Just turned 25 lads. I decided to develop anti-aging autism now because the sooner the better...

keto

I don't know. I think tretinoin is bad for your skin long-term. Let me look for a couple studies

Coffee is good for you and upwards of 5 cups a day is associated with a lower risk of alzheimers, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, and heart disease. Also, the sun thing is paradoxical because it'll age your skin, but sun exposure is linked to lower mortality rates (may be confounded by increased outdoor activity being associated with sun obviously)

>(inc. coffee)
source that this ages you?

>Limit meat and eggs
where do i get protein? what's wrong with eggs

I would think sun-protective clothing and hats is better. A lot of sunscreens have endocrine effects as well.

Re: coffee and aging it restricts blood flow and leads to drier skin. Quit for a while and see what I mean.

t. can't quit anyway

It doesn't. It's unequivocally good for you.

Don't see many 50 year old niggers outside, must all be dead or in prison so fat lot of good that cream did

Why do I see rich white roasties tanning in ridiculous amounts at beaches and in tanning booths? Do they literally not know that not tanning will leave them more attractive in the long run?

>Limit meat and eggs,
I'd add a counterpoint that these are great sources of saturated fat and colesterol, which are the building blocs of testosterone, which is something every man needs to worry about after their mid-20s because the natural tendency is for test production to decline, and that's linked to a bunch of negative aspects of aging.

>women
>planning for the long term

these older women know the clock's ticking

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im a medfag, the only thing that will work is physically removing your skin regularly with a chemical peel

True, but monounsaturated fat consumption is basically as highly correlated with testosterone as sat fat. So you could opt for healthier olive oil or avocados if you wanted.

meh maybe it's just genes, I never go outside and at 26 I already look like shit

This isn't true. Dermarolling/microneedling also increases skin thickness by promoting additional collagen production

I don't know. I think it promoted blood perfusion pretty much everywhere with chronic consumption. Acutely it might reduce it, but in the longer term I'm not so sure.

no. none of that shit actually works

physically removing skin works because the skin will always heal itself , breaking apart the collagen by cutting through it obviously also works (subcision)

TCA peeling costs less than 0.1 cents if you know how to do it , its incredibly easy and it actually works

Genes are a huge part of it. Look at Jared Leto. Granted he eats pretty healthy and exercises, but he's like 46 and looks the same as when he was 30

Wrong, vegans age like shit. Keto/carnivore is key to longevity.

This guy is pushing 60 eating meat only for 19 years and his wife is mid 40s both look fantastic compared to anyone that has done veganism 10+ years.

This is what plant based gets you
youtube.com/watch?v=7ThcTNit330

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The ones I feel so bad for are the youngish girls that you can tell have gone to the beach too fucking much or tanned so much that their skin just looks dry and leatherish already. They won't make it to 30

What do you think microneedling is doing other than breaking through the skin and promoting increased skin thickness through the growth factors released in the healing process. I'm saying there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Plant based diet is suicide if you wanna look good aging. High fat diet is where it is at.

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>long run
Women can only look good from 14-30.

anything after they should have a chad tied down with a baby

sunBLOCK not sunSCREEN always remember that. But I would just put on a cap and not be autistic about it. How often are you out in the sun in the summer?
>ketofag
fuck off. Just as bad as the vegan nonsense

You can have high fat through the consumption of olive oil

nutrition has almost nothing to do with skin itslef , unless your diet is actively giving you permanent inflammation
the most important thing for skin is vitamin c, which is used by prolyl-4-hydroxylase in the steps to synthesize collagen

microneedling doesn't cut through collagen, it's a meme that only shows result when you combine it with things that do actually work

don't waste your time with microneedling, TCA peeling + vitamin C supplement will keep your skin incredible for the rest of your life

and the cost point is around 0.1 cent for one peel if you buy the TCA as a 99.9% powder and mix it yourself

its ridiculously easy to perform it but still very risky

anyone use vitamin e for their skin?

I quit cigarettes cold turkey after smoking 8 years. I can not for the life of me quit drinking coffee.

I don't like sunscreen but I think using a good moisturizer is okay. I think an omnivore diet is best. Low carbs, lots of variety. Any extreme diet should be avoided. I feel like all these keto people are going to die in their 40's.

I would imagine general antioxidant load would also decrease oxidative damage in the skin, no? For example, beta-carotene accumulating in the skin

>needing to justify your carb addiction

C O P E

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jocd.12095

I mean this is a shit study but microneedling certainly has effects on its own. Wounding is well-established to cause increased growth factors, hence hair growth at some wounding sites.

>no fun
OP why do you want to look good at 50? honestly i hope im dead before then

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So I can ejaculate on your literally spineless grave and then spit on it. Get the fuck out of my thread with that sopping bullshit.

idk about this hypothetical stuff, i wouldnt bother with it at all

physiologically what works against you is having a vitamin C deficiency, which will cause your new built skin to suck or not heal properly at all (due to it being used by the enzyme)

there isn't really anything better than TCA peeling in terms of cost efficiency

not gonna read any studies bro, i know many people believe in microneedling but its a meme and i wouldnt waste my resoruces and tiem for it

spend your time with 1. TCA peeling 2. sun screen 3. getting in form doing some HIIT , high O2 partial pressure will increase your skin greatly

these 3 things will keep you looking as good as any holly wood star easily

and they are cheap as hell (they are basically free)

hmm you sound a little tense,sounds like you need a beer buddy

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Okay. I'll use all tools at my disposal

yeh, do whatever u want and believe in, but i think its dumb to waste your time with microneedling (and probably also lots of money since you need to sterilize etc etc)

get into TCA peeling, the only downside to TCA peeling is that it requires time (and also has a down time) , once you understand how it works for your skin you can perform it every 3-4 weeks or even more

costs nothing, and dermatologists charge 1000-1500 USD for it, when the peel itself is about 0.1 CENT.

TCA peel looks dangerous
and the before and after pics i see don't look that good

What if the reason you don't see any 50 year old blacks is because the cream works so well that they are simply hiding in plain sight

White women generally look like shit after 30 regardless if they tan or not, they’re just accelerating the process.

>nutrition has almost nothing to do with skin itslef

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> before and after
the before and after don't look good because you need to do it multiple times

> dangerous

it is dangerous, so what? this and subcision , are the only ones that physically will provide results 100% of the time , simply due to their nature of forcing your skin to actually heal (and if your skin couldnt heal you wouldnt be alive)

Keto as a lifestyle isn't sustainable. Also, carbs are essential for burst energy.

too much because i like to ride around with my bike.

in terms of skin health
the problem with keto is that collagen is mainly glycoproteins, and you can't convert fat into glycogen
so what happens is that your body will try to convert glucagonic amino acids into glycogen and use that for skin collagen
keto should , technically, always make your skin worse

if your body doesn't have problems regulating anti-oxidants levels you shouldn't actively try to increase anti-oxidant levels in your diet. Your body will over-compensate which will lead to on average lower anti-oxidant levels than if you wouldn't eat anti-oxidant rich foods.

>what is glycogen from protein
>what is collagen from meat

yea my bad hehexD

Male model here, I will give you my basic routine that does wonder.

>Morning
Gym for about 1 hour, I use a Wake up Gel for my face to give my skin a soft start
I take a cold shower.
I use a peeling milk in the shower to remove deadskin. Peeling milk is soft and doesnt take away a lot of moisture
Right after that I use a toner (mostly Rose water). Let it try for about 30sec
Apply moisturizing sunscream.
>SPF factor depends on how much sun you get through the day. Under 5 hours = 20 SPF is enough, over 5 hours = 30 SPF, over 7 hours and up to 10 hours = 50 SPF

>Evening
Wash your face with warm water
Apply Retinol serum on dry skin and let it dry out. Start from your chin.
Apply toner (Rose water)
Apply Skin oil (I use Jojoba)

Twice a week I apply a Deep pore cleaning mask (Aztec Calcium) with fresh lemon juice
>Vitamin C from the juice is gonna boost collagen production
>Acidicy from the lemon juice is gonna clean up your skin better and softer than Vinegar
Apply toner + Skin oil after that

Other than that, make the basics.
>No touching of skin
>Only water
>No coffein
>at least 7 hours of quality sleep
>No smoking
>No overweight
>Less stress

Right now I'm testing Glycine supplementation as it seems to boost collagen production.

if you use acids you need to measure the pH to make sure they actually work (and also don't work too well)

applying lemon juice is retarded, because it is most of the time heated up when filled in bottles and vitamin C is not heat stable (and also not UV stable).

Vinegar is useless (doesn't relaly do anything)

retinol works,

toner is useless if you don't measure the pH of the toner and the pH of the things you apply in the first place
the idea behind a toner is to put your skins pH to a level near the product you want to use (so that the product you apply after the toner will be more efficient)

taking glycin could improve your skin if you lack it, but it is contained in all proteins (just like all other glucagonic amino acids) , so wasting your money on only glycine is retarded (just like BCAAs are contained in "protein" as well)
if you take too much glycin, you are just going to convert it into fat since it is glucagonic

On the topic of skin health how the fuck do I use lotion or even sunblock on my face when it consistently worsens my acne? It starts fucking my face about 2 days in, like clockwork. I've tried everything short of those retardedly expensive "ultra light" lotions and sunblocks that are constantly advertised for women on TV. It goes without saying that I consistently wash my face (especially because of how much I sweat). Same thing with my body but I had keratosis pilaris so having some pimples doesn't make it worse even if lotion for kp is a meme.

I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack, I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water activated gel cleanser. Then a honey almond body scrub. And on the face, an exfoliating gel scrub. Then apply an herb mint facial mask, which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an aftershave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion. There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me. Only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our life styles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.

>if you use acids you need to measure the pH to make sure they actually work (and also don't work too well)
I dont need to measure the pH of acids as long as they are mildly acidic. I mainly use lemon juice as an alternative to water or vinegar

>applying lemon juice is retarded, because it is most of the time heated up when filled in bottles and vitamin C is not heat stable (and also not UV stable).
I clearly said that I use fresh lemon juice that I squeeze myself

>toner is useless if you don't measure the pH of the toner and the pH of the things you apply in the first place
the idea behind a toner is to put your skins pH to a level near the product you want to use (so that the product you apply after the toner will be more efficient)
no, not really. I use a toner because it makes sure that my skin oil mask doesnt dry out my skin in the long term. Applying skin oil on dry face does have this effect. It also makes it easier to use less skin oil and stress your face less.

>taking glycin could improve your skin if you lack it, but it is contained in all proteins (just like all other glucagonic amino acids) , so wasting your money on only glycine is retarded (just like BCAAs are contained in "protein" as well)
if you take too much glycin, you are just going to convert it into fat since it is glucagonic

the problem is that you clearly did not enough research on this topic and I understand that because its complex and takes some time. As a semi essential aminoacid, there is no real need to supplement it as the body breaks it down by itself.

The problem comes when you dont consume enough of it and thats exactly whats happening right now. This is a fairly new research basis but I will give you something to read.

1/2

> 2 days
why would you not wash it off after the day (12-14 hours)?
moisturizer don't moisturize your skin, they prevent the moisture in your skin from evaporating, so you moisturize after shower
anyway before you are worried about moisturizing , get rid of your acne

This conversation is exactly the sort of skin care autism I need to develop. Where do you guys learn this shit?

> dont need to measure the pH

lmao yes you do, i can tell you are clueless because you are applying trash like lemon juice and vinegar to your face

> fresh lemon juice
thats even more stupid

> no not really
yes , thats the reason why a toner exists, to tone your skin so your subsequent product is more efficient , it is to TONE your skin to a certain pH

> oil
applying oil to a dry face does exactly nothing except clog up your pores

> glycin
yes , im a medical doctor, im pretty sure i know more about this than you and the advice you are giving out here is trash

>sunBLOCK not sunSCREEN always remember that.
What's wrong with getting a broad spectrum sunscreen? Is there a big difference?

Mediterranean diet ftw

Also use a mineral based sunscreen: Oxybenzone is synthetic estrogen that can disrupt the hormone system, and avoid parabins. But don't go overboard, you need vitamin D as well from the sun, as with everything moderation is the key,.

Sources:
-ewg.org/sunscreen/top-sun-safety-tips/#.W1zThNVKiUk
-ewg.org/news/testimony-official-correspondence/cdc-americans-carry-body-burden-toxic-sunscreen-chemical#.W1zTvNVKiUk

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I think you misunderstood me, of course I'm not going 2 days without washing my face that would be insane. A typical routine would be to wake up, wash my face thoroughly (I sweat a lot at night so it gets greasy, and I change pillowcases before you ask), apply face lotion. When I get to work I have been sweating for quite a bit due to having to walk to a bus for my commute, so I get in and I wash my face again as it has become greasy due to lotion mixed with sweat. I get back from work, go to gym, go home, shower, then apply lotion before going to sleep.
This results in worsening my acne. My acne is always light but literally no matter what I do won't go away, so I think I'm rather prone to it as even lotions others have reviewed as 'doesn't cause my acne to flare" still cause this. I've given up ages ago using all acne facial scrubs/benzoyl peroxide/ salycilic acid because they don't do shit from me, literally no improvement compared to just using soap to wash my face.

the studies
pastebin.com/xHRYFDpU

Drink lots of water. use topical creams that hydrate the skin. Eat a mostly alkaline diet

not gonna waste my time reading any kind of studies, anybody who advocates using fresh (not sterile) lemon juice on the face, and vinegar, is a complete retard by all measures

just leave the lotion away , you can try taking cetrizine it sometimes helps against acne and has virtually no side effects except making you drowsy (which is nice to have if you take it 30 min before you go to sleep)

>lmao yes you do, i can tell you are clueless because you are applying trash like lemon juice and vinegar to your face
you cant even comprehend why I take, you dont seems smart enough to understand anything.
>thats even more stupid
nice argument, really great. You have no fucking idea about skincare.
>yes , thats the reason why a toner exists, to tone your skin so your subsequent product is more efficient , it is to TONE your skin to a certain pH
how exactly are you a medical doctor that you believe in every stupid female online article?
Why dont you use come Hydrogen peroxide on your face as it may clean up your stupidity
>applying oil to a dry face does exactly nothing except clog up your pores
holy fucking damn mate. learn some basic biochemistry pls
>yes , im a medical doctor, im pretty sure i know more about this than you and the advice you are giving out here is trash
I'm sorry but since when is "medical doctor" enough to compete against someone like me who studies biochemistry.
fucking kike get off here with your stupidity, your knowledge is limited.

>not gonna waste my time reading any kind of studies, anybody who advocates using fresh (not sterile) lemon juice on the face, and vinegar, is a complete retard by all measures
WHY THE FUCK WOULD I STERILE IT YOU FUCKING IDIOT HOLY SHIT ARE YOU BRAINDEAD?????
Good luck with your shitty skin, you have no fucking idea about this topic yet you keep on writing.

>finasteride
>AKA testosterone antagonists
Enjoy your feminization. Might as well go the full length and take estrogen too.

>Cetirizine
pls tell me you are joking

> comprehend why i take

you admit to putting RAW LEMON JUICE on your skin, and VINEGAR
lmao
> your knowledge is limited

as opposed to somebody that believes in RAW LEMON JUICE and for some reason DOESNT believe in measuring the pH (because "mild acidity bro")

do you know how i know you are a complete mongoloid? you don't care about the pH, you don't care abou sterility, you don't care about efficacy or efficiency and/or side effects

you also don't peel your skin (which means you are a complete amateur, since strong and regular peelings are what prevents wrinkles and keeps your skin teint youthful )

everything you (supposedly) do leads me to believe you are a complete clueless idiot , and i know im right

100% of Jared Leto's youthful appearance is from bi monthly HGH injections.

>you admit to putting RAW LEMON JUICE on your skin, and VINEGAR
I NEVER USED VINEGAR AHHHHH
I USE LEMON JUICE AS WATER REPLACEMENT HOLY KEKEKEKEK
I COULD GO ON ABOUT THE BENEFITS STARTING FROM GLYCOGEN BUT YOU WONT UNDERSTAND

>as opposed to somebody that believes in RAW LEMON JUICE and for some reason DOESNT believe in measuring the pH (because "mild acidity bro")
BECAUSE THERE IS NO BENEFIT FROM USING THE DIFFERENCE
CHANGE THE PH ON YOUR FACE IS STREIGHT UP RETARDED AS ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEASURE FOR A NORMAL HUMAN BEING AND THE DIFFERENCE MAKES NOOOOO CHANGE

>you also don't peel your skin
I said I use a deep pore peeling twice a week, cmon.
Just enough proof that you cant read and simply never try to challenge your knowledge.
You started off with unscientific rhetoric.

i can tell you how a pro applies vitamin C :

- tone the skin to a pH of 4.5-5.5 because vitamin C has no effect unless its applied with a pH of WhY STERILIZE=???
jesus christ LMFAO how are you a student at any university if you don't know the importance of working with sterile shit? especially stuff that is supposed to penetrate your skin

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> talks about lemon juice and vinegar
> pays for glycine which is part of 1/3 of almost all protein , literally pays for something he can get for free in every piece of meat, protein powder etc.

you are retarded , i conclude this case

lol all the black boys at my gym put oil on their shoulders to look shiny. so pathetic. none of us even give them a second look and it makes them so mad!

> deep pore peeling

im talking about a chemical peeling that peels off your epidermis

not your kiddie bodyshop shit that does nothing

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>caring
the final redpill is dionysian

what helps?
money

>muh jews

100 g of TCA 99.9% costs around 20 USD; will last you for 20-25 years if you do a peeling every 3-4 weeks

>pays for glycine which is part of 1/3 of almost all protein
jesus christ
its 1/3 of collagen not all protein. Its a Scleroprotein
you dont even know the basics.

>working with sterile shit? especially stuff that is supposed to penetrate your skin
I dont need to because sterilization has a long term negative effect on skin microbiome

> sterility is bad!!!
you are absolutely retarded

> glycine
glycine is a AMINOACID , its part of "PROTEIN" (if you buy 100 g protein powder, 20-30% will be GLYCINE)

collagen is a GLYCOPROTEIN , it contains mostly sugars + aminoacids (prolin and glycine mostly)

>chemical peeling
god fuckign damn I know what you are talking about
TCA and so on.
A TCA peeling is not my daily skin routine.
I do it sometimes but not all the fucking time.

>t. Rabbi

> i know what you are talking about

no you don't, you are advocating using raw lemon juice (ROFL)
you are an absolute shitposter
also who "deep peels their PORES" LMAO ?

what does that even mean?

a deep peeling means removing the epidermis, and anything that doesn't do that, is by definition not a "DEEP PEELING" .

>sterility is bad!!!
not even what I said but go on, read a little
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535073/

>glycine is a AMINOACID , its part of "PROTEIN" (if you buy 100 g protein powder, 20-30% will be GLYCINE)
jesus fucking crist
I'm gonna ignore you because you really dont have a basic understanding on amino acids.

I'm tired of you, you are not very bright.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanser

> yo i found this study that says you shouldnt work 100% sterile ingredients that you put on your face!!

not even gonna bother you mongoloid

> basic understanding

you thought glycine is a COLLAGEN LMAO

you are absolutely terrible , i guess you are a kid in school still, only way a biochem student couldn't know the difference between a glycoprotein and an aminoacid and also that all aminoacids are generally found in nutritional "protein" to varying degrees

and how is a cleanser a peeling? as i said, you are clueless

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give me a rundown on the sweet-potatopill.

>not even gonna bother you mongoloid
great, just proves my point of your limited knowledge

>you thought glycine is a COLLAGEN LMAO
you cant even fucking read.
>a COLLAGEN
lmao

>and how is a cleanser a peeling
oh cmon, now you just annoy me.

Caffiene spikes cortisol

>no. none of that shit actually works
Are you in your first semester of med school?