Is training until failure counterintuitive? or does it really work?

Everyone on Jow Forums trains towards failure regardless

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>falling for the failure jew

today I kept pushing it and even raised it up a few pounds on the chest press. I do notice I have built some muscle mass in the last three weeks from working out like this. I just dont want to hurt myself from working out like this in the long run

The rate at which you rebuild muscle is a function of diet, sleep, and androgenic hormones. If you are causing too much damage for your muscles to recover between workouts then you wont grow. You may see a strength increase as the CNS adapts to the movement, but this will quickly plateau. This is why many lifters have "deloading" periods of lighter weight to prevent plateaus.

Ideally you should find a weight or rep count that takes you to 80% failure, as this will allow for a shorter recovery while still achieving relatively the same stimulation of going to failure.

>Chest press

Depends. If you have a rep scheme for say the bench press and you do your 3x8 say, and then go and do dumbbell presses to failure it's only going to help. Don't go to failure on technical lifts.

Used to do it a lot when I first started training. And it worked too.
Now I wouldn't dare do it more than a couple of times a month tops.

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yeah, when you're old

that pic is hawt

ok sounds easy enough, I feel like I should do this now.

what's wrong with chest press?

user is probably making fun of you because you didn't say "bench press"

kek

You mean counterproductive.

No, it looks bad to you.

the research is clear at this point, training to failure is not counterinuitive, training to failure is superior for muscle growth in the higher rep ranges, but it's barely any better in the lower rep ranges, training to failure also seems to be slightly inferior for strength development because it increases accumulated fatigue more than not training to failure, but doing 2 sets close to failure is still way more taxing than 1 set to failure.
Basically there's very little difference, training to failure is basically mandatory though if you are training in very high rep ranges in order to see any growth, becuase only the last reps are actually recruiting high ammounts of muscle fiber units.
Greg nuckols has written about a study where people were made to squat 2x a week to failure on every set, and the group on 8 sets(each day) to failure made the most progress in strength and muscle size, they possibly could see better progress if they trained one rep or two away from failure, but it doesn't seem to be relevant.

Everyone is different faggot. What works for some people doesn't work as well for others.

Yes it does, everything looks the fucking same
Glad that artists moved on and started experimenting with different styles and techniques

Pardon my ignorance, but what is meant by "80% failure"?

What ? I ALWAYS train until failure

I go to failure about once a week now, and the result has been a 180lb bench, up from 95 in 5 months. Training for strength tho.

Training to failure is broscience

those words are not mutually exclusive

This is really just an argument for high(er) intensity training. Which would also allow for higher frequency.

I agree with you, but some bros go beyond adaptation limits.
Now, this is what I'm talking about....

But I don’t wanna

>that showering scene

this is incorrect, unless you're talking about phyisical conditions like diseases or genetic abnormalities.
What works for one normal male human shall work for another normal male human.

Go until you can do no more with proper form. If you're doing OHP and are supposed to do 8, but did 7 with proper form only to do the last with a little jump to get the bar above your head, you need to stick at the 7.

Don't ego lift. You do more harm than good. Know your limits

going close to failure shows the same gains as failure, so stop, you are hurting your recovery

19yo
>train five lifts in one Push (or Pull, or Legs) workout
>start with strength sets/reps, move on to endurance/hypertrophy range
>go heavy enough to fail last rep or two of last set of every lift
>swim for 30-45min afterward
>eat 4,000kcal meal at college cafeteria
>sleep
>grow
>not even that sore
29yo
>hit squat, push, pull for one heavy set of 5 each
>can hardly move for days
Die young, lads

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can any knowledgable user confirm? What if I just go harder or lighter sometimes?

Thanks braz

>22
>lose 170 pounds in a little over a year like it's nothing
>shit just flies off with no effort
>30
>having gained it back, busting my ass like never before
>lucky if I hit 10 pounds a month

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>very high rep ranges
Are you talking about hypertrophy ranges or higher?

Training to failure is the worst possible thing you could ever do. You are just repeatedly conditioning your mind to fail every time you lift. It has terrible psychological consequences that may lead to suicide

give me one (1) reason why i shouldn't go to failure on my last set of accessories

>counterintuitive
*counterproductive

You need enzymes bro.
Also keep in mind your GH levels tank after 28, so you'll have a harder time with gains but it's not impossible.

Literally copy/pasted from bodybuilding.com.

bodybuilding.com/content/doms-prevention-and-treatment-of-delayed-onset-muscle-soreness.html

Imagine pretending to be smart on an uzbeki basket weaving forum.

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>Taking it beyond it current limits forces it to adapt
Yeah, to an extent. Try benching 10 sets@85% to failure 6 days a week and tell me how your benching is doing in a month
Training to failure is fine, but shouldn't be done every session

Healing requires energy, too. You won't recover as well in a state of total exhaustion. More does not equal better and discomfort for discomfort's sake won't make you big nor does it make you any more of a man.

All going to failure does it make it so you are unable to properly recover in time for your next session, thereby slowing progress. And also teaching bad motor patterns due to form break down, and increasing the likelihood of acute injury. Assuming you're not an absolute DYEL, you should know your body well enough to know when you still have a rep in the tank and when you're not going to be able to push it any further.

user, didn't you know that everyone on Jow Forums is a 6'2" web-dev/med student making 100k minimum.