Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do...

Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do, Jow Forums will usually respond with either Starting Strength or Stronglifts and order them to eat a lot.

A few months will pass and the beginner have stalled and is confused with why he’s not gaining any muscle despite putting so much weight on the bar.

They say he should stick with the program, read the book, get a lot of sleep and eat even more food and not to switch programs unless he’s reached “intermediate” lifts 1/2/3/4.

The beginner sticks with it and runs it for 1 year, while making very little progress.

Here is where the problem actually lays: Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle.

Groups on the internet, such as the SS shills, have probably left untold amounts of guys disappointed with how they've looked after 3-12 months.

Meanwhile, the "bro" who goes to the gym and does curls, bench, shoulders and a few chin-ups and leg presses totally blows the SS "student" out of the water, getting bigger arms, shoulders, pecs and upper back.

honestly, if you are a 'skinny' teenager all you need is 5-10lbs of muscle to get the body girls want. rather than pissing about with 'foundational lifts' why not do some curls, get a good body, and see if you like lifting enough to take it more 'seriously?'

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Okay, 5x5 is bad. How many sets I should do?

do an actual good routine
greg nuckols has alot of beginner routines
im a fan of his approach of low volume high intensity high frequency full body workouts

12X3

But a year after that, the SS guy switching to hyperthrophy absolutely destroys the twink fuckboy who will have stalled and is still doing his 3x12 dumbell bench with 18 kg in each hand. He will also be stronger, more efficient in recruiting muscle and will forever be making more and easier gains than the guy trying to do hyperthrophy with dyel weights.

But a year after that, the SS guy switching to hyperthrophy absolutely destroys the twink fuckboy who will have stalled and is still doing his 3x12 dumbell bench with 18 kg in each hand. He will also be stronger, more efficient in recruiting muscle and will forever be making more and easier gains than the guy trying to do hyperthrophy with dyel weights.

there's literally zero hard evidence for this and tonnes of annecdotal cases saying otherwise. at best, if you do SS 'perfectly' and don't end up fat as fuck or imbalanced (unusual) you'll roughly draw with the hypertrophy bro. SS isn't some super magic sekret routine that grants you superphysiological gains.

Fierce five

>why not do some curls, get a good body, and see if you like lifting enough to take it more 'seriously?'
Because we're men. We don't consider if what we want is right or not. We assume it is right, chase it 100%, and adjust as needed.

Jokes on you, I'm already a fat bastard. The 5 compounds give me nothing but strength gains beyond imagining. Still losing weight too.

You might only be pretending to be stupid - because seeing (you) is as close popularity as you’ve ever been... sigh, oh well.

You can’t “stall” on a program like stronglifts. That would mean you can’t add 2.5pounds to your squat. OR that you couldn’t add one more rep to your sets. OR that you could not decrease your rest time by 30 seconds.

I worked my deadlift up to 315 by adding reps from 5 until I got to 7. Then I’d go back to 5 with 2.5 added pounds and repeat. Only once could I not hit 7 - so I worked my rest time down 15 second per week until I was at 2m between sets in route to my working weight. Then I up’d it to 330 - and suddenly I could do 7 reps. I did 7 reps another week, then dropped back to 5 with 2.5 more pounds.

You don’t give up. You push. I went from 175 to 315 in about 18 (weighing 150). I am proud of that. I didn’t gain much weight in the process either - maybe 15 pounds. Now I’m on the road to 405.

Don’t quit.

His point is gaining muscle mass, not increasing actual weight goals

> thread about aesthetics
> hurr well i lifted more stuff
> no actual content about the changes in physique, lean mussels gained, or mires

PPL faggot. get your big compounds outta the way (usually 1 or 2 of em a day) then do some isolations

*snap*
I'm going to need sub folders for organizing cringe soon

I'm not doing 5x5 because I want to pick up thots. It's because I'm a fat shithead that hates how weak I am and how it limits my opportunities later in life. I want to be confident in my ability to do things myself, to hike a mountain or run with my dog again.

>Hey guys, I don't understand masculinity
It's OK. We're here for you.

I was that guy that OP talked about who completely disregarded compound shit and focused on iso.

You're right that I built muscle mass quick and looked good, but I also hit a ceiling within two years and none of my weights moved at all. I recently had to stop for a month long trip and all my physique disappeared instantly. Now I'm getting back into the gym and trying the starting strength meme, and I'm liking it a lot. It seems the problem with starting strength is that it's so radically disinterested in aesthetics or workout leeway. For somebody like me who's just been muddling around and is looking for actual improvement, starting strength is great because it gives me a new routine that reliably produces results. However, I also know enough about lifting that I can add isolation lifts like curls for aesthetics without being overwhelmed. Also, all of SS is based around complex lifts that a beginner will likely fuck up because of atrocious form.

Of course, I haven't been doing it very long. If I see absolutely zero aesthetic progress I might give it up.

Tl:dr: isolation fuckery does produce better aesthetic results in the short term but SS can do the same if you know what you're doing, but with the added benefit of strengthening yourself. It is also not a great starting point for newfags who would probably be better served just being told to aim at a muscle group instead of given a pamphlet.

i am that skinny teenager. how long would it take to get that body with the right routine?

Like 6 months, that dude is small as shit

How do I achieve this mode?

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why not just do ppl? heavy compound movement first, then accessory exercises based off of whatever compound you did that day. You'll get strong and aesthetic at the same time.

Ppl?

Be born female.

this is the most retarded post i have ever seen in 8 years of lifting and browsing Jow Forums

you really outdid yourself holy shit

"just don't stall", pissening programming methodology, absolutely revolting you should coach IPF lifters with your revolutionary knowledge of "just push it bro"

you're experiencing novice gains and have no idea what stalling actually is but i eagerly look forward to you slamming headlong into a plateau and quitting once making gains actually takes a little effort and grind

have long limbs and starve yourself
push/pull/legs

the key is volume
it doesnt fucking matter if you do "strength" or "hypertrophy"

just double or triple the volume of either program and you get it

I do a 5x5 or typical PPL and I'm not really tired at the end of an hour. Maybe a little bit, but then 15 minutes later I can do it all over again. And thats what you should do.

Think of each routine as an interval, and do 2-3x of them in a day.

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>what is CNS activation and muscle fiber recruitment

I don't know why everyone always shits SS/SL. Oh wait, I do. It's usually because they don't bother to read the full documentation. SS/SL are NOT for aesthetics or hypertrophy. This is like bitching your TV doesn't make you a sandwich. It was never meant to do that in the first place.

SS/SL is the very first introductory step into powerlifting. Even at the end of the program, you won't be at a competitive level, but you'll have a good foundation of strength and technique and then you move on to a different intermediate program.

My personal success story (yeah, yeah anecdotal, shut up) of one year of SL - which I know is a hell of a lot longer than you're supposed to be on it - and GOMAD in the last 3 months:

Squats: 80kg to 195kg
Deadlift: 100kg 210kg
Bench press: 90kg to 150kg
OHP: 60kg to 100kg

I've since moved on from SL, but I'll always be grateful for the major gains I got in that first year of lifting.

Yeah, I do push/pull/legs. Also called a bro split I think? Exactly how you described it. The best of both worlds imo.

so most people seem to be concerned with their upper body growing enough on SS, but the meme is that your legs will get disproportionately large. Is this true? My legs are very underdeveloped and I want to switch to SS for a while to grow them a bit

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If your CNS is deactivated, you're going to have a bad time

post body then

i do madcow 5x5 and am entirely exhausted, sometimes to the point of nausea, for the rest of the day

you mean like OP's CNS?

[spoiler]did i mean to say CNS adaptation?

What the fuck? Are you retarded?

You aren't lifting enough during your 5x5. The point is to lift as heavy as you can, progressive overload, etc. You should be fucking tired and struggle as you get heavier and heavier.

yea I can do the 5x5 and sometimes I dont even get 5 on the last set for all exercises
and you feel tired after

but like 15-30 minutes later you can start it all over

>100kg OHP

How's the juice taste?

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100% bullshit post, everything is made up

you did not bench 150kg and ohp 100kg on a novice linear progression routine

nigger you've been lifting for 2 years obviously switch things up

i'm just talking about the majority of noob lifters who want to look good

How many compounds per day on a 3 day/week full body routine? Set/rep scheme on those compounds?

great i'm sure girls will love seeing my 'CNS activation' over actual gains lmao

> 100kg OHP

do SS fags even lift?

Where do I find the beginner routines ?

Mmmm, I like your salty tears.

What the fuck do I gain by lying on a goddamn anonymous message board?

SL worked for me. End of fucking story.

Wouldn't know. Never touched the shit.

I agree with you that noob lifters don't need SS. My point is that gains gotten through isolation fuckery hit a ceiling early and disappear quickly

So just do a strength program with the big lifts that takes an hour, and then do an hour or two of curls, dips, chins, calves, whatever, after it. In other words, do the program properly, with accessories.

I just started and this guy specifically says not to alter the routine besides 3x8 of whatever arm exercise in the last day.
Will adding isolation exercises really fuck up the program?

I've been doing okay with 4x8 for compounds and 3x12 for accessories

no, if done properly (ie not maximum intensity causing fatigue and joint issues) theyll help you

Most skinny teens dont need Jow Forums its skinny-fats to fat kids who need it and ss can help them understand what being strong means in way less time than years of self-doubt and brosplits can.