Stronglifts 5x5 or Starting Strength?

If you're too much of a pussy/retard to learn how to do cleans you can do high pulls/speed deadlifts instead and get virtually the same training response.

I always wondered why people seem so set on SS and SL when Reg Parks is also available.

I actually had to switch my OHP from 3x5 to 5x5 because I wasn't getting results

Literally makes no difference. U do it for 6 month to 1.5 yrs while have linear gains then move on. Literally no one will see any noticeable change. Reg Park's beginner tho is better than either

I like starting strength more. Personally, I'd rather clean and do pullups/chinups at the end of each day than row.

Pffft
An adult man is 200lb or more; I'd like to see them do chinups with no prior exercise experience

This. If you’re just starting it doesn’t matter just do either one consistently

just do deadlifts at a reduced intensity instead, 5x3@80% of your 1x5 would work

no you absolutely do not do SS or SL for 1.5 years, if you do this you have done something incredibly fucking wrong and you are not doing the program

I always see this question but it's never answered. It's like Reg parks is invisible and only chosen people can see it.

If linear progression continues without stalling and you are using micro plates then you are doing it right. Chances of that happening are low though.

GSLP is far more fun, because it has upper body focus and doesn't make you squat fucking three times per week.

1. you do not microload squat or deadlift
2. if LP continued for 1.5 years, starting with the bar, you would be squatting 1215x3x5 without accounting for resets (which you only get three of, and they are only 10%)

if you do an LP program for 1.5 years, you didn't do the program correctly, you reset way more times than was intended and you wasted your time when you should have been moving to intermediate programming with higher volume and less of a focus on grinding RPE 10 reps every session

Kek this made me kek

The perfect program for shoulder muscle inbalances and no upper back development.

Is microloading squat really a crime (LP or not)? If you go up 2.5 lbs per session on SS, that would still be 7.5 lbs / week which is not bad progress IMO.

Reg Park 5x5

Why wouldn't you add these in yourself?

it's not a crime, but when you consider variability in plate weight (a 45 is not a 45, it can be a 43, or a 46, etc.) and how big that error is in an absolute sense when you're dealing with squat or deadlift vs. bench or press microloading quickly becomes useless unless you own your own weights/mark the weights at your gym

microloading sq/dl is just stupid really, if you are only capable of putting 5lbs on your squat a week you move to intermediate programming

trying to extend your novice LP at all costs is not productive, everyone but Mark Rippetoe seems to realize this by now, all of his reputable programming coaches like Andy Baker and guys who split off like baraki and feigenjew recommend that you transition to intermediate programming sooner, not later

>unironically 3x8
Higher rep ranges are less demanding on the body and will give the same amount of muscle mass.
Hypertrophy will get you stronger in the long term as you got a bigger motor. Strength alone is mostly a skill.

Does not matter. It's probably only gonna last you about 3 months before you stall and will have to change to an early intermediate routine.
Just be sure to eat a lot and sleep 8 hours at night and you will get strong.

Intermediate routines are a meme. Stalling means lack of recovery. You have to eat and sleep more, and do more volume with less intensity.

This

Not one of you autistic fags can power clean, get a coach or do rows instead

By that logic you can become 400lbs and get a 3pl8 bench by doing SS for a year because you won't stall. Stalling also means lack of sufficient training stress (lack of volume). Just keep on increasing your volume slowly over the years and you will get strong eventually. It's a marathon not a sprint.

Kek leave summer dyel bitch.

>7x3 in 60 minutes
>3x10 in 15 minutes
Same amount of hypertrophy muscle mass.

>60 minutes for 7 sets
Resting over 3 minutes for submaximal sets is ridiculous and you should really increase your work capacity.
Also it's not either or, do both when the time's right.

"A recent study by Brad Schoenfeld illustrated this point beautifully. Two groups of lifters either did 3×10 or 7×3 with the heaviest loads they could lift. At the end of 8 weeks, the group doing sets of 3 gained more strength, but both groups gained the same amount of muscle. Ironically, a lot of strength athletes jumped all over this study, saying, “See, I can get swole doing my heavy triples!” without noticing two major caveats: The 3×10 workout only took 17 minutes, whereas the 7×3 workout took 70, and the subjects in the 3×10 group all wanted to train more, whereas the subjects in the 7×3 group were wrecked by the end of the study."

Too many exercises. All you need is:

Squat 3x5
Press 3x5
Deadlift 1x5

Three non consecutive days a week.

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Yes

What is your goal OP?
>SS 3x5 is a strength program
>SL 5x5 is a powerbuilding program
The only difference is the volume. 10 sets per week is a nice starting point for hypertrophy. When you stall 3 times you should deload, reduce intensity and increase volume. But the main cause of stalling is lack of sleep and eating

Well it really depends on what his goal is. If it is to get strong at the big three, then sure.

If you max out linear progression on the squat, overhead Press, and deadlift, you will have a solid base for anything else.

>law of specificity
If you max out you linear progression on the OHP, you'll get good at the OHP, and probably suck at the bench.

yeah especially for pullups you idiot

>no arms or upper back
Lol

>you'll get good at the OHP, and probably suck at the bench.

Bench press is a useless exercise with no application beyond powerlifting and big titty body builders. Just do push-ups for chest asthetics.

Like I said, it depends on what your goals is

Most beginners can’t do pull-ups and waste time with negatives. Maxing your deadlift on LP will improve your grip strength and give you a base for pull-up training.

i did stronglifts 5x5 to start then right to madcow.
following both you'll be one of the strongest in most gyms u go to, but you'll look weak
t. look dyel but closing in on 1.5/3/4/5

how are negatives a waste of time? grip strength isnt the limiting factor, back strength is. and you'll have to do them anyway if you want to get better back

Squats, OHP, and Deadlifts all engage the back musculature.

if you have 3 hours for the gym

Doesn't matter.
>Pick one
>Do it until you stall
>Reset once
>Go Intermediate

The entire point of the programs are to run some very quick strength gains that can be used to branch out into another specialisation - i.e. bodybuilding, powerlifting, Olympic sports, etc.

If you've run it longer than 6months you either A) started with the bar, you fool. B) you're not doing the program or C) you have insane genetics or you read rippetoes caloric requirements and took them to the next level and superbulked.

I ended at 1.5/2/3.5/3.75pl8 for 3x5 (1x5 DL) on stronglifts after about 6months of training at the end of last year. Im glad I did it, and if you're a noob, so should you.

Kek'd

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>No hyperthrophy training
>No biceps
>Fucking long ass, boring sessions that grind you into dust
>T-rex mode

Just do pic related ffs.

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SS with necessary reading of the actual book that explains the routine in depth is still the best beginner routine on paper. Making it such a tough routine to follow makes it not so good in practice for many lifters who just do it recreationally. SS requires a lot of discipline and motivation. From GOMAD, to appropriate rest, to being arsed to squat three times a week.
SL on the other hand is just a dumb copy by a literal dyel. It is not worth mentioning for beginners.
So far, after five years of lifting, I think that the best routine for a beginner is the one that encourages him to hit his body three times a week with compound movements without overdoing volume so ideally linear progression can be achieved as long as possible.

Neither
fucking lift you dumb shit. At the end of the day you're going to find you'll still hate yourself and neither one of those meme programs will make you attractive.

SS

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Neither. There's a reason why 95% of all people who start with SS or SL have shit bodies. Just fuckin lift.