If the chin up and pull up have similar back activation, but the chin up allows you to use more volume/weight

If the chin up and pull up have similar back activation, but the chin up allows you to use more volume/weight,

Is there ever a point in doing pull ups when chin ups exist?

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Not really other than to practice climbing.

u will never have to chin yourself up a rocky cliff ur hanging off of. why even lift if u cant save yourself from precarious rock climbing situations?

You can't cheat the system this way. If you find you can put more weight on a chin up than pull up the load will be taken up by increased bicep activity as opposed to brachioradialis. It's not like you can magically make your back stronger like that

You can get better at pullups by doing more chinups and only doing SOME pullups.

This is also correct, it's how a bench specialist might actually primarily train close grip and incline bench and only do competition lifts immediately preceeding a competition or how a sprinter won't actually do all that much sprinting until like two weeks out. Specificity is a meme and I have no idea why it was pushed so hard by Americans.

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That's not an argument against specificity. Those are two nearly identical movements and the carry over is an argument for specificty, being that they're nearly identical or they would not carry over so well. Specificty is a universally true principle.

how many pl8s i need to squat to get this gf?

I've always taken it to mean focusing entirely on the competition form to refine technique. Either way, chin ups/pull ups follow the same logic.
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chinups will always be girl pullups and there is NOTHING you can do about it

source on girl??

chinups are easier because you use your biceps more than when doing pullups

no, bench

Chinups are a bit more bicep tricep and lats
Pullups are little less lat bicep and extra terres major and brachialis.
Pullups are more elbow side to body

Yes: they feel MOAR ALPHA. Seriously though, just do both, focus more on chins and use pull ups as a measure of your progress.

It's better to use movements that require the most weight as it's easier to progressively overload them

Both are similar exercises, but I personally prefer a pull-up with proper form, nice and slow all the way to hanging loose and back to the tippytop of the bar.

Pull-up is best for lat and anterior seratous activation.

Chins are great for biceps development, I mix them in with curls.
But I do them with a neutral grip as it is easier on the wrists and shoulders and the bonus is they strongly recruit both the bicepsandbrachialis, as opposed to just the biceps (as in chin-ups) or the brachioradialis (as in pull-ups).

Under hand grip for chins can lead to elbow tendon issues.

I'm really back dominant and I've never really felt my biceps when doing chins, not evem when doing them weighted with dead stops.
Do I just stick to curls for biceps or is there some sort of trick?

Make your biceps a little sore before doing chin ups, curls will do.
Then you will feel them more, so try to focus on biceps and do main chin up work with them.

Are chinups actually easier? I never do them, but do tons of weighted/unweighted pullups. IDK, it just feels like the more natural movement to use a prone grip.

When you're climbing tree branches, are your hands prone or supine?
When you're climbing a rock wall, are your hands prone or supine?
When you were a kid on monkey bars, did you use your hands prone or supine?

You forgot the neutral grip, this logic applies to it. There's really no point doing with pronated or supinated grip if you can do neutral, unless are a calisthenics or gymnastics guy, neutral is the best option for overall growth.

Is there any point in bringing the bar to your chest instead of the head?

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>choosing between chin ups and pullups
>not doing chin ups AND pullups

you guys really wont make it :(

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"Angle of attack".
Chest is almost like a row equivalent, you pull yourself to the bar, not the bar to you.
Head... is like a reverse OHP?

By that logic, never do highbar and only do lowbar, never do flat bench only do decline, and most importantly, if everyone can lift more sumo like the majority of fit/ thinks they can, lift sumo instead of conventional.

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Just admit you can't do pull ups and that you'd rather lie to yourself instead of doing the hard work

Do both, they're fun.

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Since this thread is about pull-ups and chin-ups, I have a quick question. I'm a fatty that's been losing weight, and I'm just now getting to the point where I can do more than one pull-up and chin-up. Chin-ups really hurt my wrists for some reason, the angle just isn't comfortable for me and it makes me unable to give it my all because of the awkward position of my hands.

Should I just do pull-ups instead or is there a way to grip chin-ups that won't hurt my wrists?

Pullups are better than chin ups anyway. My girlfriend is doing chin ups untill she can do enough pullups to warrant programming it.

how do you grip for chinups ? you could try a neutral grip on them ?

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no but if your back is the limiting factor it will get just as much work either way.

This. Neutral grip Chinups saved my elbows and wrists. I can do +85% weighted Chinups (+150 @ 180lb bw), without wrist or elbow pain using neutral grip - But anything over like +10/+20% of normal chins hurt my wrists, and normal pullups hurt my elbows.

Oh, I didn't know if neutral grip changed the muscles worked by the exercise. I'll give this a shot later today. Thanks!

Why, you're most welcome! :D

is there some gizmo, that can change my door frame mounted pull up bar, so that I can neutral grip on it?

:)

>you pull yourself to the bar, not the bar to you
it's the same thing for your muscles, i meant is it better to go for full rom? it's not that common

a towel of some sort

It was just to illustrate the difference - you can cheat in both pull up and bent row, but the goal ROM wise is to have elbows go behind you (full scapular contraction). And that is best achived when you aim for chest and kinda lead the movement with it.
But again, everyone's different and may react better to different ques.

>no
opinion discarded

chin-ups is better for lats + biceps, pull-ups are better for upper back. I like pull-ups more. If you don't believe me, try both exercises yourself.
>t. 4 years lifting and knows more than you