Can someone tell me what the FUCK my TDEE would be if I have a desk job and just go to the gym for about 40 minutes (albeit non-stop, till failure lifts) and then thats really it with maybe some walking?
No way that's >moderate exercise
right? Googled all translations and nothing makes sense.
In order to gain muscle using the moderate exercise as a base, I would need 3.5k calories(250 surplus) @ 180 pounds standing at lmao5'9
Yes or no
TDEE bullshit
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I can tell you I'm 31, 6'5 210lb at probably 13ish bf%. I lift an hour 3x a week and do 30min moderate cardio 4x a week. Desk job and very little other activity. My TDEE based on tracking it every day for six months is about 2500.
3500 cals is too high if you're unsure of how metabolically active your body is. Start increasing calories slowly from 2500 a day to avoid gaining too much fat.
Seriously....I'm 26, been doing this for 3 years and only ever noticed mad gains when I was eating at the 3k+ calorie intake, anything less and it seemed like I wasn't building anything.
This is what frustrates me, given how specific we have to be with a few hundred calories to make the lowest amount of fat gains but just the right amount of muscle development is absurd when you're just "guessing"
I've been cutting for the past few months, looking not bad but still got some tit and belly fat yet kind of want to start clear bulking at 250 + but have no idea where to start now and the TDEE is giving me anxiety.
Yeah it shows 3300 as my TDEE without taking into account BF%(no idea what mine is) so roughly accurate to the sticky but not accurate at all to the first guys post so either he's lying or I'm doing something wrong.
yall niggas are overcomplicating this shit, especially considering that you do not plan to do bodybuilding professionally. tracking calories, having TDEE in mind and so on, as a recreational lifter is needless.
it's as simple as just trying to eat 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, and eating about the same or slightly higher amount of carbs, + trace fats. then if you want to cut, you simply reduce the carbs and up the protein (if possible)
then actually training hard as fuck in the gym. no, 40 minutes training is not hard. no, going to the gym for 1 hour, 3x a week is not hard training. yes, i know that you have a social life and you are not a neet, you don't have the time to train for an hour & 30 minutes 6 times a week because you have other, super important shit to do. and that's completely fine. HOWEVER, understand that the results you are seeing are equivalent to the effort and time you are putting in training. having this in mind, do not complain if gains are lacking, because you certainly know you aren't giving it your best.
So you're saying instead of tracking calories, we should just track carbs and match it to my protein intake with a little more for muscle growth while also going 3 hours a day to the gym. Doesn't seem right.
This is like atleast 500 over what it should be.
fuck you
tracking kcal is necessary for a lot of us to make sure we're making surplus.
yes, except the going to the gym for 3 hours part. there's no need to exaggerate to show that you disagree with what i said.
if you are doing PPL (as you should, because it's unironically the best routine), then spending 1 hour and 15-30 minutes in the gym is enough to get up to 25-30 working sets a week for each body part, which is what gets you growth, as long as you are eating properly. that's if you do PPLPPLx.
on the rest day, you can go no carbs at all, to somewhat balance out all the carbs you've eaten on training days.
Ok so both that calculator and the one in the sticky are bullshit then, how do you know it's 500 over what it says?
i'd understand this if you were referring to being on a deficit, but for being on a surplus? are you fucking serious? just fucking EAT. get a general idea of how many calories, protein, carbs and fats are present in each of your most eaten foods, and work with that. it's like 5 minutes of googling. there's no need to be autistic about and use shit like myfitnesspal if you are just a recreational lifter. you do realize that it is virtually impossible for you to hit, for example, EXACTLY 3300 kcal every single fucking day, right? there are too many variables.
this shit should be taught in pre and highschool.
But ultimately that means TDEE is complete nonsense because @ my TDEE of 3k, if I follow your carb routine I would theoretically be eating about 22 calories a day if I converted it and that seems god-awfully low to the point where I usually cut at that. How can I know this actually works.
You have to work backwards. You should know how many calories you are eating, and what is happening to your weight over the past month or so. Given that data, you can calculate your TDEE.
i'm not discrediting TDEE because i don't have the credentials nor the knowledge to do that, but what i can say, is that TDEE is not something a recreational lifter should rely on, as the variables are way too many. did you have to run to catch your buss today? ooops, you burned more calories. did you get enough sleep? were you stressed at work? that's more burned calories. you see what i'm getting at?
what's your current bodyweight
Yeah I see what you mean, I'm sitting at 180lbs right now
try to get roughly 200g of protein and 250g of carbs in every day + trace fats, meaning you don't count that shit. if you eat things such as salmon, red meat, avocado, shit cooked with olive oil, you should be getting enough fats. eat as many veggies as you can. not broccoli and cauliflower, that shit gets you bloated. cucumber, kale, spinach, shit like that.
at this point you know what food you have access to throughout your day. learn what it's macros are and adjust accordingly. also, if you can, space out your meals. it is more forgiving on your digestion more than anything.
I run about 40km a week at a 5min/km pace and do boxing at a very high intensity 4 hours a week plus some hours of skipping rope and body weight exercise.
I seem to hold my weight at 2500-3000 calories, being a 78kg male at 1.80m
also, needless to say, drink water. 3 litres a day AT LEAST.
and look into my post above about doing PPL. yes, you are a lifting as a hobby, but if you want results, you gotta train and put the time in. there's no two ways about it. "less is more" doesn't really apply in this scenario. people hate to hear that their "full body 3 times a week routine, i'm in and out of the gym in 1 hour bro" may not be the optimal path to their desired goals.
Ok this seems more doable. Only thing is I'd have to drink 2 bottles of whey protein supplements to get 200g of protein including meals. Not a fan of liquid carbs but if that works then why not.
yea, that's the shitty part. technically, you don't need supplements, but in practicality, you really end up not having the time to get the meals in, and i won't argue with that. so you gotta get protein shakes.
myprotein products are fine and at a very reasonable price, considering they have some kinda discount all the time. not sure if they deliver to the US of A tho
money isnt an issue, im in Canada so its probably even more pricey here but im more than happy buying the powder if it delivers. How do I calculate how many carbs I need similar to how you did, like say I get to 190 now, do I need 220g of protein and now 300 carbs?
don't have a formula for that, i just threw a number at you so you can have something to go off and not make it confusing. just keep the carbs higher than the protein by say 60-70, if not even more. something like that.
on your rest day/s though, if you can, eat no/low carbs, but keep protein the same. you don't need carbs on your rest days, since you are not exercising and don't need the extra energy. but then, if after a rest day you are training in the morning, then you may want to get some carbs in the night before.
also, in regards to the training itself, let me put it like this - if you want maximum hypretrophy, you need to get at least 20 working sets per body part, per week. to keep it simple, a working set is a set for at least 8 reps, using your 80-85% rep max. there's calculators for that online.
with the above being said, you are not REQUIRED to do PPL, but this routine just so happens to mix and match everything nicely, allowing for good recovery, tolerable time spent in the gym, and getting the needed the volume in.
I cut on 1700 a day and that ends up being around 0.8 lbs lost a week.
I'm not too different from your stats.