Why do people obsess over 'strength lifting' routines if they ultimately are aiming for aesthetics?

His arms look fine, he's just letting them hang limply is all. Also he has a very thicc core that just makes the arms surrounding it look smaller in comparison.

There was never a consesus though. Jow Forums has always been telling people to do either SS/SL or PPL/bro split.

>5 day brosplit won't do jack shit for you, especially as a beginner, or basically anyone not on juice.

????????
Quit pulling shit out of your ass
Been on a 7 day bro-split (yeah not 5 day, but still) for 3 months, went from benching 95x8 to benching 165x8.

As long as you actually fucking push yourself in the gym, and eat enough, you WILL get stronger.

>he thinks Jow Forums = what people actually do
90% of people do totally ineffective low weight low volume workouts which are neither SS or PPL.

Jow Forums tells people to do SS because no one can actually be fucked explaining or giving you a good program because the best ones require you to actually know what you are doing.

Because most people post about wanting to get stronger, not get ripped.

look at the babby dyel trying to act like he knows what he's talking about.

"ripped" just means losing bodyfat, retard.

> Every beginner regardless of goals should be doing something along those lines to start off. You switch over to something like PPL once you've gone through the beginner phase. 5 day brosplit won't do jack shit for you, especially as a beginner, or basically anyone not on juice. The natty guys who lift for years and still look DYEL as fuck? They did brosplits the entire time.

> ....brosplits won't....make you bigger..unless you do SS first...then after that brosplits are the best routine

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>not understand the amount of muscle mass is directly related to how strong you are as a natural lifter
>not understanding that aesthetics are largely determined by your muscle insertions, bone structure and how lean you are
Pretty sure this is bait but either way I hope your grandma gets cancer

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say what you want but you specifically said "especially as a beginner", and I provided numerical evidence against that

5'10 130lb skelly starting, 144 lb now. I know im not very strong but i've absolutely seen results.

>That guy who still thinks that you need to choose looks or strength

Wew lad

Wtf
Nigga you in the wrong thread
>wahhhhh someone looks better than me because I’m a fat SS slob

>numerical evidence
>gives anectdote that he could have just made up and doesn't even prove his point
ffs I'm not even the guy you're responding to but just because your bench went from 95>166 doesn't mean your program was good, doesn't mean you'll have long term progress and certainly doesnt you look good or wouldn't have made the same progress on another program

he's obviously focusing all his efforts on his pecs, abs, a low carb diet and tons of cardio to keep himself lean.
he doesn't look like he does any compunds or any heavy routine for that matter.
so yeah, if you follow that type of routine your arms will look like shit. just keep in mind that for normies standards he looks amazing and "big"

That’s my point you fucking dipshit. Kys

you gain far more muscle on SS than a brosplit as a beginner. the reason for that is that you add way more weight to your lifts on SS, which combined with eating enough will make you grow quickly. brosplits are always too slow and unfocused for a beginner to get optimal gains

>> ....brosplits won't....make you bigger..unless you do SS first...then after that brosplits are the best routine
who are you quoting? You shouldn't be doing brosplits period. That shit only works for juicers.

Because powerlifting is popular on the internet at the moment.

The collective internet fitness persona is an autistic loner who can only see in black and white, so the only valid goal is getting 3 arbitrary lift numbers up so you can brag about it online.

I've kind of found the opposite to be true. I notice that short, less good looking people tend to train for aesthetics to try and balance out their unfortunate starting point, and people who look good already tend to prioritize strength because they're already attractive.

Is this a brosplit?

Mon- Chest/Shoulders
Tue- Back/Core
Wed- Bi/Tri/Forearm
Thu- Legs/Core
Fri- Chest/Shoulders
Sat- Back/Bi
Sun- Cardio/Core

As a beginner you need to be doing the main compounds frequently, not doing a bunch of bullshit variations of different body parts but only once weekly per.

Yes, you have some gains. But your gains are suboptimal and you'll plateau hard. And then you'll be like all the other DYELs around here. Just look at the recent benchpress stat thread and all the absolute DYELS everywhere with their 165s and 185s and 205s for bench. These are the same retards as you, and they're the people who adamantly claim that it takes like 1-2 years or some nonsense to rep out lmao2plate.

ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing
at least switch over to PPL if you're going to be like that.

Its not like you can't have one without the other. Getting stronger is a great way to get bigger. Say you get your squat 1RM up to 405, you can probably bust out 315 for 3x8-10 which is gonna have a bigger impact on your muscle mass than doing 225 for the same reps.

The reverse is true as well, high volume training will improve your strength because more muscle can move more weight. Both fuel each other and there's no reason you can't train for strength and aesthetics simultaneously.

>absolute DYELS everywhere with their 165s and 185s and 205s for bench
:( I do 4x5 170 and this made me feel bad
Not him btw

but you do more lifts on a brosplit. the total volume is probably higher on a 3x12 brosplit than a 3x5 'heavy' routine, and it goes w/o saying that a brosplit doesn't focus 75 percent on lower body

you guys just say stuff with zero evidence behind it

Those are beginner programs you dumbass

yes but they are clearly labeled 'strength lifting' beginner programmes and are conisdered distinct from aesthetics/normie beginner programmes you absolute brainlet

>It's "more reps less weight" debate all over again

Just fuck off Jesus Christ you people remind me of those atheist fucks who never shut the fuck up and think they're always right about everything

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If you don't do strength lifting during your first few months you won't be able to lift anything later on you dumb fuck are you too retarded to understand this?

Because everyone should get a solid strength foundation before moving on toward more specialized things.

Jesus fucking christ I can't believe mouthbreathers like you actually browse Jow Forums. Get the fuck out and just go back to looking at your shitty bodybuilding magazines for advice.

you two are being completely unfair

some retard up in the thread said that you will get NO GAINS if you do a brosplit w/o being on roids. then this guy noted that he has made impressive gains (doubled in strength, gained 14lbs) as a newb on a brosplit.

suddenly a load of other (same?) people arrived to tell him that actually he was a faggot anyway

SStards are cultist tier

strengh with purpose has always the better aesthetics

Please quote the part where I said "no gains". You're just taking refuge in autistic pedantry at this point. You can wiggle your arms around and make some strength gains early on, but your foundation will be garbage and you'll be stuck in DYEL land for a long long time.

His "impressive gains" are shit and I'd love to see this guy come back in an entire fucking year still not even at lmao2plate. Because that's exactly where he'll be on his memesplit

meant to reply to

if you don't train your 1rep max every week you won't be able to lift anything later on you dumb fuck how are you too retarded to understand this

quit fucking around with 5 reps per set like a beta and start doing 1 rep per session - that way you'll REALLY increase your strength

he was responding to another poster (who has the same retarded unesscarily abusive manner as you) > 47032465. its not pedantic to point out that's a retarded claim by demonstrating 14lbs gained and BP doubled. stop having a tantrum bc someone actually disagreed with you about a fucking lifting routine lmao

memesplit guy here, talk trash about my progress all you want but im pretty proud, i dropped lmao1pl8 on myself at least 10 times through these past few months

now im completely comfortable throwing on 1pl8 and then some, without fear of losing it
Again, i'm not trying to argue bro splits are the best there ever was

My original point was simply that if you really push yourself for at least an hour every day, and eat/sleep enough, you will definitely see progress. Especially **as a beginner**

If i go 2-3 weeks without increasing my BP, maybe I switch to PPL, but so far that hasn't happened

why would you create your own routine when there are dozens out there that has been proven to work

Same here. I'm dyel but 7 weeks of brosplitting and I've increased my strength by 21%

Honestly I just asked my friend what he does

No homo his body is my dream body, and he benches 3pl8, decided I would just follow his routine 100%

he made a few videos on youtube where he documented his workouts over a week and from what i can remember he did plenty of compound lifts. he was also lifting reasonably heavy, especially by normie standards

Have you considered the fact that your friend is a roider?

Would you happen to be the small brown guy i see in my gym with the roider that pushes almost 4pl8 bench for two reps?

Good. Don't get "ppl" advice from these autists. Go look at the skellys in cbt.. thats who is giving you advice on these boards

That's 2 months to take your 1 plate bench up 25 pounds. That's pretty horrendous for noob gains

Fell for the SS meme tbqh

Been doing ppl for 5 months without any strength program before. Run into a friend, who's been bodybuilding for years, at the gym. He was very impressed of my gains and even joked if I've been frauding. My numbers aren't even worth saying mostly and body dismorphia plays it's role, but him being impressed really felt like a reality check for me. So I'm always going to suggest aesthetic oriented programs to new lifters.
Other thing is who really cares about strength that much. You'll gain decent amount of strength doing a split anyways.

Yeah think he was doing 100kg ohp for 6 reps

He might be, though I dont think he is (obviously he could just never tell me)
Guy has been lifting for a few years, and always been the big one of the group

We're both white, and I dont work out with him because of different schedules, I do take his routine and diet advice though

Considering natty lifter, how come a 6 day brosplit which targets each muscle once a week is superior to PPL which has twice as much frequency?
Is frequency for people not in gear a meme or not?

Rest and recover. People telling you to work out five times a week work for the first part of your lifting career, but if you really wanna make it you gotta think of lifting like a marathon and not a sprint.
Three times a week, lift heavy with good form, and the gains will come. People rushing and trying to go as hard as they can on 1RMs is THE #1 ticket salesman to snap city.