Daily reminder that no girl ever rejected you because you didn't have muscles

breh, not true at all. I know lot's of girls who cheated on their bf or traded up for a muscular guy.

>A guy with an abundance of one trait might compensate his lacking of another trait.
>might

He might but he won't compensate for a deal breaker. And if you went through school, for years surrounded by young girls with their hormones raging but still somehow remained a virgin - you definitely have some deal breakers. Muscles will not compensate for that.

so you're telling me I need to lift more?

it's not about the girls

No one cares you stupid straightfag. Get the fuck off our board with this shit.

>18 5'10"
>recently left HS
>was benching 315 Senior Year
>was harshly rejected by girls
>only talked to for moving shit in the classroom.
>no one ever mired or even
mentioned my gains besides fellow gym bros and football players.

Dont lift for girls, it does not soley get you pussy. Girls dont give a fuck about muscle, I've seen fat guys at my school get laid while I am a KHV.
Not even dating apps have been a success, girls dont care about you being Jow Forums as long as you arent a land whale ig.

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I wasn't meant for this world

I knew this already but lifting for self-improvement and health is it's own reward.

Also it's not that I lift to get a gf, it's to look like I am a person who most likely already has a gf, so along with studying how normal people speak, and confident body language, no one will suspect I am a Jow Forumsizen.

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>Liking dry pussy
>Implying 35 years old women don't have extremelly low standards
Getting prime puss is all that matters. After 27 women lose all their sexual value and lower their standards dramatically

same experience here. I started lifting at 14 so by the time I was in HS I was at easily 95% of my natty max already after ~3 years lifting. At 6'3" and ripped/athletic, I was the only tall guy in HS that wasn't a lanklet, Despite that, I have similar experiences as yours, although I have never approached a woman in my life - but I didn't get any girls approaching me either, despite being the most built guy in high school.
My face isn't really bad, I'd say it's around 5-5.5 PSL. My jaw is lacking a bit (chin is neutral though) and ears are a bit protruding (could be fixed with surgery), but besides that I don't see any major flaws despite being redpilled on looks.
I also constantly see dyel/fat people in relationships too. Most of the times, these dudes have far worse facial aesthetics than me too, which is what confuses me sometimes. I think it might have to do something with being only average looking facewise and having the introverted/shy personality of a Jow Forums autist that could explain my lack of luck with women

Dude, if you were as swole as you claim and not getting pussy, then you were just a fucking loser.

Being well built and strong = easy pussy in highschool if you're not just completely fucked up in some obvious as hell way.

Girls care exclusively about having the maximum amount of fun and enjoyment possible. She a line-up of guys all trying to get in and she decides who she's going to spend time with based on how much fun she can get out of it. Muscles can be fun, but she's not impressed by your commitment, to your strength, and she has no aesthetic judgment. All she goes by is what is going to make her feel the most fun and enjoyment at that particular time. Women will NEVER put off having fun for something that has more abstract value, something that isn't immediately gratifying.

Your muscles are just a show for her, something she can have fun with or show off to her friends. They don't represent anything, they don't prove anything, to her they are literally just bits of muscle attached to bone. If she perceives that she will get more gratification from spending time with a guy who has no muscles, she'll pick him for however long that lasts. It's that simple.

of course not fuckwit women reject men causd they dont have something.that thing can be money, power, status, asthetics, personality, intelegence, etc. different women values each of these traits to different degrees. also you have to be 18 to go on Jow Forums

Pic related was me, being built and strong doesnt mean shit if youre a awkward Jow Forums cunt like myself who had to sign a fucking safety contract to return to my school district after losing my shit.

Girls gave me weird looks for being the only big guy in school, everyone thought i was on steriods which girls would find pathetic and sad even tho i am natty.

Gains does not equal "easy pussy" and i am only 18 out lifting most adults.

Like I said.
The problem wasn't your gains.
Because gains and being strong = easy pussy.
The problem is that you're fucking offputting and weird.

You even say as much in your own post.
All you have to do is not be retarded and don't try so hard.
That's all.
Let them do most of the thinking and leg work and actually play some sports or do something with those gains that shows them off.

You did nothing.
This is all on you.
You did the equivalent of walk into a vegas whorehouse covered in hundred dollar bills and cocaine and walked out broke, sober and blue balled.

Kys h*mo

This is my experience as well. I wasn't jacked in high school (I started lifting at 23, I'm 31 now) but there were some guys who were and some did get a lot of pussy and some didn't. Same thing with lanklets. Fat guys not so much.

>You did the equivalent of walk into a vegas whorehouse covered in hundred dollar bills and cocaine and walked out broke, sober and blue balled.
Stop being retarded dude. The guy every girl wanted in my HS was a 5”6 skinny manlet with sms. Getting pussy in HS is about status. If you weren’t in the ‘cool’ kids crowd, getting laid becomes a whole lot harder, everyone who didn’t go to a huge highschool knows this. Fuck off with your ‘if you didn’t get laid in HS you’re a failure’ bullshit.

Nevermind the last line, i am misread the OP

>The problem is that you're fucking offputting and weird.
And that aint so easy to fix, i even got sent to therapy during my expulsion and it didnt do shit for me, so simply pretending to be Chad wouldnt work for me.
I dont even approach girls in person all my rejections were from my attempts at dms lol.
I coached in my weight training class, i almost got mad at skelly arguing that his way of half squatting was right. And girls were miring the Chads benching 135 for one rep while i had over 2 plates on my bar.

Status>Gains

Girls only approach when they are drunk and don't fear being called a slut. Going to parties (not the club big difference) is the easiest way an attractive men has to get chicks. I am totally average and get approach by girls while standing autistically drinking
Friends>>>parties>>>>>>>>>>>>yourself when it comes to finding girls. You would be better off making friends that shows you their friends and invites you to parties than working out if you only care about pussy.
Obviously looking nicely and not being a sperg helps but having a social circle is 70% of the job.

Dude, life isn't a 1980's highschool movie with jocks and cool kids.
The losers were pulling pussy just as easy as the KEWL KIDS

You need to grow the fuck up and realize that you're just a fucking moron who screwed it all up for yourself.

Actually there were a couple girls who were interested in my fit friend for the sole reason he was in great shape
Sure he was a facially handsome guy but it’s not as if his face was t improved by being fit
At one point our personalities were basically identical and we’d practically finish each other’s sentences
But the girl I wanted to smash wanted to smash him, and ended up smashing some other friend of ours who was probably the second most in shape

So maybe on a certain level no, but being in shape improves your chances a lot

what a load of trash. i get approached fairly often by girls and they normally comment on my body. of course you need to have a general package - confidence (main), face, social skills etc, but a muscular body can open the door

>Gains does not equal pussy (point of the thread)
>It is being social and laid back that matters
DO YOU AGREE OR NOT?

>of course you need to have a general package - confidence (main), face, social skills etc, but a muscular body can open the door
You don't.
You just have to be a functional human being.
You don't have to be mr.perfect and what not.
Just not a wierd asshole, able to carry a convo and be able to take care of yourself.

That's it.

>i get approached fairly often by girls
Where? On the streets or parties? Because most people here just expect women flooding their cock on the street without putting any effort. Obviously at parties you will get approach by girls (even if you are not fit) but to get into them you need to have some kind of social circle

yeah I never went to parties, I was running that whole "extreme dedication to training" thing where I abstained from alcohol too (still do because I prioritize my health tbqhfammo)
I'm 6'6" these days with the same physique I had in HS (lol at that late growth spurt) and I also looksmaxxed, I get plenty of looks but still no daylight approaches, rip.

Gains definitely help.

But no matter what, Height (which I have) and Face (which I don't have) absolutely BTFO Gains.

Objectively:

FACE > HEIGHT > MONEY >>> FRAME

Oh well, I've accepted that I'm missing that "it" factor that attracts women beyond my looks. Maybe it's that I get too comfortable and relax too soon around them.

How did i screw it up for myself when i never had an opportunity, or even ONE MIRE to go off of? Girls would rather have fucked that popular fat kid with status than the random Jow Forums gymcel.

No, you can get laid while being unsocial and kind of wired.

Don't be an unapproachable weird fucktard, be able to hold a conversation, and be able to take care of yourself.
That's it.
That's all.
Women make up half of the worlds population.
There are at least 5 women on the earth right now who would be down to fuck any one man. Not at the same time of course, but you get my meaning.

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Go LARP somewhere else you idiot.

There is your problem. You don't need to drink to go to a party. If what you are saying is true you just need to stand there, wait until a chick gets tipsy and you would fuck almost for sure even if you are a sperg. Trust me plenty of girls fetishize your body and want to get pounded by a 6'6" muscular beast. Daily approaches by women are extremelly rare and if they happen it is usually by girls that you want to stay away from

Ive tried to talk to girls before, it doesnt work, they simply arent interested in me. Like i said they think i am on steroids so they check out the Chad with "real muscle" benching 135 instead of me even tho i am natty and worked hard for my gains.

I can take care of myself trust me. I know how to dress alright (for a teen), groom myself, fight, hunt and shoot besides lifting.

I am not larping you stupid fuck, do you really think being swole means you are then a pussy magnet? fuck off with your sixpackshortcuts watching ass "abs girls love!" fucking shithead.
I fucking hate you normies.

I wouldn't even know where there are parties anymore, my social circle is pretty tame now due to falling for the STEM meme
And I also don't want to just fuck some slut at a party, I am looking for a committed LTR. But I think my physique might mark me as a "gym douche" for most decent women so I double dun goof'd

>The losers were pulling pussy just as easy as the KEWL KIDS
They weren’t. They were pulling much lower quality pussy. The hottest girls at your school didn’t date the guys everyone thought was a tosser.
>You need to grow the fuck up and realize that you're just a fucking moron
Im the moron? For not chasing hedonistic sex in my prime muscle building and mental development years and focusing on self improvement instead? Sounds like you’re the one who needs to grow up fella. Carry on obsessing about highschool and vagina you fucking loser, I hope telling 18 y/o guys they’re beyond saving on Jow Forums makes you sleep better at night. The only realisations that need to happen are for you to watch ya mouth lad. Benders like you would always talk the most shit in HS, but you’re gonna talk shit to the wrong fella one day my friend.

uh huh...

everything comes back to yourself. i don't believe there's anything as finding happiness within another person, because when you find another person, what will ultimately decide the outcome of the relationship is your personal behavior, drag other people into yourself and you lose all control, and that will just drive you crazy.
now dont get me wrong. i dont mean that other people arent important, or that being with another person isnt important. what im trying to say is that for you to not get fucked up on that other person when they do something you dont like, yet be able to live with them in a way that you dont have to think of them doing dumb shit even though it does happen, you have to be in control to a certain extent. and that matter of control is how well you draw your bounds in what's whos decision (am i deciding a thing for myself, or am i being persuaded) and even more importantly, how well you understand yourself.
the thing with lifting, is that the majority of men will benefit from it greatly in a matter of personal development, again, it comes back to yourself. you wont make another person happy with your lifting, but you will become more pleasant to yourself by lifting and working. it fulfills you. why? i dont know, thats just the feeling that comes out of it. and the more fulfilled of yourself you are, and the more understanding of yourself, the better you will instantly become at understanding others and accepting what happens in life. so will it get you a girlfriend? no. will it make you a better person? yes. does becoming a better person warrant better relationships? it certainly does. that is, if lifting is something that works out your soul, in a way.

Try joining a charity or even church activities.
You will find people that you will know closely and not judge by your looks alone once you grow some ties.
Being passive is not going to help you achieve your goals, and if you want to meet girls you just need to expand your social circle.
Most normies meet their gfs through other friends or the gf of their friends. Just follow their steps

>Actually there were a couple girls who were interested in my fit friend for the sole reason he was in great shape
>Sure he was a facially handsome guy

There you go. Read the OP, read the title of the thread. It's not meant for guys who do okay, it's meant for guys who have been rejected and overlooked who are hoping muscles will make a difference. They won't.

>i get approached fairly often by girls
>of course you need to have a general package

That's what I'm saying. Read the OP, read the title of the thread. It's meant for guys who don't have the "general package" but who are about to sink in years of effort into something that will not help them. Unless they lift for themselves, but I mentioned that in the OP so read it, it's not long.

yeah i mean i'm not walking around with ladies hitting me up 24/7. in fat some of my friends are slayers , handsome guys who have fucked hundreds of girls, and they never get approached by girls in completely mundane scenarios. i and they only ever get approached in more social settings.

Here's an extract from an article written during the Golden Age of Bodybuilding about this exact situation. The article begins describing Eddie as a handsome and well dressed man but very skinny.

>One evening Eddie took his current girl friend to a movie with the full expectation of a little action on the way home. The movie, however, turned out to be an economically produced Italian thriller about a mythical and thinly woven character named Hercules, and it starred an enormous young man named Reg Park who was not the least bit mythical and was about as thinly woven as Grand Coulee Dam.

>Eddie’s girl friend gave a strangled gasp when Hercules strode on to the scene, and for the rest of the show she sat dumbly with her mouth hanging open and her eyes fixed glassily on Reg Park while Eddie gritted his teeth and wished they’d gone to see “Mary Poppins.”

>Eddie’s worries, as it turned out, were not entirely without substance. His girl friend declined a stroll through the park on the way home because, as she pointed out, it was dark in there and a girl might not be safe with the type of protection some of them were stuck with these days. She refused a hamburger but observed that it might be a splendid idea if Eddie ate about a dozen of them. She said goodnight to Eddie at her front door—she had a blinding headache it seemed and couldn’t invite him in—and observed with deep regret that she was going to be frightfully busy in the foreseeable future.

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You look like shit tho, kys

That's my whole point. Gains are an asset but not the DEAL. You need a wide social circle to even get any interest by most women. Once you get it things like face,frame or charm become a factor, but not before that.
If you are lifting to get pussy you are wasting your time unless you are getting into situations when it is going to be useful.

yeah I'm thinking about something in that direction too
there's barely women in my field so I might have to look somewhere else. At the same time, I'm not really looking for casual flings.
Being swole but having old-fashioned values isn't as cool as it sounds (atleast when you're shy). And I really need to start initiating things, I always fall into these "maybe if I lift more they will approach me" mindset (guess I've been doing that for almost a decade now lol), but I think my physique is definitely intimidating these days.

>You need a wide social circle to even get any interest by most women
i'm living proof of the opposite but a wide social circle of course helps massively. it's demonstrably not "necessary" though.

What did you look like and also lift in HS user?

I fucked multiple bitches and teachers on my HS. I was tall and javked as fucked

>It's kind of depressing to know that some things you'll never have no matter how hard you work
No man, you are just a Little pussy.
If you work hard on socializing and being attractiv, you will get pussy in no time.

First you must understand what is being attractiv (read a book), then you go out and Train! If you Train enough (approaching) you will get enough pussy.

Post body

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The thing is that you will want to date some kind of girl, not some random thot. Even if you get approached by women they will probably not be of your taste and will be just looking to fuck you.
If you want to meet a girl that you like you will need to do stuff that girls like that do.
What do you use? Tinder? If you get invited to parties frequently your social circle is way larger than a lot of people here

Ever thought that maybe, just maybe it really IS mostly about personality? I don't know, I always thought it was the fact that I've been fat, but since losing weight and getting lean, it's more and more obvious to me that I have a pretty darn incompatible personality and maybe some mental health issues as well. We are are a bit mad here.

can personality be improved? yes. what about lifting, does lifting improve personality? probably for a lot of men

Cope: the thread

hoffmans' writings are always awesome and you can find and torrent them for free. dudes been dead forever so dont feel bad.

I'm 6'5 and found that there are girls that would fuck you just because you look good without clothes and there are girls who would do the same but they want to be taken out to "dinner" first.
Not every girl on the street is a slut but every slut is a girl. think about it

Lifting means you can kill the men who don't lift and then just rape the girls

That's how it worked in the old days

(OP)
Daily reminder that this is the expression of promiscuity, and a degenerate type of intimacy. True intimacy should not be shown off this way. This is how pornography is born, making affection into public spectacle.
Enjoy rising girls who will change sexual partner like they change dresses, and boys unable to perform any sort of control over their feelings.
You will never know what love is. You neglected your intimacy and lowered your emotions to the level of physical sensations.
This is what emotional circumcision is, you will never get it back. You have been maimed forever.

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>You will never know what love is
A myth women use to keep men