I have next to no fighting experience (besides having played organized American football for 12 years, if that even counts). What martial art is most worth my time, if I only want to ensure I can hold my own in a street fight?
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grappling with some proper boxing technique (to learn how to throw a proper punch without fucking up your hand/wrist)
Wrestling
Deciding if the fight goes to the ground or stays up is so fucking crucial, and most people don't know what to do once their in a body lock
Judo and boxing. people who say to use bjj in a street fight are autists. also learn to throw a proper elbow just in case.
Boxing teaches you how to outmaneuver your opponent, increases reflexes, and builds stamina.
Judo teaches you how to get your opponent on the ground which puts you at an immediate advantage. With your size and football background it should be an easy transition.
What if an opponent has the weight advantage on me?
Out of the two, which would you emphasize more? I have never thrown a punch at another human being in my life, so I don't want to fuck my hands like mentioned
emphasize boxing.
Technique beats explosive power
Look at the Miocic vs Ngannou fight
Dude is much bigger and he just clinched and moved until he tired the guy.
Boxing/muay thai + bjj/judo/wrestling
You need an art for both standing up and ground fighting.
Most fights go to the ground, but you also gotta know how to defend yourself before that too.
I recommend Boxing or Muay Thai for stand up game and BJJ for ground.
Also stuff like Krav Maga for weapons.
If you can put the time, effort and is licky enough to find a non-McDojo then Krav Maga.
If not then the next best thing would be either Boxing or Muay Thai.
MMA is probably about the best you could hope for
If you dont care about accidentally murdering someone, krav maga is good if you have a good instructor and do actual sparring.
>People unironically falling for the krabby magoo meme
So far, I'm seeing the consensus at boxing/BJJ. Thanks bros. Any approximation for amount of training it takes for each to hold your own against an average human being?
What makes you say it's not a good system?
>These techniques were literally invented to give soldiers an effective hand to hand fighting toolset and train them up in a minimal amount of time
>but LEL ITS A MEME HEHEHE
No one ever substantiates this claim. Every martial art is a meme with a shit instructor.
No competition, poor fundamentals, 2dedly nonsense being by definition untrainable, no means of independent verification of trainer credentials and no evidence of efficacy (no, MUH MILITARY is not evidence.)
How do you tell a good KMA school? Tough cunts training there instead of soccer mums? Instructor who has trained in something else and competed, or taught hand-to-hand to military? Sparring in kickboxing/wrestling sort of style? Active sparring with training weapons to test out disarms?
I know it's "developed by examining natural instinctive responses when under pressure/adrenaline" but is it better than other systems like traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Silat, Systema that emphasise a lot of eye gouges, throat punches, joint locks/breaks, etc.
Also assuming you find a good school (that doesn't cost the same as weekly rent or grocery bill) then what is the most important thing to pair with it?
Boxing so you can punch properly not just face shove/eye gouge? Grappling because it might lack this? Maybe weapons training if it doesn't teach much of that besides disarms?
>but is it better than other systems like traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Silat, Systema that emphasise a lot of eye gouges, throat punches, joint locks/breaks, etc.
Everything you listed there is LARP faggotry with the exception of silat which is, at least, shitty kickboxing.
>What martial art is most worth my time, if I only want to ensure I can hold my own in a street fight?
Wasn't krav maga literally made for this?
Krav maga is basically muay thai, kickboxing, and some other shit put together in a way that the military finds effective, so you are basically shitting on those other martial arts when you put a blanket shit statement on krav maga like that.
>untrainable
So shooting must be untrainable too since it is lethal when implemented in self defense, right?
There is nothing special about lethal techniques like punching someone in the throat or kneeing their guts or face in when clinching, but you do need to know the actual techniques to perform them. You can spar with some protective gear and an understanding not to murder your partner, you can even still KO when sparring. In a sparring setting it is similar to MMA.
Shooting is trainable in a variety of ways with resisting opposition.
Eye gouge and 2dedly bullshit is not trainable in any reasonable way on a resisting opponent.
Military combatives are universally shit as anyone who has served can attest. I had a mate with 2 tours of Afghanistan come train with me and he got his shit pushed in by a 47 year old accountant.
Show me a single instance of krabby magoo working in self-defense. Because i can show you hundreds of bjj and boxing doing so.
So Krav is the same category or is it better
I thought at least Systema would be decent (at a good school)
I’d recommend judo over BJJ, but that’s mostly just preference if you’re a decent boxer.
Systema is 100% vodka larp. Sambo is taught to russian armed forces. Every single source I've found on systema in relation to armed forces links back to a systema website.
Bullshido has regular throwdowns which are open to any style. Guess who regularly wins? Muay thai and bjj guys.
when it comes to self defense in a one on one situation bjj is the best, any other situation and I recommend just running away
Also on the amount of time it takes to beat the average person, if you’re physically fit, is 4 months of boxing, and 6-8 months judo (less if you focus your autism on a few throws). Can’t tell you about the others haven’t done them.
in other words mma
no martial art will help you with a street fight. Street fighting has no rules and no form, and its not about honor. Its about surviving.
Be aware of your surroundings and take advantage of them, if you bash someones head in with a brick so be it.
The best way to tell a decent KM school is by the affiliation of it. IKMF and KMG Instructors would be first place I'd look if you're unsure. The Instructor course for them are 20 days long and run by Israeli experts who don't fuck around. If there is none of them get back to this thread and lemme know man.
t.ex IKMF and KMG Instructor
I can guarantee you have never trained in any system you are bagging.
Also, anyone who thinks taking someone to the ground in a street fight is a good idea has never been in an actual street fight. Sure a BJJ guy might tie up the dude on the ground but his drinking buddies are gonna stomp your head in before you do anything effective. Also, no weapons training.
make a pipebomb
>organized American football
The focus of white to blue belt in bjj is literally escaping and getting back to your feet, friendo.
If weapons are involved the best style is wallet give-fu or good 800m time jutsu. If you want to get stabbed trying your jackie chan disarm you've only practiced on a compliant opponent knock yourself out though.
T.Idiot who has no idea how handy an elbow to the face, throwing someone on concrete on their head, or simply good boxing skills are and has never fought before
Can I get some advice? I take the standard advice of MT/boxing and bjj/judo/wrestling being very legit.
I've done a little bjj before another white belt fucked my ankle up which took a long time to fully recover from. I wasn't impressed by the school but I'm sure there are some good ones amongst them (there's a lot of options and they are mostly expensive af). I liked grappling and would like to learn more throws and stand-up grapple/clinch so I'm planning on Judo, and maybe some bjj.
What's the better striking art to go with this? There's lots of good-looking (as in basic website, charging a reasonable amount) schools around me for both MT and boxing (but no judo gyms until I move in a few months). Is learning a bit of boxing before judo a good thing, or if I want to get the best ad Judo should I focus on that first, for a decent amount of time before adding something alongside it?
And is 6-8 months of boxing then a few months of MT enough to get the basics of boxing with decent punches, and learning what kicks look like? Mostly I want to avoid the excessive risk of TBI from boxing, and partly for this reason I'd rather spend more time grappling (no homo) but I see the benefit of learning some striking basics.
OP here. Not trying to kill anybody and have the US court system invariably fuck me over, even if I claim "self-defense."
From what I understand, learning martial arts helps you establish the mindset of developing a plan when the time comes. I'm not sure where I heard this from, but I think it goes "when all goes to shit, you're only as good as your training" or something like that.
I want to be able to develop the muscle memory so I'm not some knuckle-dragging, flailing retard when some Chad wants to pick a fight with me at the bar
Of course someone who trains and spars regularly is going to beat someone who doesnt. What you're describing is similar to an ex military dude competing against someone who casually competes in IPSC in a pistol match, of course the person who competes will absolutely dominate if the military dude isnt some kind of special ops guy,
If you train krav maga at someplace that isnt a mcdojo, it will be similar to MMA when you spar, but you have the additional tools that krav maga gives you that aren't allowed in martial arts like nutshots, throat shots and knee shots. Sparring fights still often boil down to who is the most conditioned and able to adapt to the situation and read their opponent.
It might be the focus but that doesn't make it effective when youre getting beaten up friendo, better off just not going to ground.
Not everyone with a weapon wants your wallet and sometimes running away isn't the best option. You may be walking with someone who ca;t run away like you can so I guess training in weapons defence AND multiple opponents AND Third Party Protection is a worthwhile idea when dealing with a street fight.
Please tell me what belt BJJ covers those subjects in?
Wrestling is really king.
I'd suggest not going to dive bars would be the best solution. I've literally never encountered the situation you describe as i dont hang with retards.
If you want discipline then I'd suggest bjj or judo.
Yeah thanks there's some of those (there's a few chains of schools within each one too, would this be much variance?) and they do look more legit than a couple of independent "my style is superior"-looking places.
The price though lmao. Maybe I'll stick to something else because I could get gym membership, 2 times week for each of 2 different MA's plus a high-class escort every week for the same price as their weekly membership.
Thank you, user
Anything claiming to fulfill what you described is utter bullshit m8. Sorry to burst you bubble.
The best solution is don't live around niggers or spics and such a context won't arise.
As always, boxing/muay thai/kickboxing + judo
Krav Maga
What exactly does KM do that you can't get a kickboxing, BJJ, or MMA place?
It's not like they have full contact competitions.
It's such a unicorn that I doubt they actually exist in the wild.
Sambo is just Russian folk-wrestling + judo. It's legit.
If cheap, go for it. If overpriced, don't.
No worries man. As long as the Instructors got their certificates from the IKMF or KMG you shouldnt have a problem. The chains of schools would be those instructors opening their own schools but still teaching the brand they learnt. They need to keep up to date with certification as well.
Thats shit about the price, I trained for free for a long time before I became and instructor then didn't have to pay so I was unaware of the price these days.
Muay Thai and BJJ would be the next best but won't cover the more 'street' aspects of a fight
Honestly any sport would be good, but if you want to do striking before grappling I think MT may be better for judo, as you can switch from clinch to a lot of throws, although that’s hearsay and may just be bullshit. I did boxing before judo and having quick hands does help a bit. Also I think 6-8 months should get you the basics of striking down. If there’s no judo near you, sure focus on striking over judo.
>that feint
>that perfect placement on the jaw
It really is a beautiful KO
>Burst my bubble
Trained it and used it my man. Bubble remains intact. You have ZERO KNOWLEDGE of anything you're saying but keep trying to argue.
Being able to stop a weapon or protect someone around you who can't do it themselves shouldn't be so mind boggling to anyone with even a little experience. keep youtubing other peoples opinions though. I'm done here.
Multiple opponents, weapons training (attack vs threat etc), situational awareness, third party protection (looking after your drunk mate etc), training defences not allowed in any ring sport.
Nothing wrong with the MA's you mentioned man at all. Would never shit on any of them but they are sports done in a refereed, control environment with rules. There are no rules in a street fight.
>tfw no one to train combat sambo in MD/DC area
I just want a place to know how to throw and strike man.
Gotta do
Sucks but what you gonna do
Kali
The deadly weapon martial art.
muay thai, it's straight strikes with your leg and hands and elbows.
>Would never shit on any of them but they are sports done in a refereed, control environment with rules. There are no rules in a street fight.
You think people who trained Martial Arts cannot also fight with no rules? I can fight without rules too retard. The difference is I can do it better and more accurate than you. You think because I wrestled in high school and college that I won't do a five point throw or lock my hands on the ground because I am used to rules? While you spent time doing stupid shit like practicing nut shots and eye pokes, I was spending grueling hours practicing sprawls, take downs, clinches, escapes, etc against people who also spent thousands of hours practicing the same thing. Do you know how fast the average high school varsity wrestler can take someone down? You're not going to get some super sweet nut shot to wrist lock combo on them. The average high school wrestler will change levels, lift you into the air, and slam you into the ground. You think you're going to hit the sweet spot eye poking some guy who does boxing? A guy who practices regularly to gauge timing and distance, while simultaneously keeping proper head movement and foot work to avoid being struck? You are a fucking retard.
It's called carrying a weapon. Your whole kung fu shit goes out the window once 3 guys roll up on you and your roastie landwhale of a GF and decide they wanna fuck you up
>3 guys
Make it at least 5 I’ve got decent odds with 3.
KM places don't stress test against resisting opponents for shit. Fuck off with your Jewjitsu bs
No you don't
something that involves at least 2 of the 4 main pillars of mma
>striking
boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, or a good karate school (must spend most of their time on pad work and drills, not forms and 2-steps. tiger schulman's is okay i hear)
>clinching
muay thai. no other art spends a whole lot of time here
>wrestling
pretty self explanatory. sport jiu jitsu is good, but there are holes. a top-tier bjj gym will have a lot of wrestling tho.
>grappling
submissions, passes, throws, sweeps, etc. judo and bjj are great grappling arts, but bjj is more complete. if your bjj school does not do much from standing position, try to grab a training partner and work on TDD and throws. make sure any rolling you do outside of class starts from a standing position.
>also
supplement technique work with extra conditioning work and steady state cardio. get to the point where you are doing some form of (productive) training at least 5-6 days a week.
Litterally just walk away.
>BJJ
>more complete
Wot BJJ focuses freakishly long on ground work how is it more complete
as opposed to drilling seoi nage 50x in a row?
judo starts standing every time, which is great, but has a much more limited scope of combat. when you hit the mat, you only have so much time before the ref brings you up. even if you're not training to compete specifically in judo, there is really a small window in which your judo works.
in bjj, you can be on top, bottom, start standing or on the ground, and still have access to many of your tools. bjj is all about transitioning into a more advantageous position to finish an opponent, rather than just focusing on taking their opponent down.
Street fights don't necessarily let people display martial arts skills. If your motivation is to be able to survive a chance street encounter because you live in a bad area or hang out at mixy clubs than the best thing to do is take krav maga classes if only just for the common sense advice the instructor will give you about situations.
BJJ is a necessity for any serious cage fighter but the floor is the last place you want to be when there are other people mobbing around you while you get just one guy into an armbar.
If your concern isn't getting stabbed/shot/bottled/stomped out and you just want striking skills to look cool then learn muay thai.
Learn to make a pipebomb
Doesnt matter if you train for the streets or sport
Doesnt matter how many people you are up against
Doesnt matter how big or expensive that gun or knife was
Doesnt matter if they are bigger or stronger then you
Nothing instills more fear nor harms more people then a well placed pipebomb
Why train moves that may or may not work, when with the same amount of time and money you can create a device that even soldiers who are better trained for combat then any street fighter or cage fighter, fear?
nothing beats a well placed pipebomb
a fight can always be prevented unless your maliciously jumped. This is an easy fix. Stay away from black people and mexicans and your probability of a fight just went to .0000000000000000000000000000000001%
Then you pick them up and launch them one, unless they also happen to be an amazing wrestler. In which case I don't think any other martial art would leave you better prepared for what this guy is gonna do. Unless he's fat as hell, and car barely move, in which case don't worry about it
I would like to see if any one on this board or even this thread practice martial arts even for a year.
Any martial art will help you. Train what you can... Different ranges and ways of attacking.
Any thing in MMA is the barometer for unarmed fighting.
After that weapons are next.
melee weapon (kali)
and pistol (a martial art it's self)
bottom line practice enough to the point you not stupid enough to use it in a street fight...
>Tips fedora
You’ve never been to a single class so how can you comment on an entire system?
I hope you practised all those fancy moves with another 1-2 people also attacking you man bc last time I saw a fight it wasn’t 1v1 so your super sweet mega takedown you’ve done 2000 times just got guzumped by a kick to the head from the guys mate. Hope the thousands of hours playing sports you did was worth it.
OP, don't bother about shit like that unless you grew up with a street attitude. Street fighting and martial arts are completely different things despite of what people want to tell you. Stay away from street fights. I'm from Cyprus and I can't tell you how many times I've seen tourists (mostly Brits) fuck with the wrong people and end up getting stabbed or just brutally beaten up. Real "street people" are crazy idiots.
Just learn to box. 90% of street fights won’t last more than a few punches before getting broken up.
I wrestled all through highschool and it’s helped me tremendously in fights, but more in the sense of “I can take someone to the ground and hug him for 30 seconds before shit gets broken up” and I’ve honestly always regretted not knowing how to throw a proper punch.
Jumping someone is the most effective fighting technique by far if you don’t want to carry a weapon. But for that you’d need friends.
Why are you larping?
About what?
Kick boxing. Most people don't consider kicks until one of you is on the ground so using them when the other guy isnt expecting it helps a lot.
what are you implying here
this
Wrestling / judo to slqm/throw people on the curb.
Carry a clear plastic bottle with you and fill it with hydrochloric acid . The acid won't melt the bottle and makes it look like you are just carrying water.
Then splash the water on your attacker
Its what they do in Europe right now
>People memeing krav maga
LOL good luck with that. Around minute 8 the fight starts. The rest of the video is also hillarious if you speak Spanish. Most Krav Maga gyms are scams. The dude has been training it for 18 years keep this in mind when you see the fight against a jock with 4 years of fighting experience
Krav Maga and similar things sound good in theory but I can't imagine them in practice. all those intricate moves and shit in a street fight where there's a lot of adrenaline and usually alcohol don't seem particularly effective.It's a chaos of pushing, screaming, punching, grunting, spitting, biting and there's usually not much time to start doing that Jason Bourne shit.
I'd recommend boxing, even though whenever I got into a fight I forgot the technique completely. But it got me used to violence and fighting, and that mentality is 50% of the street fight imo.
You get used to the idea of eye gouging and can do it correctly if you land the hit. Someone who is not aggressive enough will give you enough time for that. Or you might luck out.
aikido
>how to get shot 101
only if you live in america though, in europe you'll be laughed at and get your ass kicked
What's with krav maga being memed as a military special forces 2deadly4u martial art? The instructor I have just teaches basics each session and a lot of the time the classes are just variations on reminding people about situational awareness, strikes, kicks, blocks, and how to run away safely and quickly as possible. I've seen nutshots being done but never eye gouging.
>I have next to no fighting experience
Impossible.
>American "white"
Oh. Lol.
if your opponent as weight advantage, wrestling is the only way, choke them, armbar them because punching won't do shit, but you can still break them by twisting their joints
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I don't know. Probably marketing or whatever. But I think stuff like eye gouges groin kicks etc can work, though I never done it myself and only did judo/muay thai. I think one way to safely eye gouge without breaking your fingers is to hit dude's face with an open palm so that it's grabbing his face and then you slide your hand down his face until you get to his eyes, and I think actual combat sambo has some grabs where you put fingers in the eyes/under eyebrows and sorta hook from there or something, and that their default stance blocks kicks to the balls.
Defendu
run into them full force and kick their legs when theyre on the ground
Yeah in competition you have a short time, during most practice sessions you get around 5min of back to back and rolling or till someone can pin/hold you 25 seconds and they can’t get out.
Wrestling is SS + GOMAD.
The rest is fluff & pump. Okay if you've already built your base but if you can't wrestle you're just faking it.
If you can't wrestle, your fighting game is like Kai Greene's body: not a coherent whole, but a collection of freaky parts.