If you don’t incorporate the snatch grip high pull from hand in your workout, you are a moron

if you're not a weightlifter you might as well just do power cleans

>became

You should do both

The I can't do it so I call it the idiot lift lift

what's the point? Maximum force output only happens on lifts you have to get under, high pulls are nowhere near as explosive

t. average weightlifter

Most of the explosive benefit is from the pull not the catch

Because the high pull allows you to control the eccentric portion of the lift more so than the racking portion of the powerclean

Powercleans are a bit more technical, high pulls are much easier and you still get the bang for your buck carry over to athletics nd shit. grab and pull as high as you possibly can.
youtube.com/watch?v=OBuO4VTS4SM
vid related for technique visual, dude is a beast and went from a 11.2 100 meter to a 10.2 from highschool til now.

Klokov has full tutorials on most of the oly lifts

yes, the part where you actually have to pull the bar high enough to get under it. It requires more force output even than a max effort high pull. Wil Fleming talks about it a lot if you want a citation, other weightlifting coaches don't give a shit because it's immaterial to the sport

useful for a weightlifter
not useful for an athlete who will otherwise be doing pulls and RDL with a focus on eccentric if they're not amerilard

if your argument is that high pulls > power cleans, see above re: force and explosivity

if your argument is do both then sure I guess, but I'll probably stick with football and rugby coach recommendations to do more powers

ultimately the technical aspect of power cleans are pretty overrated when you have shit form but max explosiveness from the likes of Saquon Barkley who can clean 4pl8 only doing power cleans

Who is this? ideal physique

@mikejdewar

Wtf is with this meme?
Just deadlift, ohp and row like a non autist.

Because the high pull is a great way to hit the rear delts, traps, rhomboids, the posterior chain and the develop explosiveness

Imagine giving a Ted talk after Paradigm Shift 2070. Shit is played out

>if your argument is that high pulls > power cleans, see above re: force and explosivity

You're probably right about cleans being better than just high pulls. I'm not really into weightlifting and you definitely sound more knowledgeable in that regard. I'm just a big believer of keeping training simple and using better bang for your buck lifts. I have more experience in sports, primarily sports that have to do with running fast. Highpulls are just easier to perform and track your progress with (to then progressively overload). You can't just expect some highschool football player to be able to perform a powerclean safely without taking hours and hours to teach it and/or to fix mobility issues that could be used for something else. At the end of the day both lifts are effective at increasing force production and explosivity.

ok, but you probably need to establish a minimum height to ensure the athlete isn't cheating. This is obviously self-imposed on power cleans (if you can't catch it it wasn't high enough) but on high pulls you probably need to ensure bar reached at least nipple height without rebend

You're vastly overrating the difficulty of doing a power clean. It's not a complicated, technical lift. Any decent athlete can do it without much instruction. There are also practically no mobility issues to speak of.

The squat and bench are more difficult lifts to get right, yet nobody seems to have any issue telling people to do them.

If you don't bodybuild and do no martial arts training, you are a moron, period.
Enjoy looking like shit and not even knowing how to defend yourself in a street fight lmao.

you're trolling

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That's OP.
Building your body implies getting objectively stronger in terms of muscle torque(something that's not significantly improved by quick lifts alone) and building muscle mass.
High pulls suck balls at doing both.
Also, quick lifts like variations of snatches and cleans are objectively significantly inferior to even fucking jumping in terms of power output.

jackedathlete.com/olympic-lifts-dont-optimize-explosive-power/
>Study #1: In a group of college weightlifters who had weightlifted for at least 2 years, a mid thigh pull (clean pull) produced peak power at 2,204 Watts on average. In a bodyweight vertical jump, they averaged 6,931 W.
>Study #2: In a Power Clean, a group of athletes produced peak power at 4,787 Watts on average. When these same athletes do a bodyweight vertical jump, they averaged 6,437 W.
>Study #3: In university football and volleyball players who had routinely cleaned for 2+ years, a hang clean produced peak power at 3,532 Watts and a vertical jump produced peak power at 4,384 W.

Even fucking calisthenics and martial arts would make you objectively tougher than any high pullingcel, it's just the truth.
Check the article for studies referenced.

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flexibility in cleans will lead to a lesser chance of ankle injury due to being used in a dynamic movement under stress so it is worth it to learn the technique for football

>dude, just jump and shrug lmao

You are an absolute muppet.

youtube.com/watch?v=0tzjcEgPWpM
youtube.com/watch?v=2R7LrEjWpGs

Sam buried it. They're just embarrassing themselves at this point.

You know I'm right though that's why you give 0 arguments in favour of high pulls, it's literally just bullshit weightlifting dogma taking precedent instead of what actually works.
bodybuilding+martial arts is a much better way to get physically powerful.
I mean even fucking power cleans SUCK in favour of BODYWEIGHT jumps, how can you even defend this shit?

Because the eccentric part of the movement increases your bodies capacity to take rapid loads

Most top tier grapplers are jacked, you don't have to pick one or the other, you can be both.
Retards gymcelling with their pathetic lift specific exercises like high pulls are wasting their time, since they're neither getting jacked or overall strong, they're just getting better at high pulls.

You mean what you get from squatting?
There's 0 need in doing any quick barbell lifts, 0.

Snatch grip high pulls unironically work your traps harder with less weight desu

No. It’s completly different

Garbage technique

No it's not completely different.
Furthermore you can change the speed with which you squat, 0 need to do any quick lifts.

>t.retard

You actually didn’t read the article you posted did you?

0 arguments le ebin green text you're wrong I'm right XDDD

get shat on faggot

Yeah I did read it, you didn't appearently, quick lifts are not only inferior but also literally unecessary compared to the most basic of exercises like jump squatas and fucking deadlifts.

stop spamming threads faggot

For pure power? Maybe.
But read the caveats at the bottom

>snatch grip high pulls
>not snatch grip deadlifts

no lie bros snatch grip deadlifts (especially done from a deficit) will blow your shit up quick.

Who?

If you manage to fuck yourself up doing this then it's just natural selection tbqhwy senpai

Literally this