Well Jow Forums do you feel like you're better than someone because of your weight?

No your honor, I have kleptomania, I couldn't make the choice to not steal that bike

ah but you forget that's actually a reasonable and valid plea.
>not guilty by reason of insanity

It seldom works because if it did, everyone would claim it.
Especially since there is no test, or solid way to verify

An actual kleptomaniac would likely have a history of petty theft with no reasonable benefit from it. If you dont have any history of it, you're not gonna get away with it.

>Especially since there is no test, or solid way to verify
do you not realize conceding that that's the reason is just as bad for your case as if you hadn't responded at all?

my point is that the mentally ill can't control themselves without outside help and therefore can't reasonably be blamed for what they are.

you just raised a counterargument that said point wouldn't hold up very well in a court of law, implying this must mean the point isn't true, since that's generally the purpose of a counterargument, to establish the falsity of the preceding claim. and then literally one post later you declared that the reason my point wouldn't hold up in court is because a hypothetical defendant's mental illness is difficult to verify. ergo, NOT because the law doesn't recognize the inability of the mentally ill to control their behavior as it pertains to their particular mental illness.

in other words, you implicitly disagreed with what i said, and then unwittingly nullified your disagreement in a blind and ill-considered effort to disagree with the thing i said next.

>all that text
I thought we were talking about meme-tier mental illness like obesity coping and not actual, legitimate psychiatric issues people have.
Then again after a moment of thinking about it, there is a quantifiable link between mental health issues and obesity and how both are rising in 1st world nations, but that isn't to say that obesity is only caused by mental illness.

>most mental illnesses don't say anything bad about the person sufferrng from them
However, there are some personality disorders that extremely destructive to the person that suffers from them as well as the other people in that individual's life. There really hasn't been any good research data being for or against a link between destructive personality disorders and mental illness but often where you find one you find the other. There is also a school of thought in viewing personality disorders as a form of mental illness as well.

Kind of, since there is no doubt that it allows me to:
>run up three flights of stairs verry fast
>ride my bike up a hill
>ride comfy at 3 bar on my roadbike
>ride comfy at 0,7 bar on my MTB
>walk faster with less energy
>acellerate faster with my motorcycle
>fly in all glider planes ever build

If you think I'm wrong, I challenge you to proof it.

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>not taking care of yourself isn't really a negative attribute
Yes it is. Nobody else is responsible for taking care of you. It is your responsibility.

I feel better than a fatass because I know I have more self-control than they do and therefore am more mentally sound than they are. I take satisfaction in knowing that I do not need to stuff cheeseburgers in my face if I feel stressed out, and that statistically I am far more likely to live a longer and healthier life than they are. I also feel better because I know that my lifestyle choices are far less likely to impact the healthcare system, I don't take up extra space on transportation, and finally because I don't need to constantly make salty-ass posts on social media about being fat.

Gas the fats, grease war now.

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Yes, the fat people

I'm fat, have been fat since age 6, started losing weight after going into therapy two years ago, and have since lost half the 250lbs of excess weight I'd accumulated over the years up to that point.

I have no destructive personality disorders, but I do have CPTSD, which I used as an excuse as I was gaining the weight and staying fat. And now, I wouldn't say I'm still using an excuse, but that's just because something can only reasonably be called an "excuse" if whatever it supposedly excuses actually remains the case.

In fact, I still blame my weight and past binge eating habits on CPTSD, but the difference is that now no one can accuse me of making excuses for myself, because at this time, I no longer have anything to need an excuse for.

If I had a point here, I suppose it's simply that you shouldn't assume everyone who's fat can choose to not be fat -- at least, not without outside help. I continue to maintain that I couldn't have done what I'm doing now without therapy, and I will continue to maintain the same when I reach my goal BMI of 16.

If you are actually so mentally ill that you can't take care of yourself, then no, it is not, *cannot* be, your responsibility to take care of yourself. How can it possibly be anyone's responsibility to do something they're literally incapable of. To me, that rather seems to contradict the definition of responsibility.

It can be argued that the greatest among us are those who are wise enough to realize they need help and humble enough to ask for it.

>we're all gonna make it

I'm not trying to win a debate, or get an A in rhetoric, I'm trying to exchange ideas over the internet. I brought up the last point because I believe that regardless if the very rare individual has an actual issue a society that allows wanton stealing and murder wouldn't stand.

No. I’m better because i’m not intitionally delusional about shit.

>I'm not trying to win a debate, or get an A in rhetoric, I'm trying to exchange ideas over the internet.
Well, that would be a first.
>I brought up the last point because I believe that regardless if the very rare individual has an actual issue a society that allows wanton stealing and murder wouldn't stand.
I agree. Not sure I see what you're getting at, but I'll withhold judgement, since you did say you weren't actually trying to argue, just express ideas.

WOW YOU FOUND AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE YOU MUST BE A GENIUS.

We obviously are talking about normal people here and not paranoid schizophrenics with Down syndrome

Are brit slags even human? I'm seriously asking here.

Yeah definitely. That cow would die if she had to exit a burning building rapidly, so yeah, I think I'm better.

it still means you're a danger to society. Inability to comply with the law doesn't excuse lawbreaking. If a person kills someone because they are insane that is the exact opposite of an argument to let that person walk free.

Because, ultimately, it is you who will bear the consequences thus you, and only you, are responsible.

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not better, but better looking for sure

No, I feel better because I am literally better at just about anything except sweating profusely and causing minor local earthquakes.

Strong fatties are fine, weak worthless fatties are not. I'm obviously not gonna call some giant samoan chick that can pull a truck unhealthy, she's superior to landwhales that can't climb stairs in every way.

Yes. And I know that because I used to be fat and I am better and much happier with myself since I lost weight.