/fast/ #240 Mark of Cain Edition

Leg cramps aren't indicative of ketosis, but more indicative of a lack of magnesium and possibly zinc.

I use the keto mojo for measuring blood sugar and ketone levels (bought because my buddy bought into the keto craze and was having some success but I wanted to show him that fasting or even OMAD keto would be even more beneficial and I'm a physicist so the best comparison would be to use the exact same model measurement device).

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I also bought some keto stix to compare with the blood keton readings. I bought the below brand because the other brand I was going to buy was on back order and these would arrive the same day as the blood tester

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You really don't need any blood testing gear to know if you're in ketosis, the strips are plenty good for that, but the blood tester is more precise (maybe a bit more accurate but most people confuse precision and accuracy) but strips are perfect for comfirming you're in ketosis. Blood tester is more precise so you can watch how you respond to certain things like exercise, sleep, certain food etc. and see smaller changes whereas my piss strips are staying dark color most of the time, this morning they were a bit lighter but they're dark again after lifting whereas my blood meter showed the lowest point i've tested so far (but still firmly in ketosis at 2.7 mmol/L

I'm past the first 24 hours of my first ever water fast. I'm feeling bretty good, and never expected this to be so easy.
I had no other plans than going for 24 hours, but now I'm closing in to 30 and am planning to push on with this as far as is reasonable.

#
>hoping this guy reads it
How long did it take? I need to lose 80 lbs. Did 102 hours water fast, refeed and now I'm 3 hours in to my first try on a 24 dry

can you huff braps on a fast?

asking for a friend

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I'm skinnyfat at 19% bf
do I just keep fasting until true skinny before bulking up?

welcome to the family
you will likely experience slowdown on day 2 due to keto flu
we advocate snake juice as the remedy
just don't take it too hard
>be me
>new to fasting
>ooh, what's snake juice?
>measure out and mix up 14g KCl and 9g table salt into 1L water
>drain 4/5 the bottle in two minutes
>30 minutes later
>expel type 7 shit over the next hour
it is the true sips

Do any of you guys know if the snake man said to drink your own pee pee or eat your own doo doo? Just to be safe I've been doing both, but I think one of them is making me sick and hurting my progress. I'd watch his videos to find out but I don't feel like it.

Forgot another measurement: body weight.

My gym has one of those doctor's office type sliding scales, I put a 45 lb plate on it and it read 45 so it seems accurate enough.
At my heaviest I was 206 lb. Started eating OMAD weekdays with shitting eating habits on weekends. Dropped to 194. Started eating strictly OMAD including weekends, then incorporated keto diet with OMAD. Down to 189. Then started going to the gym, and just now finished my first water fast of 99 hours.

Past 3 measurements:
Sunday 7/15: 181 lb
Saturday 7/21: 183 lb
Today 7/28: 180 lb

I am most definitely leaner by a great margin, but no real change to my weight. Looks like I lost about 3 lb from my 4 day fast but I look and feel much leaner. Pic related taken today after weighing myself and before lifting.

Linking to some of my previous measurement results if interested.

I know I'm rambling a bit, but I just wanted you to get a good idea of my background, struggles with eating (sometimes stress eating pizza 2-3 times a week, and eating 5 big sushi rolls for dinner as often as once a week and not more often only because of the price).
Fasting has definitely improved my discipline (when I started my recent 4 day fast I started nofap at the same time and I'm 5 days nofap so far).
Stay strong and get that fat in ya!

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You're rambling a bit.

Interesting, showered and it's been maybe an hour since I finished lifting and I tested my blood sugar again and here are the results

76mg/dL, HCT 42%, Hb 14.2 g/dL

Pretty significant drop in blood sugar after an hour post lifting compared to directly after.

Not testing ketones because I have a lot more glucose strips and the ketone strips are fucking expensive.

Not testing ketones because I have a lot more glucose strips and the ketone strips are fucking expensive.

Which is why we use ketostix

is Powerade an acceptable substitute

>is Powerade an acceptable substitute
How about piss?

>Which is why we use ketostix
Yeah like I said I'm looking for small changes based on timing of food, sleep, physical activity, etc. The strips have their purpose but it's not the same as what I'm trying to look for. Plus keto sticks have a delay in that your body has processed those extra ketones from earlier and pissed them out. Meter reads what in your blood right now.
Just tested with the piss strips and they were colored but lighter than when I immediately got home after lifting. so they correspond to the blood msmts I took earlier, just with a delay.
I think it's always good to have two measurement devices to compare results.
Keto stix are great and cheap.

Why piss? That’s fucking gross breh

All of which is true...

>stevia or sucralose
Ngmi, sugar-addicted fatty

G-guys is it normal to poop-shart yellow grease?

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the weakness was probably from the dryfast.

What about a low-call sip? 30 cals brehs that doesn't count right?

>stevia/sucralose

Child

>the weakness was probably from the dryfast.
Combination of the dry fast and exercise I suspect.

the weakness from a dryfast will always kick in sooner or later, the exercise just hastens the process.

My penis is VERY SMELLY, CAPTAIN!!!!!!

>Yeah, I guess.
Great contribution, faggot.

Can somebody please help me?

Try calling out this one.

Ok, so i'm 13 hours in the first day of dry fasting and it's pretty good now, no headaches whatsoever. By the way, how do you anons manage to stay motivated for a long time? Sometimes I'm really motivated but then my mood suddenly changes.

Need more context (fasting regime, diet, etc)

Great contribution, faggot.

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Save it and send it to me. My address is:
[Your house number here] [Your street name here]
[Your city here] [Your state abbreviation here] [Your zip code here]

If you're not american then i don't want to fucking know you. Begone.

My fasting regime is none. My diet is yellow grease. My etc is yellow grease. My you is a boomer manlet homo.

>how do you anons manage to stay motivated for a long time?

Everybody's different, so hard to say. I write out goals once a day or every few days, which seems to help. Example:

>I weigh ### lbs by Wednesday, August 1st, 2018.

Then you write a sub-goal below that, such as:

>I dry fast from right now until Monday, July 30th, 2018 at 8:00 a.m.

Goals should be challenging, but possible. Not like 'I lose 100 lbs in 10 days', which will kill motivation. Goals should have a deadline, and be clearly stated and specific, so a child could understand it clearly. Not 'I am thin by X date,' because what is the definition of "thin".

>Sometimes I'm really motivated but then my mood suddenly changes.

That's normal. During a fast, you might think about eating every morning or multiple times throughout the day. Writing goals help you stay on track, but even then you can break them. Don't know what else to say, it just takes will power sometimes.

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t. Just broke a 64 hour dry fast.

AMA /fast/ if you like.

Will drinking coffee break my fast?

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Nah brah, just add a shot of snake juice aka Gatorade.

Has your dad ever had a gay experience?

>zinc
Wtf are we supposed to be supplementing motherfucking zinc too?

So, should i just find a ZMA supplement or something? Any supps that don't involve gelatin capsules or compounds that include calories and/or break a fast?

Will cocaine break a fast? Serious question

Also will the effects be 10x if I'm 48 hours into a fast already?

You're only allowed to huff braps from Felicity Huffbraps.

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If I do a 7 or 14 day will I lose muscle? Strength?

Have you been fasting without cocaine? That's impossible.

Not if you drink piss fatty.

Looks like we got some FAT fucking FOOD ADDICTS that came here to shit up the fasting thread with troll posts about gatorpiss chemical fucking shit instead of all natural salt, water, and piss. ENJOY MORBID OBESITY PIGGY BOYS.

What if I don’t drink piss? I started SS a month ago but got injured (unrelated to lifting) and have to take 2 weeks off physical activities so I might as well lose this 20 lbs I need to not be overweight

I don’t want to lose the strength gains though

Gatorpiss? So you ARE suggesting that we should drink Gatorade then, Cole?

What if you DON'T drink piss? What if you DON'T DRINK PISS? THEN YOU'RE A GAY FUCKIN RETARD, HOMO!!!!!! ONLY GAY RETARDS DON'T DRINK THEIR PISS!!!!!!!!!!

I did once after refeeding. just don't trust your farts for awhile brah

Not if you still workout while fasting. Obviously, you're not trying to workout to exhaustion, but enough for a nice muscle burn. That will keep the muscles preserved.

How funny I was just watching that episode last night.

I hope that dry fasting proves effective. It's hard for the first time.
But I seriously need to lose those fucking 80 lbs as soon as humanly possible

Blood sugar immediately after eating 3 sushi rolls, 9 pieces sashimi and 2 pieces nigiri:

68 mg/dL, HCT 39%, Hb 13.2 g/dL

1 hour after eating:

83 gm/dL, HCT 47%, Hb 15.9 g/dL

2 hours after eating:
blood sugar: 92 mg/dL, HCT 43%, Hb 14.6%
ketones: 4.9 mmol/L
piss stix showed second darkest color, ~8 mmol/L

seems crazy that I had all that sushi and haven't been kicked out out of ketosis, and that my ketone levels are even higher than after I lifted while fasting. Not insane amounts of rice but certainly more carbs than I've eaten in weeks and my ketone levels are up and blood sugar is low as well.

Maybe a good indicator of how well fasting can correct and control insulin resistance.

>after eating 3 sushi rolls, 9 pieces sashimi and 2 pieces nigiri
>I had all that sushi

Fuck you, that's nothing bitch, when you eat 48 pieces of sushi you can say that you ate "some sushi", and only when you eat at least 72 pieces you can say "I had all that sushi", bitch.

All 3 rolls were 8 piece rolls, one of which is this place's specialty and ~50% larger than typical rolls. Also forgot to include half of a california roll they through in for free. I should have taken a photo but didn't want to fuck up anyones mental game while fasting. It was really filling and more food than you're probably imagining. As filling as when I used to down an entire large pizza plus 10 boneless wings.

>i ate a lot of sushi
>nuh uh
>yuh huh
i hate it here

how do you know if/when you are lean enough?

i am at 6'2 170 lbs but i still have a jiggly stomach and jiggly manboobs. if i flex and suck in my stomach i can see my abs though; does this mean i am still not lean if i have the jiggly fat still on my stomach?

What's the machine you're using to test your blood?

>focusing on the negatives you're on a fucking korean shark fin soup fan club forum what do you expect?
Why not focus on the fact that I'm trying to provide data to support that fasting is fucking beneficial to your insulin response and that even after a carb rich meal for the first time in weeks you can stay in ketosis and not elevate your blood sugar levels beyond a healthy range.

I bought some glucose test strips as well because it said it doesn't come with those but mine came with a pack of 10 glucose test strips as well. YMMV

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Did you noticed this?

>MOST ACCURATE
>ISO 15197:2013
>±15mg/dL & ±15%

I'm not a doctor, neither I have any experience with this, but I don't need to be a doctor to know that a ±15mg/dL & ±15% error isn't "accurate", in fact, it's a complete fucking meme.

You first measure 68 mg/dL and then 92 mg/dL, taking into account measurement error, those values you've make it impossible to determine anything.
But then again, I'm not a doctor, maybe 15 mg/dL isn't relevant?

>Amazon Comments
May 21, 2018
Verified Purchase
Ummm, would have been nice to get the little widget that calibrates it. As it is, I can test my blood glucose 10 times in 10 minutes and get 10 wildly different readings. Total waste of money!

I-I don't think I will buy that machine user, fuck that, I want precision not get rick rolled on every analysis I make.

That's the ISO standard, not necessarily the device's measurement uncertainty.

I took two back to back ketone measurements last night and got 6.1 mmol/L and then 6.0 mmol/L respectively. Took another measurement about 10 minutes later and got 6.0 mmol/L.
Sounds like they got a defective unit or don't know how to prepare their sample in terms of hand washing, not letting the blood run on their finger, etc.
Obviously no measurement device is perfect and all have some systematic and random error.

Even on their website they got people saying the device is not accurate, though, yeah, they can be brainlets.

So by your own experience, it works accurately.
The strips price are indeed very interesting, I'll read some more reviews to make the decision.

You're fat and ugly and will die unhealthy eve if you make those gains piggy boy.

Fuck off fatty.

>So by your own experience, it works accurately.
It works consistently. I have no basis of comparison to say it works accurately, but the results are consistent which means I can observe trends even if it turned out to be inaccurate.
I really only got it to do lots of these inital measurements of transitionary periods like before and after lifting, before and after eating following exercise, before and after breaking a fast, etc. I won't be using it much long term to monitor ketone levels because I can just use the piss stix to confirm im still in ketosis. I just wanted a more reliable way to establish how my body handles those major events that trigger greatest insulin responses and how I react.

Wow holy fuck look at this far fucking pig oink about how you have to fill his fat gut in order to qualify as fed. Oink oink you fat disgusting kissless incel.

You're lean when you have abs without effort and no flabtits. Until then you should stop fucking eating and get that piss in ya.

fallen for meme

2 days in and I have pains but without any mental hunger. Anyone know when this shit will stop? The only way I can minimize it is with lots of water.

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Will walk mart have all the ingredients for snake juice

Only if it goes along 45 scoopes of sugar.

Anyone schedule their fasting to not coincide with Ramadan?

I always make sure I'm never accidentally in solidarity with muslims

i am the opposite, i am currently looking at religions, cultures and events that have certain dates of fasting. and after i get lean i will fast on those days for longevity sake.

Faggot.

I feast on lent

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Anyone get mania fasting?

So I have been doing IF for a few days (20:4 and omad) and was wondering if it's normal to almost pass out from pushing out a turd? How come it's always so fucking big?

I really enjoy syncope

If I've been sitting down for a while I stand up quick and valsalva manouvere and then fall back onto the couch and twitch and moan getting lightheaded

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I've been doing IF based on Buddhism, monks and nuns don't eat after noon time. So I eat breakfast and lunch and then fast for around 20 hours

Hardest part of fasting is that I cook for the house, and I'm a good cook

:(

Fasting alone in the house for 3 days is a real trip

I want to experiment with AM omads, it might be underrated

Will fapping cause me to lose nutrients while I'm fasting?

Mine had the basic 3 ingredients

Bump.

Zinc? Wat?

Yes, it also destroys willpower. You're brain wants its serotonin dump from, and it'll get it anyway it can.

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Is intermittent fasting only good with keto? I've found that I feel better with a mediterranean/paleo diet. I know that genetics can greatly affect what's good for us, it may be the case with this.

Anyway, if I want to do intermittent fasting while having a mediterranean diet, does it have to be OMAD, or should I try another type of fasting?

It works with any balanced diet. Doesn’t have to be omad, I do 18-20 fasts and have plenty of time to eat multiple meals if need be.

>just finished a 16 hour fast
we're all gonna make it bros

>finished
you're not gonna make it if you're not still fasting