks
chest/tris, back/bis, legs/shoulders but only 3 days a week? only working out muscles once a week is bad and a very slow way to progress

Link the recent studies

the first year i obviously didnt bulk hard. I think i always ate at maintenance.
Then i bulked with no end after that, and 2nd year pic is the result (with a minor cut to get rid of the ugly fat).

5'11"

you should measure yourself
i guarantee you're shorter than that
my gut has never been wrong on this lad

Yeah. Dark side of the moon, my friend, dark side of the moon.

>"I love brain damage / eclipse"
>confused_animegirl.jpg
>"nvm"

But there is a 5 - day split as well 0.o

Could be that he is not a manlet. Definitely not natty though lol check them poppin delts

I dont get the PPL hate here, where is it coming from ?
it is pretty obvious that it is dumb to start any routine that includes lifting 6 days a week especially if you have no athletic background
also, you can to pxpxlxx, hit all the muscle gropus every 7 days and when the noob gains go away add more volume, what is the problem here ?
is it the fact that no one is willing to put in any hard work and wants to be jacked in like few months ?

So nobody going to comment on the black guy in OPs pic, all of those chicks got BLACKED that night

To inspire men to get good at making their own music and becoming high status

he's natty you nigger

There is a 5 days/week version on his book.

b8

I stopped being natty 2 months after this picture was taken. But up until my 2 year mark i was natty. I also never ate meat since 4 years ago

Who gives a fuck? Thots do a lot of stupid shit.

i'm not baiting measure yourself

How much calories were you eating?

ss already has chinups :)

everything that is discussed here is horse shit.
ROUTINE DOESNT MATTER.
The SINGLE most thing that makes up 70% of your gains is the intensity of your workout. How hard you rape your muscles during the workout. Thats all you fucking need. I was a fucking vegan on 80-100g of proteins per day and get called out for steroids everywhere i go + SHIT GENETICS.
And if you want to be asthetic, you just need to do every fucking exercise that you can think of.

>but bro DB press is so much better than BB
stfu, do both
>but bro skullcrushers are so much better than cable pulldowns
stfu you fucking virgin, do both
>but bro sqauts are so much more effective than leg press
again, stfu. Do both.
>but bro, deadlifts are so much better than rowing machines
kill yourself

>where and why a trainee could add them

does he? i know he talks about them but he never tells you how to program them, no?

i think in 23 years i can be certain what my height is faggot, expspecially when i stopped growing 5 years ago and have been measured 10x times over since then

i have no idea. I never counted them in the past. I always eat the same thing everyday, so when i add or remove something, i know wether i start losing or gaining weight beforehand.

Currently eating 2800-3000 calories. I think thats my maintenance.

what is the 5 day version then?

FUCKING THIS!

Basically i read SS and Practical programming for strength training. The first cover the lifting technique and other basic stuff and is good during your LINEAR progression.
The second tells you what to do when your linearity stops.
I can tell you that the number reported in practical programming for strength training, which tells where the average person will plateau on the linear progression, are a GOOD hint. So, get "practical programming for strength training", find where you will be and intermediate lifter. After that point your linear progression will very likelly stop, and you will have to use a progression treaining (like the texas method).

I was particularly stubborn and kept squatting 3x5 3 times a week at PR till 142Kg. It took me exactly 6 months. Then i decided it was time to stop wasting my life and start a periodization.

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SS/SL/GSLP/GZCLP is all the same, basically, and is what you should do as a novice.

The basic rule is:

* 3-5 months
* 3-5 days a week
* 3-5 exercises
* 3-5 sets
* 3-5 reps

Deadlift, Squat, Bench, OHP.

Add chinups, rows, curls and tri's whenever you want.

Add weight every workout until you can't.

Watch every single form video on youtube.'

Film and review every single set and rep.

TM is horrible though. Don't do that shit.

DAY 1
CHEST & CALVES
Incline Barbell Bench Press – Warm-up sets and then 3 working sets
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press – 3 working sets
Flat Barbell Bench Press – 3 working sets
Optional: Dip (Chest Variation) – 3 working sets (weighted if possible)
Calf Workout A
If you can’t do dips, find out whether your gym has an assisted dip machine. If it
doesn’t and you still want to do 3 more sets in your workout, you can do 3 sets of
flat dumbbell presses.
DAY 2
BACK & ABS
Barbell Deadlift – Warm-up sets and then 3 working sets
Barbell Row – 3 working sets
Wide-Grip Pull-Up or Chin-Up – 3 working sets (weighted if possible)
Optional: Close-Grip Lat Pulldown – 3 working sets
Optional: Barbell Shrugs – 2 working sets
3 to 6 ab circuits
If you have lower-back issues, remember that you can swap the deadlift for a
more lower-back-friendly variation like the sumo or hex deadlift, or you can drop it
altogether and choose another “approved” exercise like the T-bar row.
DAY 3
SHOULDERS & CALVES
Seated or Standing Barbell Military Press – Warm-up sets and then 3 working sets
Side Lateral Raise – 3 working sets
Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise – 3 working sets
Calf Workout B
DAY 4
UPPER BODY & ABS
Incline Barbell Bench Press – Warm-up sets and then 3 sets of 8 to 10 reps per set
Barbell Curl – Warm-up sets and then 3 working sets
Close-Grip Bench Press – 3 working sets (no need to warm up after the chest
pressing)
Alternating Dumbbell Curl – 3 working sets
Seated Triceps Press – 3 working sets
3 to 6 ab circuits
DAY 5
LEGS AND SHOULDERS
Barbell Squat – Warm-up sets and then 3 working sets
Leg Press – 3 working sets
Romanian Deadlift – 3 working sets
Side Lateral Raise – 3 working sets in the 8 to 10 rep range
Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise – 3 working sets in the 8 to 10 rep range
Calf Workout C

I'd rather do PPL over this since it'd be more frequency basically everything.
This program has legs once a week, back once a week, shoulders once a week (I mean exercises directly targeting these things).

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Fucking this.
Every guy that looks shredded and chaddish just increases the reps and never changes his lifting weight. At most they increase the weight and reduce the inches it travels. Don't fall for the SS meme, you don't have to be strong, just look good frontally, and with the proper lighting, and pretending to be strong.
Nobody can squat more than 100Kg, and nobody can definitely deadlift more than 140Kg.
If anybody tells you that with SS he was didlying 180Kg in 26 weeks, he is telling you a big fucking chimp-shit.
Just do calisthenics, or even better, do 100 pushups a day for 28.4 days.

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XD upboated

Focuses on Heavy compound, Bench Press 2 times a week, Deadlift 1 time, OHP 1 time and Squats 1 time

Also includes Chest Dips and Pull ups, everything else is Isolation basically

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You must be fun at reddit meet ups.

>why do autists assume that everone who wears a band clothes do it because they either listen to the band or because they want people to believe they do?

Are you asking why you would choose to advertise something you don't know? I'll never understand how people can do that, and it's not even autism. Putting on clothes with a particular symbol/phrase/logo/whatever is basically endorsing it...how could you do that with something you have no idea about? It's like putting on a shirt while walking around in France with a paragraph in french on the front of it, and you don't know what it says. It could say "I love Paris' or it could say 'Please rob me I am a gullible tourist' for all you know

Its not about knowing everything, its about asking even one relevant question about what you're buying. But girls are allowed to be stupid for whatever reason.

only a stupid bitch would not understand the beauty of this song

youtube.com/watch?v=jdV3qoDRfm8

People wear things because they look good to them.
Do you not wear/use anything by any major brands that support child labor/terrible working conditions/environmental damage etc.?
Most people don't care and don't think about these things this deeply.

>tfw my one itis listen to negro/sandnigger french pop music

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Cette go m'a tuééééééé

quelle connasse putain, j'arrive pas a l'oublier malgres que ce soit une grosse connasse, cette conasse

What's so special about her then?

There's a difference between endorsing every little minutia about how a company does business, and even knowing what the company or logo is.

I'm sure most people with a huge NIKE swoosh on their shirt, when pressed, could tell you 'This is NIKE, it is a sports performance brand'

Just seems bizarre to emblazon something on yourself without even knowing what it is

first love dude, first vagina, first everything