Is it normal that brosplitters in your average gym look way better than the memeprogramm followers?

brosplitters refer to people who split working out body parts on a day by day basis
monday = back and biceps
tuesday = chest and triceps
this type of routine in Jow Forums is referred to as a brosplit routine as this is what 99% of gymbros do.

Meme program could refer to any workout program someone is on its not specific

SS = starting strength, if you read the sticky this is the routine given to beginner lifters
SL = strong lifts, a very similar routine but with a bit more volume (5x5 not 3x5)
icememefitness refers to jason blahas workout routine ice cream fitness which is another similar program which focuses around compound lifts and 5x5 routine

I've spoken to people doing brosplits who have been working out for 3-4+ years and while they are certainly stronger and better looking than the average person, their lifts aren't THAT good nor are their bodies. Better than my noob-stats, but usually not close to 1/2/3/4 which one could realistically achieve in about 1-1.5 years on a SS-type program even with shit genetics and a ton of re-sets.

My brother in law has been lifting on-and-off for years doing brosplits and his bench 1RM is just above 90kg. I've been at it for two months now and I'm at 80kg and haven't even re-set yet. My squat is already better than his, but lilla nigga never squats anyway (100kg).

Unforgivable

LEAVE UNTIULL YOU CANT
RUUUUNNN AWAY

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Precisely. I did SS-into-madcow and ended up reaching 1/2/3/4 for reps in a year max, if that. I was outlifting the majority of people who were probably going to the gym for years.

Brosplitters are doing it suboptimally, plain and simple. Especially the ones who are natty and doing it from the start, because
1) they don't need an entire week to recover
2) only doing the major lifts once a week means they're not doing the movements frequently enough to learn to do them properly
3) beating the shit out of a muscle group once a week probably means tons of issues with form breaking down, higher injury rates, increased DOMS due to how infrequent the workouts are, etc.
There are probably a ton of other factors too.

obviously training aesthetics--> more aesthetics than training for powerlunching

The argument was always that (SS for a few months)+( training for aesthetics after that) > (training for aesthetics since Day 1). Like nobody has seriously argued JUST doing SS-style stuff for YEARS, but to start there.

it's almost as if Jow Forums is the only place that thinks you'll get big doing strength training..

Yeah. PPL is brosplit, because you skip legs anyway in PPL

go fuck yourself
t. front squatting on leg day #1 of PPL as we speak

How the fuck do you know who does a program and who doesn’t, and how long people have been working out for?

It’s much more likely that the people doing a program are novices, hence they actually need a prescribed program, and the brosplitters are experienced enough to do their own programming.

>on leg day #1
So you either started lifting 3 days ago and you think leg day is fun(for like 2 more leg days), or you lift since forever and this is your first legday

Just look at the videos people post on /plg/ of their form, and tell me if any of them look halfway good, or better than any guy from your gym that’s lifted for the same time and does a brosplit

>left side is natty
>right is on roids

Brosplits work well for guys like me who take roids, they are pretty much a waste of time for nattys who haven’t hit their plateaus hard

>started with stronglifts and became stronger than anyone in the gym
>later did brosplits but got comments like “this guy is semi jacked”
>hopped on roids and looked better than all the gym roiders due to built core

There’s a reason powerlifters look amazing when they finally stop being fatasses and cut, the ones on

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he sweared being natty on the right pic, i doubt him

What a load of bullshit
The fact that you think with terms like 'chad' in mind proves you know jack shit about what you're talking about.

Enjoy being a miserable insecure loser who has no motivation to improve himself because a vietnamese doll exchanging website polluted his way of thinking.

That's because brosplits work, anyone that claims otherwise is just coping

yup, selection bias. mostly fat ass nerds who browse Jow Forums and reddit come across SS or SL as babby's first program. most people just hit the gym. But theoretically someone who uses these powerlifting programs will end up looking better and being stronger due to progressive overload (assuming they cut bodyfat along the way)

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I always thought what I did (Back and biceps, chest and triceps, etc.) was more of a modified PPL than a brosplit.

It works well for me because I do the heavy compounds but then can do as much volume as I want

What op is asking is "why do the person that lifted for 3 years look better then the person that lifted for 5 months?"

brainlet or troll

i did PPL before i switched to PPA

>pic related is a bro on a split for 3years, and look better than 99% of this board
that photo is 95% lightning btw, the other 5% being low bf. he is small for 3 years

>usually not close to 1/2/3/4

Someone doing brosplit isn't training for strength

SS is supposed to be done for a few months and then you move onto ULxUL or ULxPPL, OR even PxPxLxPxPxL if you have all the time in the world(has no set days), that's the goat routine for aesthetics.

SS will give you strength in compounds which is super important to bulding muscle and it translates into acessories too, every non-roider aesthetic guy has really strong lifts.

thing is, SS recommends squats 3x week which is garbage, I would personally remove it from the day you're supposed to deadlift, so you end up squatting 1x or 2x/week to not get t-rex mode and also have the deadlift day free of squats = more strength/less fatigue to progress on them, adding 2-3 acessories is important and it is recommended in the book, after you learned proper form in the compounds, if anyone actually read it.
now onto nutrition, do NOT do GOMAD simply go for a 250-500kcal surplus

Um, sir... Your... your um... your right bicep seems like it's kinda doing its own thing right now? Dunno. Figure you'd probably want to check that out.

>OR even PxPxLxPxPxL if you have all the time in the world(has no set days), that's the goat routine for aesthetics.
t. dyel

>The fact that you think with terms like 'chad' in mind proves you know jack shit about what you're talking about.

More like he knows his audience. Sounds like you’re the insecure one trying to block out the fact that the notion of “Chad” exists.

honestly the important part is the "for 3 years." Time and consistency trump most programs for the average lift

give me one reason it's bad, you're hitting every muscle group 2x week while having one day interval for rest.

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Literally no one thinks SS will make you look good. It's meant to bring you from weak to mediocre

no, thats PPLPPLx you fucking brainlet, x is a rest day.

youll never have any sort of mass on your body with stats as pathetic as 1/2/3/4 no matter what your routine

>progressive overload
I hate this fucking buzzword.
It is literally meaningless.

>walk into gym
>work out whatever part of my body doesn't have the mild fatigue indicating I worked it 1-2 days ago
>been doing this for 8~ months

why should I even use a program?

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Because you look like shit and are probably weak as well?

Because you look like me after 2 months and I bet your lifts suck.

If not, and if your looks have improved from where you began, then by all means continue.

No, but 1234 is pretty low and if you aren't even close by year 4 of lifting, you're not lifting but fucking around. A skinnyfat fuck with shit genetics like me should NOT catch up to you within 2-3 months if you have 3+ years of lifting behind you. Jesus.

Because you look like shit.

>100 million on the planet lift doing popular and widely spread Bro-Split
>99% of them look like shit and are weak (99 million weak DYELs)
>1% look good (1 million)

>100 thousand people on the planet lift doing extremely niche Strength Training routine
>99% of them look like shit but are decently strong (90 thousand strong DYELS)
>1% look good (10 thousand)

As you can see by my highly accurate statistics, the only reason why a Bro-Split appears to be better is because there are far more people who lift doing a bro-split, so there's a lot more chance of you finding someone who looks good and does a Bro-split. Pretty much every single person on the planet that lift weights does a Bro-Split. The Strength lifting community is such a small niche in the world that it's extremely hard to find good looking Strength at local gyms as if your gym has 1000 members, 990 of them will be doing a Bro-Split, so it's more likely that you will find a good looking Bro-Split guy, compared to the sample size you have at your gym of maybe 10 people at the very most who are doing Strength Training.

If you don't understand this basic shit, you're probably a brainlet.

>literally just translate my informed statement into meme-speak for humorous effect
>hurr durr lemme dismiss that idea hurr hurr
Neck yourself.

post bodies

maybe if all you do is fluff shit with no intensity, sure.

>Literally say I'm a noob lifting for 2 months and that I look like that guy.
>P-post pic...
Like I said, I look like that guy. That's my critique. That he looks like me. Who looks like shit.

>Leg day on Monday

It's PPL. The L is after the two Ps. Everyone knows Monday is International chest day. You're a rebel.

Lel no pic then cool stfu

I’m considering switching off of GSLP for PPLPPLx.
I look like shit and my lifts are mediocre but I’ve gained a decent amount of strength.
6’0” 180lbs, 8 weeks into lifting.
Best sets (usually do 2x5 and then AMRAP on last set, these are my most recent AMRAP sets)
Bench: 185lbsx10
OHP: 125x10
Row: 135x10
DL: 225x5
Squat: 180x5 (weakest)

What do, guys?

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>start lifting January
>18yo
>bro split
>now on ppl
>inb4 yew skip legs, just hit them for the 9th time in my ppl

Bench max: 185
Ohp: 115*5 (seated)
Squat: 195*5
Deadlift: 225*3 could prolly do more

Should I stop ppl and do a beginner program until I reach good numbers? I don’t wanna look like pic related

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Brosplitters tend to be roiders

just do HST or a variation of it, it is literally the best way to train for people without a program
volume is kept low to moderate, frequency is kept high(every bodypart trained 3x a week)

Thing is brosplitters are roiders which is a huge part of the reason as to why they look good. At the same time I give no shits about being strong and only want to look good

I’m Can I even achieve decent hypertrophy with some of my lifts as low as they are? Should I be cutting as well or does that not matter at all?

Do you have an example?

Those stats are fucking garbage for 7 months of lifting. Just do fullbody linear progression. You don't need to start splitting things up until after you're intermediate/advanced level and need more recovery

>185 bench
>garbage for 7 months of lifting
post body

you first

It is. I had a 225lb bench at that point and it was my worst lift

that's because you're 250 lbs and will die from heart disease at 75

I'm 165lb...

Roids

>Looked better BEFORE the gym
OH NONONONO AHAHAHAHAHA

Mommy gib milkies

PPA? Push-pull-Ass?

Just do SS or GSLP. I'm not some genetic freak and you too can make decent progress

I do 3x full upper body days per week, get on my level

Literally fuck legs, nobody except autistic neckbeards give a shit about them

Greyskull LP has provided

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Whatever you do have a plan and review, take into account your age, body fat, calories, nutrition, rest and how your body responds to stimulation.

Again, review your progress, have a target that can be measured in push, pull and squat ask yourself are you getting stronger, if not why?

Also are you using gear, if so you can getaway with a semi-unstructured routine and still get great results.

It really doesn't matter what training method you pick as long as it is the best method to reach your targets.

Remember - without targets you are just exercising, not training!

You've made two simple mistakes though young senpai, but very common ones.

1. You should only do something like SS/SL for two to three months MAX. If you're doing it properly, consistently, and eating properly, you can go from empty bar to decent stats in that time. SS/SL only get a bad rep because people fuck around for years on it and don't bother put the effort in.

2. A Brosplit is not a split routine. A split done properly is fine, and a good way to build muscle. For a total newcomer doing SS/SL is great to build lifts and nail your form, but after that a split (be it PPL or bodypart) is ideal. A split becomes a Brosplit when it is done by a faggot who fucks around, doesn't lift properly or consistently, and eats like a bitch.

Push pull anchovy

bet you're a manlet like all the other ego lifters on this board. nobody gives a shit about your 1rm and your step brother, just shut up

You could get that body just by swimming

it really is not lol it is the ONLY thing it matters

Only if you're not tall and have God-tier generics

You don't look like shit for a normie

But you look like shit for someone who's been lifting for 8 months

A surprisingly large amount of people do roids.

Honestly half the people in my gym don't even do full ROM and spend 90% of their gym time standing around machines chatting, but they're all jacked as fuck because i'm in the UK and steroids are perfectly legal. My gym even sells them OTC.

Muscle confusion bro! You have to keep the body guessing.

not really, that's a frontal shot with piss poor lightning and no pump plus lack of tan aka how I really look like
with a pump, different angles and downlightning I look like a god wish I could look all the time like I do at the gym

U jelly

Don't stop a running system. Someone with good genetics will be good no matter how he approaches. If a brosplit has the right technique within exercises, it works of fking course. Obv bros roid more often

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post body

y-yikes

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Yeah, don't these guys know that the only way to build muscle is MY very specific scenario where they perform a certain motion X number of times per week on Y and Z days? You muscles can totally tell bro.

Nah at my gym the biggest moggers are the guys who do strength training for rugby

>8 months for THIS
what are you doing?

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Have you heard of eating? I could snap you in two twink.
Because you look like you have klinefelters and haven't seen the inside of a gym in your life
Try eating more and just stick to one program, you actually look ok for how long you've been lifting which is a rarity on this site

Also natty lifting is complete cope if you only care about size. You can get very good strength natty but you'll never have a truly impressive physique.

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go back to plebbit

>roids
>thinks his opinion is valid

I probably spent more time lifting natty than you've been spent on this Earth fag

>Also natty lifting is complete cope if you only care about size

How does this even fucking make sense?

Surely that's roiding? Only caring about size to the extent that you literally fuck up your hormonal system because its impossible to achieve your goals naturally?

I was benching 185 for 6-10 reps after 2-3 months of lifting lmao. Now I've been stuck at 205-215 for 6 months feels bad

No u