Advice from someone who's trained and been streetfights

>Hit first. Hit. First.
Won't that land you in jail?

nobody goes to jail after one assault charge unless you're a scumbag with priors or the guy dies

better him than you, hit first like op said

Would you recommend ducking or slipping punches to counter or going all out attack?

>inexperienced
Well that's the tough part
Mr. Skeletal might be more experienced in street fights than me, as i'm the kind of guy who likes fighting sports but not fucking other people up, he's the opposite, what to do if he turns out to know how to streetfight?

Also that guy deserves every single bit of it

Depends on what he does beforehand. If he shoves you or spits on you crack him. You can easily say that he tried to throw you to the ground and were afraid so you had to defend yourself.

What works better, boxing or bjj for street fights?

Best advice I can give is don't fight people who have been in many more fights than you. If you do have to fight him throw straight punches. Shorter path to the target and interrupt the hooks that make up 90% of the punches street brawlers throw. Practice turning your shoulder up to protect your chin as in picture with red gloves.

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what do you do when someone puts you in a rear chokehold?

>Don't try to dance around and jab if you aren't trained. They will just try to tackle you.
I learnt this the hard way, luckily I was stronger so could push him back and go to work

Hard question. Most of the time street fights end up in some from of wrestling. A lot of guys that know BJJ will concede being taken down because they feel comfortable. Never concede being under someone in a street fight! Wrestling and Judo are both very good to learn. Judo will let you end a fight in one maneuver sometimes but has the real potential to seriously injure that person as you're throwing them head first onto a floor or concrete.

Ah, man, putting your shoulder up is preschool tier knowledge
I train boxing pretty regularry, i just do it solo

I'm just kind of worried that i might fuck up the whole fight in one essential thing
Also thanks of the advice, many fitanons are ripped but don't really know how to properly fight

Just trying to give basic pertinent advice. Good on you for training yourself for the eventuality you foresee. Don't want to assume people know things they might not. Its kind of funny but in my experience the more buff a guy is the less he has any fundamental knowledge how to fight. Its usually those lean, stringy mean mugging guys that can throw down.

If the choke is sunk in you're fucked.

Fight their hands. Two on one the hand grabbing the one around your neck and strip their grip apart. Tuck your chin as hard as you can and remember to keep breathing. There are a ton of BJJ videos online that do really good demonstrations for 2 on 1 hand fighting in a RNC.

How to develop a fast and effective punch?

The main difference is psychological. In a street fight or assault there's an immediate traumatic element there, whereas in sparring or competition it's either not there at all or under a different mask.

Yeah, no shit a real fight involves max strength, speed, and aggression. Obviously it's not going to be like in sparring where people aren't trying to hurt each other badly. Sparring absolutely trains you to fight properly, it makes your instinctual movements more likely to be correct, and also more effective. Thinking that sparring is pointless because it's only training you to spar better at a certain intensity is totally wrong.

The real issue is that most of us are unable to properly confront (or first recognize) the traumatic element of real life violence. People who get their asses kicked are the ones who can't, and think that acting as if it were a sparring session will make them successful. It is that they're scared, but fundamentally it's that the traumatic element of the event is so alien and immediate that they don't know how to react properly. They send their minds off to the safe place of sparring rather than confronting what's actually happening.

When you're involved in real life violence you need to be prepared to actually be incredibly violent yourself. There's no two ways about it. If you're being attacked you have to absolutely damage the other person unless you clearly have total control (like a BJJ black belt subduing a fat, drunk retard at McDonalds or something). If someone tries to start shit with you, be adamant about not being interested, but don't back down or you'll feel like shit. Simply stay firm and in control of yourself, and if they do attack you then that's when you go for it. You have to use maximum intensity (only possible under such circumstances) to break them early. This isn't a long sparring match or competition. There's no room for reserving energy. You just smash them with whatever skills you have.

OP here and this is a very good post honestly. I've always been an incredibly violent person and used martial arts to temper that side of myself. When a fight does break out try to fucking kill the other guy. Know you have to fight and fight hard or else you might get killed or maimed. That is how I always viewed it and I've ended a lot of fights in seconds by being startling brutal and aggressive.

yeah I know that much

Thanks for the advice. Currently watching some videos, it was also mentioned that I should put my shoulder up in addition to tucking my chin.

Shoulder up is correct. Put the shoulder up on their elbow side and tuck your chin towards the crook of their elbow.

LOL "NOBODY GOES TO JAIL"

Wrong, absolutely wrong

My father works in a court, you'd be surprised how many ASSHOLES end up in prison for 2-3 months after getting into stupid fucking street fights.

Don't fight and if you live in a shithole where you must fight, put your energy into education and a job so you can get the fuck away

I wrestle folkstyle better than at least 99.9% of human males but know nothing else, what should I learn first?

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How to ground and pound and judo. Folk style wrestling is an amazing base for fighting. I've had good experiences showing up to MMA gyms and being honest about what I know and what I want to learn. If you have a valuable skill like you do they might work you into the rotation with actual fighter to work on specific things and you can learn the things you like. Never stay at a gym where you get beat up and don't learn.

how long does it take to build basic conditioning? I started BJJ 2 weeks ago and I almost pass out after every warm up.
how do I deal with my complete lack of coordination and body awareness?

gj reading 4 words of the post retard

i challenge you to find someone with no priors who did time for assault

Also learn how to throw hard knees from a Mauy Thai guy if possible and MMA coaches if that's not available. Just adding knees to tying guys up and controlling them can let you do a lot of damage.

your pic does a bunch of asmr stuff
youtube.com/watch?v=lkEAJhq1F2U

BJJ conditioning is a weird combination of all cardio. Running always helps. Learning not to panic and breath comes in time. Start running and roll as often as you can. Well done starting down the BJJ path. It's a fun, comparative sport where you don't get CTE. Protect your neck and rest it when you need to.

Thanks dude. I've become pretty disillusioned about lifting. I'm mostly doing calisthenics and running now and I think I'll have a lot more time to get on the mat. Maybe I could wrestle some days and train MMA the others. I know a club in my area that looks cheap but serious

There goes my NoFap

The more expensive a gym the shittier it is in my experience unless its an real state of the art place for fighters. If you got as good at folk style as you say they will welcome you with open arms in a real gym. I wish I had a good wrestler to practice with as that is the weakest part of my game. I can shoot down shots easy enough but the clinch trips and tricky shit can get me. Also learn elbows for your clinch.

Also it sounds like you've got that wrestler mentality about learning. They make bar none the best fighter in my opinion and that's coming from a guy with a striking background. You son's of bitches are usually tough as nails and have to get beaten half to death before ya quit.

My friends want to train boxing. I'm training kickboxing and wrestling. You should do it too or just train MMA, but before MMA you must have some experience. Aikido, Kung Fu and similar are a no-no.

I've been training for 25 years my man. I've done a little bit of everything useful. To confirm Aikido and most Kung Fu is meme bullshit not worth training.

2x state champ, nat'lly ranked as senior...even got (over)ranked as high as #10 once...wrestled d1 but didn't start, winning record wrestling unattached...I hope I could contribute to a good amateur gym. Okay talked about myself enough, pic rel8ed

Sounds like what you're saying is play to your strengths, build on wrestling, learn the things closest to it. Makes sense. I feel like I could take people down as long as I knew how to get close enough. No idea how to set up a guy who's far away and can punch and kick me

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Aw shucks, thanks for the encouragement. Here's a bearmode Turk no homo

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>I've become pretty disillusioned about lifting
how so, i assume you didn't start lifting because you wanted to be a better fighter right?

Yeah man I'd love to have you in my gym. Learn attacks and entries to leverage your skills. You already have a killer base. Learn striking but don't fall in love with it. I see that all the time in stud wrestlers where they knock someone down with a good punch because almost all of them are explosive as fuck then they start thinking they should trade with a guy like me. Take me down where I have disadvantage. You stand with me and I'm gonna beat the dog piss out of you. You ankle pick me and things get interesting and we all learn. If you wanna sharpen your stand up find and older experienced guy with some fights under his belt. He won't try to kill you in sparring.

What martial arts are fun as a hobby and also practical in a street fight?
Also Im a manlet, if that matters

No problem being small my friend. Martial arts help change your perception of yourself. Learn Judo. Being low is great and toss people around feels amazing.

I don't think you need much squatting and deadlifting as a wrestler. Makes running and rolling really hard. I'm pretty much all for shredding your upper body on the reg, I just think pullups, dips, and pushups can do most of it.

Bench, OHP, and rows have their place too, I own a barbell and have a place to bench

You can catch an overhand trying to use the philly shell or shoulder roll in mma or streetfights. But the straight punches are good advice.

Have you ever been in a McDojo? If so what do you think are the signs of a gym being one

Avoid streetfights as much as you can.
Fighting should only be used at the last option.

Video related. The guy in red clothes. Europe wresting champion. 100 kg. Built like a tank. Dead in a streetfight.

youtube.com/watch?v=u6GCd-Ur9Go&feature=youtu.be

avoid

attack first, attack hard

situational awareness and carrying yourself in a dominant manner will help you avoid 100% of fights

There's a supercut video on yt of a bas rutten self defense video's funny parts.
In that video he shows how you can step to the side and grab his knees with both your hands and just lift him off the ground so you can then drop him on his back/head.
Not sure how realistic that is, but if you're strong enough, why not try?

How has training affected your lifting schedule? Dp take more rest days or do you just work out whatever isn't feeling sore from practice?

>You can catch an overhand trying to use the philly shell or shoulder roll in mma or streetfight
dont do this. if you try a philly shell you will get murked in mma or street fight

Nvm, I misremembered.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mosX7L25HV8
4m07s but I strongly suggest watching the whole video.

It's not a choke but depending on the situation (height difference, how flexible you are, how conscious you are, etc) I can still see it working.
Maybe OP or someone with experience can shed some light.

i think the key here is also to be able to wear and use that mask of intensity while still being aware and perceptive. seen too many ppl go all out bullish and whiff their punches or takedowns and trip, throw themselves off their rhythm or charge in telegraphing and get cracked with counters. if the guy in front of you has far less confidence and technique this works, but you need to maintain that intensity while still being aware of your surroundings.

Angrier fighters win because they are more focused and their opponents can see this and get intimidated.

Unless they are totally outclassed in skill or size.

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>m.youtube.com/watch?v=mosX7L25HV8

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Yeah, but what else can you do?
Trying to fight his grip and get it loose in a few seconds while you're losing conscience is a strategy with a high chance of failure.
If you can try and get it done immediately (in a way that he's definitely not expecting) it's much better, no?

Fellow wrestler here, mirin stats. Any advice for a young wrestler? I haven't been wrestling for very long, but I love it.

Here's my question, I have a buddy, one of my best friends, who gets aggressive and tries to fight alot and I don't wanna look like a beta bitch by just leting him push me and talking him down, but I also don't wanna get in a violent fight with my friend, like it's a mental block that I really don't want to hurt my friend, so what should I do? I don't really doubt myself in a real fight with someone who's not my friend, becuase I can take hits and keep going, but I don't know what to do when it's my bro. Plus I'm worried that by throwing a fist back I'd get into that fight without really having my heart in it and getting my whooped

Take down, submission.
If you want to teach your mate a lesson, take him to the ground, throw a couple body shots and put some pressure on a joint or limb, he'll think twice about starting with you.

I would, but he's a natural at wrestling and we've wrestled a few times and I always lose, so honestly the only chance I'd have would be a full blown fistfight

Got any advice for a manlet (5'5'') like myself? I'm not completely at the mercy of those bigger than me am I? Worse case I'll just start conceal carrying.

Nothing beats a well-placed pipebomb.

Not OP but if you have not trained to slip punches, and your not some naturally talented black kid, youll likely end up headbutting punches.

I've gotten and a few fights and I always thought back to some shit in my hometown where a couple kids got knocked out and then curbstomped and thought "Not me motherfucker" .

It's important to realize that if you end up knocked out in a street fight, your life is in the hands of whoever you just pissed off.

Tucking your chin doesn't do shit except cause you excruciating pain when the choke is applied through your chin.
Turning your head towards the crook of their elbow can help though

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As someone who has actually fought at the professional level do NOT listen to OP. You'll wind up with assault charges and will probably get your shit kicked in as well. If any of you are actually interested in picking up legitimate fighting skills hit up your local MMA/BJJ/boxing gym and stop taking advice from strangers off the internet.

Dont listen to these scrubs. Judo is shit, learn submission grappling/BJJ.

Tucking your chin is how you get a broken jaw dumbfuck.

Honestly your friend sounds like a douche. Try talking to him and make him aware of the fact that friends normally dont go apeshit on each other.

kung fu is mostly dumb shit but if you learn one or two of the “weird” ways to strike it can end something in 2 seconds. Also the hand strengthening exercises - nobody has hands like someone who’s trained kung fu. But i think that and aikido are really size dependent - i know this guy who’s pretty decent at both, about 300 pounds, and could fucking kill just about anyone just using “meme shit”. so it’s occasionally worth crosstraining/dabbling.

Boxer here. I'll entertain this. How do you not break your wrists in a streetfight? My hands are made out of glass and get hurt with wraps and gloves

not OP but similarly experienced. knuckle push-ups, barehand heavy bag drills, grip strength trainer. god tier is doing clapping knuckle pushups. ofc you have to work up to all of that. kung fu hand drills are also interesting (see the post above yours) but they can occasionally be bullshit and/or take forever, so i’d just stick w/ the traditional stuff.

>You almost always know when a fight is going to start pretty soon and people always want to posture and yell beforehand.

Pretty much this. There is a moment that the violence becomes inevitable. There's a sweetspot between the moment a guy decides he's really going to do it and the moment he works up the nerve to actually act on that resolve. That in-between moment is what you need to learn to recognize, and to train yourself to act in that moment before he gets his chance, whether that's going all in on offense or to GTFO.

The very best advice about street fighting there is, is not to do it. Avoid shady people, places, and situations. Don't look or act like a victim. Don't let your ego get you deeper into a suspect situation. GTFO if you can, fight only if you have to, but once you've decided to fight go all out.

Er I mean, those strengthen wrists, but is breaking your hand (punching and hitting someone's skull instead of jaw) just a possibility in a street fight? Ever broken your hands in a fight?

youtube.com/watch?v=27FH-nXP1xU&t=1s

Wrestling works if you know how to do it

Not him but imagine hitting a bowling ball with some sticks. That is your hand vs a skull.

Clearly you've never met an old school karate guy.

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I’ll remember that when my jaw is broken that “at least I didn’t give the police the opportunity to put me in jail”

No its not you absolute fucking moron
Your bones are alot more robust than "sticks" and a skull is softer than a bowling ball
t. punched someone repeatedly on the back of his head when he tried to dodge and only my thumb hurt a bit after

I broke my hand because I hit the forehead serveral times. I couldnt do any sport where I have to "touch" something with my right hand for 3 month.

bonelet spotted

Yup there is no honor in streetfighting. Its just violence.

Hit first is a good advice if u ever have to defend yourself and have no out.

Lawfag here. In most jurisdictions, you could argue either self-defence (by way of pre-emptive strike), or provocation (if he calls your mother a pig fucker, he fucked your girl, or some other insult "of sufficiently grave character).

Of course you'd have to argue why you felt a pre-emptive strike was necessary, like you thought he had a weapon or you felt your life was being threatened. Self-defence will get you off the hook. Provocation is usually a partial defence, meaning it'll either get the charge or sentence reduced.

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I remember that video. I gave it a try a while back and it's honestly ineffective. When you pick someone up like that, their first instinct is always to tighten their grip and cling on for dear life, so when you drop them you end up going along for the ride.

Yeah, I expected that.
I thought falling on your back from a meter high while having a guy on top of you would shake you up enough to loosen your grip.
If the guy can resist falling like that without it having an effect on the grip, you'll surely never gonna be able to get out of it anyway, no?

I agree, I just meant that Bas Rutten acts like the IRL MMA boomer meme in this video

you’re right, theyre fucking badass. but it taks years upon years to get to that point.

>If you wanna sharpen your stand up find an older experienced guy with some fights under his belt. He won't try to kill you in sparring.
Okay thanks for the advice dude
Jesus absolutely subhuman
>I haven't been wrestling for very long, but I love it.
Glad to hear it! My advice is remember how much it's about mindset and confidence and giving every practice and matchb100% intensity. Fear no one and you'll find you're the one to be afraid of! Also get sick endurance, it's easy to train. Keep runs under 45min but go as fast as possible, up hills, up and down the bleachers every lap, stopping for calisthenics every lap or 200m, etc. Grip and pullups are huge, if you have a rope to climb do it as !ugh as humanly possible. Good luck!

Based

I tired to feint a jab once to a guy's midsection in a bar fight. It didn't work...
I threw the faint and then followed it up with a cross to the face. The guy reacted so slowly to the initial feint that he ended up blocking the cross (he reaction to a feint towards his midsection was to cover up his face).
I'd agree with this. Fast, straight punches directly to the jaw are the best way to go IMO.

I went to an MMA class and they were telling me not to put my knee on the ground when shooting in MMA (as in the picture)

Is this true? I've trained MMA before in other places and never heard such a thing, and all my wrestling/submission grappling classes have taught me to put my knee on the ground between their legs and drive all the way through

Without putting my knee down it feels like I'm just bending over and have no power. PS: I know its not always feasible to be able to shoot and put your knee down, but is this the correct way to execute it or no?

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Does he actually know and train wrestling, or is it just your a both clueless in grappling. If latter you can beat him in a couple weeks

Go hump the floor

Thanks for the advice mate. I have a pull up bar in my home (usually do at least 50 per day) and a rope to climb in the gym.