Are Pendlay Rows some sort of internet thing? Everyone on here and even on leddit talks about it often...

Yea, but in the internet age, I doubt that anyone who refuses to use the internet for knowledge would use a book instead

I started lifting in 2003, I never looked up routines online or anything back then. I didn't even know there was lifting communities online....all I did back then online was play MMORPGs and thats all I thought existed online, just nerds n shit.

Anyway, when I first went to the gym in 2003 I just noticed everyone was training 1 body part per day, like Chest, or Back, or Legs, or Shoulders, or Arms, so I just copied them.

I'm talking about the people who did lifts like OP is describing.

People who just do the most common exercises are just doing what a friend told them to do. Or in some cases they are just imitating what they have seen in movies. A lot of them learned a few things in high school and stick to them the rest of their lives.

I guess that’s fair. Personally, I don’t see why you’d want to settle for what you already know when you are dedicating so many hours of the week to this. I suppose it’s the same reason I see people drink protein shakes despite not eating a caloric surplus

Reminder that the average gym bro:
looks like shit and is weak despite training for 3+ years
Brosplits and machine hops
Only compound they do is bench press

literally me

kek

this actually makes sense if your on a cut. if anything, your protein requirements are higher when youre cutting, so protein shakes can help u achieve ur goals without going over your calorie target.

i go to a barbell gym and i've never seen anyone do any kind of row there besides me.

just do pullups to fatigue every other day, you'll get to weighted eventually right

meme exercise for memers

some people just like the taste

Fitness magazines at the grocery store

I agree for sure, I'm talking about DYELs though

Which ones do you recommend for taste? I've been using Vega Sport recently, and I'm pretty happy with it. Others have been godawful though

Most people in the free weight section at my gym seem to be acquainted with bent over rows off the rack. also the t-bar

>Back in my day we had these things called magazines.

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In my gym people think bent over row is pendlay row and correct my form if I do normal bent over rows

Probably because its fucking shit
>Oh hey, lets do a back exercise that puts ALL the fucking weight on your lower back
>Why yes! Instead of being in the seated position, pulling a heavy weight with your back muscles lets put you in a massive compromised position where your spine is desperately trying to stop you falling over while you pull with your biceps! What a great back exercise!
Anyone who understands basic fucking physics will know that a cable row is objectively and SCIENTIFICALLY better than a fucking pendlay row.

>low quality bait

machines were built to gave your muscles even more tension on your muscles though

cringe and bluepilled

They are an absolutely unnecessary exercise, in fact if you do any sort of pullups alongside some sort of lateral raises you have 0 need for "horizontal pulls"

is it normal if I can easily bench 225x5 but can barely pendlay row 1 plate?

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I can bench press 3 plates for reps but I can hardly do over 2 plates pendlay rows, unless I get really fat in which case just being fatter and heavier makes the movement much more strict.

No, work your back

>how do people learn how to do this stuff without the internet? honest question.
unfortunately, back in the day we didn't. knowledge was passed down in bb/powerlifting gyms and among people who went to competitions and so on. I tried lifting 3 different times in my life and made barely any progress, simply because I did these shitty 3x12 split routines with a million exercises. I was 30 by the time I learned about SS and make a ton more gains than I ever did, in a fraction of the time.

Half the people on this board arent even American. You are probably taking advice from some Lithuanian faggot

Man, I remember in high school, me and my buddies would all chip in and order like a 36 pack of Bawls in preparation for LAN parties. Good times.

Back in my day I ate fresh baked crusty warm pure wheat bread on cyber cafes just next to the bakery, and played cs 1.5 with my brother and his buddies while drinking full sugar coke.
Those were the days...

no that's a huge disparity. The strength required to bench 2pl8 for a 5x5 is much more than the level required for a 1pl8 pendlay row imo.

There's a reason it was invented by a Olympic weightlifting coach bitch boy. Maybe if you trained your lower back once in a while it wouldnt be a issue.

This. Most people at the gym also do quarter squats and spend the majority of their time doing a million variations of dumbbell curls, rows, and presses on their shitty brosplits and make very little progress. The internet is the place where people actually find out what really works because it allows a smaller community to have better communication and access to knowledge.

Unless they knew someone competent, they didn't learn anything but what their fellow broscientists at the gym told them to do. And that's how things like brosplits and broscience became so pervasive in the first place.

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my 5x5 bench and pendlay are 175lb and 140lb respectively so at least one of us is definitely abnormal

According to symmetric strength, over lmao2plate on pendlay row for reps is really good, assuming proper form and no kipping/cheating. I pendlay row 255 for reps and bench 275 for reps.

I have a hard time progressing beyond that on pendlays though because I can't help but start kipping when it gets heavier.

Same situation as me, although I at least started lifting seriously in grad school. Before then in undergrad, I tried getting into lifting. And all the info came from magazines and your bros (who got their info from bros who got their info from bros, etc). And I was told that in order to get strong you need to do a 5-day bodypart split, coming in each day of the fucking week and obliterating different body parts with a million different exercise variations for that body part. So naturally I soon after said "fuck this shit" and quit.

Then I got back into it after Jow Forums was created and I learned about SS and the focus on compound movements and fullbody workouts. Haven't looked back since.

can do 62.5kg 3x5 incline bench (approx 45deg) and 62.5 3x5 pendlay quite strictly, those lifts should be close to the same

40 years ago, Arthur Jones and Nautilus had it right with the full body workout protocol, I believe. However, he eschewed low reps, sets and the barbell. SS and others have combined both of these philosophies in a sense, both full body workouts and the barbell, low reps and sets.

people don't do them at the gym because there's actual equipment at the gym for working your lats. do pendlay rows if you don't have cable setup at home

wait i've just started doing lifting and i do these all the time
are they actually shit?
admittedly i have to because i'm lifting in my conservatory and only have a barbell/bench to work with

in my gym, they didnt know about deadlifts. i was the only one doing deadlift, ohp and pendlay rows.

Pendlays deload your Lower back at the bottom retard
Regular bent over rows are worse for it

Have fun with your kyphotic posture and fucked up shoulders

This, all these fucking DYEL retards with their broscience. Pendlays are the safest form of barbel row for your back because you let it go each time. With a normal bent-over row, holding onto a heavy bar while you're lowering it can be dangerous due to the inertia if you let it drop too fast and your lower back ends up acting as a shock absorber

Do face pulls instead of rows, your future spine will love you for it.

Im just started and im doing brosplit because thats what everyone told me.
Should i go full body?

That doesn't even make any sense. Just because they're both pulls does not mean they're the same. One is not a replacement for the other. It's like saying you should do pullups instead of deadlifts

full body. All those dudes who fuck around in the gym for years on end and look the same as they started? Brosplitters.

>that 30 year old boomer doing SS

thanks man, good thing i go alone so i dont have to hear anyone tell me why brosplit is better in real life

do not do them fatigued. you need to keep a rigid spine or you can easily pull a back or hip muscle/ligament and then you lost a bunch of progress over a stupid row you might as well do on a machine

I'm the opposite . . .
I can Pendlay row alot more than I bench press.

>47083338
Strength science says that a 100kg x 5 Bench strength should equal to a 80kg x 5 Pendlay Row strength.

Its not 1-1 like autists here claim.

yeah

>tfw bench 120 and "cheat pendlay/row" 180

I heard Australian chads are mostly curlbros who don't care about back and legs. Chest/arms/abs erryday

based, cheat pendlay is the way to go. That's how I built up my deadlift to 200kg

same my deadlifts shot from struggling at 180 -> 210x6 so far with no stalls yet, not increasing weight on the rows anymore just trying to lessen the cheating and and build reps

I remember the good ol' days of hooking up 4 original xboxes and 4 tvs in my friends' living room. We'd have 4v4v4v4 Halo matches, or do a full 16 man blood gulch CTF with rounds that's would last all night long.
Fuck yeah

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Sounds like a good plan the cheating only works so far

do the same with shrugs if you havent started yet as well (if you do them), has the same effect builds your strict like nothing else

because they are a garbage exercise. Useless for aesthetics

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I'm on a bulk

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is it redundant to do t-bar rows and pendlay rows?
i also do weighted chins and db rows and lat pulldowns (will eventually replace chins with weighted pull ups)

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How does the pendlay row compare to the more traditional bent-over row in terms of weight you can pull? My bent-over row is fairly horizontal as it is, but breathing and proper bracing is pretty difficult between reps.

Used to do a lot of pendaly rows, gave me decent back gains, but it eventually became to keep it strict when I started rowing over 100 kg for sets of 10. Since I moved to new gym, I've been doing seal rows since I have proper equipment. They feel amazing, especially in midback. Feels good being able to thrash upper back without fatiguing lower back.

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too hard*

Also I really like seal rows since you can't really cheat and you can gauge progress more accurately (by trying to touch the bench on top of every rep). I hope to get to 100 kg for sets of 10 some day.

On the same day or you train back twice a week? If you really want to do them the same day. Start with decently heavy pendlays and use the t-bar and db rows more for just focusing on the muscle. Try to find good timing to do those lat pulldowns you don't want to exhaust your lats to a point the arms will take over, if this ever even is an issue if not just do them last.

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go to bed cailer

yes, it's an internet thing, popularized by SL

nobody does them outside of this demographic because they're a garbage-tier row variation

Do you go to Planet Fitness?

>30 y/o is a millennial

>Strength science says that a 100kg x 5 Bench strength should equal to a 80kg x 5 Pendlay Row strength.

Then why do I row half again what I bench?

Damn i just came back from the gym from first time doing full b. feel tired af
>tfw i could barely finish 3x5 bench press with just the barbell
am i ever going to make it?

t. 70 year old millenial

>that 30 yo boomer that thinks he's a millenial

i train back twice a week but ive been doing all those exercises each time. ive only recently started to incorporate pendlay rows
and yeah i do lat pulldowns at the very end. it's not too heavy for me that i really feel it in the lats.
but still, is it worth doing pendaly rows if im already t bars and db?

I didn't say it was 1:1, I said the incline barbell press should be pretty close to your pendlay numbers. I would be surprised if anyone could pendlay row more than their flat bench. At the same time 2 plates vs 1 plate is a big difference. I can pendlay row more than that guy but he has my flat bench covered by at least 20kg, he needs to row more.

They're a geat excercise, don't pay attention to retards. Just mind your form

youtube.com/watch?v=I0uhDZ06hrQ

You will make it, just keep going and ignore anyone telling you otherwise
We're all gonna make it

Me and my two friends who i've taught it to do it at the gym.

Literally the only ones who do it.

That being said, I do a slight variation which uses more hips, and kinda use it as a recovery for the deadlift.

Just do them on different days then. I'm not really a fan of doing them the same day since if you do heavy pendlays 1st you might not get the best out of your t-bar rows and vice versa.

kk good call. thanks

those are great for back. why do you autists think you make no gains unless it's with a barbell

Im pretty aesthetic right now but I really want to know if I should incorporate these into my current workout

Its just that every time I do them I feel like Im doing them wrong

Right now Im doing:
Weighted Pull Ups
Seated Row
Barbell shrugs
and sometimes deadlifts

Is this shit necessary for 10/10 aesthetics???

Is it bad form if I raise my torso during the row?

nah, some shitty no-brand gym in my third world country

Bent-Over Rows are pretty good, desu.

depends how much