What's the point in being natty?

seriously why do we care so much? just so we can feel better about our pathetic lifts and physique by being "muh lifetime natty"?
I've been lifting for a year and a half, deadlift 240, OHP 90 and progress is already slowing down.
I just want to take roids/SARMs so bad but for some reason deep down I have this notion (instilled in me by dyel messageboards) that it won't really be me lifting the weight. I reckon everyone has it, but really, why? why would you not take everything you can to be stronger? there's no honor in it, it's just idiotic. why not deprive yourself of food or sleep then?

in the case of sarms, it doesn't even cause suppression ffs. you just take it, get stronger/look better, hop off for a few weeks and then get back on again with zero (0) negative side effects.

and really what's considered natty? bugenhagen has literally admitted to doing a short ph cycle, yet he and everyone around him consistently claim he's natty. and I'd be inclined to say that he is, the whole "turning in your natty card" is bullshit. once you hop off, do your pct and get back to normal levels you're natty.

unironic tl;dr: being natty is a COPE, I'm gonna hop on tren as soon as I get a beltless 6pl8 dead. this is what nattyfags look like youtube.com/watch?v=1RcUwSyeG7Y

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There's nothing wrong with staying natty and there's nothing wrong with taking steroids.

Do whatever you want brah.

>why do we care so much?
speak for yourself you fucking faggot

>being natty is a COPE
it is if you think that lifting natty will make you strong or aesthetic

who cares? most people train for health reasons and not to impress nobody with huge shoulders from hormones

stupid thread

Literally do whatever you want because when it boils down to it what does it matter what people here think lol. I used do deadlifts off the floor and snap my shit up cause of my fucked up proportions because its what this bunch of dyels said was necessary. fuck that.

Well a good reason for being natty is not having to deal with all the side effects of roids

My neighbor did roids when he was young. Dude was an absolute unit even in his 40s. Can't tell now because he died at age 46 leaving a 13 year old son and a 10yo daughter.

You shouldn't roid at a young age. Quote:

>For men, one of the main factors in physical decline is the reduction in the body’s natural level of testosterone. This starts to occur naturally and gradually after the age of 30-40, usually by about 2% per year.

Meaning that you should have controlled doses of roids, just in order to maintain your testosterone levels. It shouldn't be used in excess. But it's a good way to stay healthy at an older age, if you use it for those intentions.

I'd rather my deltoids and traps size stay relatively the same dependent only on the progress of my OHP and Shrugs, than it be entirely dependant on the dosages of chemicals I am injecting,

My shoulders are a consistent medium size. I see steroid guys at my gym whose shoulders go from tiny, to cannon balls, to medium size, to tiny, to cannonballs...its almost like their body shape is determined by the amount of time the steroids stay in their body lmao

imagine doing roids and having your heart explode in your 20s like zyzz. lol!

>Strenght increase dosent really matter if you cheated
>Have to actually spend money on gear
>If you lift for grills then what the vast vast majority of them consideres attractive is possible natty

But at the end of the day nobody gives a shit whether you jump on or not OP

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You do you. If you want it, go for it.
A bit unrelated but
>tfw you find out a few buddies who are smaller than you even though they have trained longer have used roids

>seriously why do we care so much? just so we can feel better about our pathetic lifts and physique by being "muh lifetime natty"?
>we
Don't speak for me you cunt. Go be a faggot on your own and don't include me you mongoloid

Tell me more about sarms

OHP is trash for shoulder development and shrugs are the absolute worst trap builder on the earth. Shrugs being really effective are in fact a trash meme created to explain away explosive trap growth after steroid cycles.

>deadlift 240, OHP 90
KG? Because that is weak for a year and a half if lbs and pretty good for a natty if kg.

>pretty good
if he's below 20% body fat that's literally impossible numbers

Roids are fucking stupid
the whole point of being fit is having a healthy body
u don't have a healthy body when doing roids

If ohp is terrible, what's the best compound for shoulders?

Standing dumbbell rows?

The point is finding out what your natural limit is. After 3 or 4 years of dedicated natural training, i wouldn´t judge anyone who takes roids.
Mind tho, that you can train half assed for years and years and never reach your natural limits.

Also it is a big ego boost to know that theres people at your gym that take gear for quite some time and are still much weaker than you...

If i was you i wouldnt start until i know that i tried and gave everything.

Seated dumbbell rows side raises and rows.

if your deadlift is 240 after a year of training you're worse than a natty

What exercises do you suggest for shoulders and traps?

>Shrugs being really effective are in fact a trash meme created to explain away explosive trap growth after steroid cycles.

DYEL?

Since I started doing sets of 20-50 reps for shrugs my traps actually grew.

The reason nobody can get them to grow is because they stick in the 3x10 rep range, the Traps need huge rep sets.

Yup. Or your lifestyle and diet sucks badly

I found traps grow faster in the 12 rep range when you hold for 2-3 seconds on each contraction. To each their own

OHP is the fucking best for shoulder development. It allows you to move more weight than any other shoulder exercise.
However you will only see visible progress if you combine it with side raises.

Imagine this

>Fitness and health-oriented board
>Fitness requires fertility if you consider the biological definition of fitness
>Roids decrease fertility and fucks up your health
>why be natty brah

>

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traps grow fastest when you do static rackpulls. Which means picking up a barbell with around 2x your bw using straps (can be a really high rack pull) and then holding it standing up for at least 2 minutes.
Do 3 sets at least.

kg yeah. I'm natty, 94kg, fat as fuck. look dyel. probably 25+% bf

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>Gym steroid use has impact on memory

I mean, you need memory sometimes too, man.

what if i inject my steroids at home and not at the gym?

There are no side effects if you do it right

well thats bullshit tho

Please explain

it's not about impressing anyone you stupid fuck, it's about getting better at lifting.
also
>lifting for health
kek

>Strenght increase dosent really matter if you cheated
what the fuck yes it does. there's no such thing as "cheating". is eating "cheating"? is sleeping? taking roids just changes the standard of what should be considered impressive. you can't just say eddie hall's 500kg DL "doesn't matter because he cheated"

>the whole point of being fit is having a healthy body
depends. idgaf about being healthy. my life is shit and it's always going to be, I've accepted that. now might as well get a 400kg deadlift, don't care if I die at 30 t b h.

you guys are stupid

eat + lift = grow

>What's the point in being natty?
Living past 30

Well cut then.

i think you should evaluate why you lift in the first place

those are kg lmao. nobody uses your stupid units.

don't want to lose strength bro.

yes. and as a natty, accept having a sub 300 deadlift your whole life.

There is literally 0 point in taking roids if you aren't competing in sports or bodybuilding

Nobody cares about how much you lift, women are as interested in hearing about your deadlift as they are listening about your lvl 100 paladin

lol

i care about how much I lift.

What's funny about staying active for health benefits? You're just trolling at this point

>eating food is no different than injecting hormones

meh, fitness has become such a meme at this point in the mainstream that the average thot or bro knows what an impressive squat and deadlift are

Natty limit isn't that bad my dude

I look fine and I just recently started to understand how to properly eat and lift
you dont need excuses to roid, go ahead if you want to

((()))

a jew did it, they always attack themselves then say it was another

>this thread
>no info on SARMS

Please, someone knowledgeable, redpill us on the fucking SARMS.

Where will you get your test when shit hits the fan? How do you plan to continue pinning regularly once the collapse is upon? Your source’s face will be eaten off and your muscles will deflate like balloons as you struggle to collect food just to survive, idiot

How can you lift for year and a half and have such poor stats? I lift for 6 months now and my deadlift is 130 kg OHP is 47.5 kg

reee fucking burgers for the last fucking time no one uses your stupid fucking units. this is OP btw. so that's a 240 ****KG**** deadlift (about 530 made up units) and a 90 ***KG*** clean and press (about 200 made up units). fuck.

btw why do you give your lifts in kg and assume mine are made up units? hadn't even noticed that. when will Jow Forums switch to the one system that makes sense?

I thought your lifts are in pounds. And I'm not an American

there's no redpill. it's no tren, but LGD-4033, S-4 and RAD-140 in particular are still pretty strong, you'll get nice strength and size increases and it's not suppressive (meaning there will be no post-cycle therapy needed as it will have very little impact on your test, at most the suppression will be 10-20% of steroids, and shutdown is virtually impossible). it's slightly more expensive, it's also legal. the main issue is that there aren't a lot of human studies and long term side effects aren't known (although nothing indicates that there are any).

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brother those lifts are pretty average for 6 months

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natural lifter coming thru! REAL *NATURAL* STRENGTH not like all those roidheads out there. yeah they outlift me by 300lbs but I'm *NATURAL* like an ebin old time strongman and they're not. should I grow a mustache? it would be so badass xDD

Go through with it bro. Roid early, then hit me up when you're in your 40s ;) There's literally no consequences!

I live in SoCal and don’t trust the shitty Mexican gear I’d probably wind up buying. I also want to have kids and even the slim chance I fuck up my sperm count scares the shit out of me. Perhaps later in life.

I've honestly been wondering this as well. My numbers are only slightly better than OP's, being that I deadlift around 286 and OHP around 92. Honestly though, my genetics are dogshit, and gaining weight and starting to feel fat again is so, so draining. I did a completely clean bulk, I ate a cheat meal during 1 week this year, that's it, and even after gaining 12 solid kilograms, the fat's starting to become visible and I wanna end my goddamn life.

The thing that gets me the most is that my arms are lagging behind really bad, and I've never actually seen a natty with good arms and forearms. One of the first things you see when a guy hops on test is the superhero forearms he gets, sometimes it seems even the wrists get thicker. I want that so bad, but just like many, I am afraid of fucking up my body, losing my hair, getting hit with acne, etc.

Life is pain.

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>I've been lifting for a year and a half, deadlift 240, OHP 90
ive started lifting seriously like one month ago and my deadlift is 240 and ohp 100, am i fucking mutant or are u counting in kg's?

I unironically want to juice just to feel the good rage. Nothing gets me higher than a good rage and from what I hear nothing compares to the roid rage

>year and a half
>240 dl
>90 ohp
yeah, roids wouldnt help you ascend humanity. you might just have barely average stats with them.

286kg deadlift is pretty strong mang. how long lifting? how much do you weigh?

try sarms bro. I'm gonna order RAD-140 (and also proviron for amazing hardons and oozing precum but I guess that's not really gear) in a few months

kilograms you inferior mutt protestant cumrag. these are kilograms. also it's beltless and I wasted some time during summer.

yes. there are like 3 countries in the world that don't use metric.

Dude, I don't think so. The thing about SARMS is that it just hasn't been tested long enough on humans to know long-term side effects. SUPPOSEDLY there aren't any, but it just doesn't seem worth it to take the risk. Why would you? Reminds me of one of those TV episodes where a great new drug appears and the guy immediately starts taking it and he feels amazing, then a while later he discovers his body's littered with tumors or some shit.

.i-i-it's in kilos! a-a-and i wasted some time, hehe...
pathetic

I mean it's pretty unlikely. sarms have been around for a decade plus and no adverse effects have been reported other than very mild suppression for LGD and RAD, and night vision issues with andarine.
I get it's too good to be true but all signs still point to it being true.

That's the thing, all the stuff I read is so inconsistent. Some places report amazing gains while others say it will be mild/low at best, which makes me not wanna try it. If you researched enough about it, I'd be interest in hearing what are the supposed "best" ones so I could look into it more.

Don't wait any longer to do roids. Just do 'em. They're great and you won't regret it. I don't know about abusing it by taking shitloads of orals and taking like 4 compounds at once, including insulin and GH, but just a 500mg//wk cycle of test is gonna make you feel great man. If you're late twenties, early thirties, you should probably be on it anyway.

I think the inconsistencies are people who were used to tren ace and took lgd expecting the same results. supposedly the best ones are LGD and RAD (RAD is also the most suppressive although still not to the point that it requires a PCT). LGD is pretty popular with athletes. I think those are the only two that have been thoroughly studied and tested on humans. S4 is purported to be the best for pure strength gains but apparently it can give you weird sight-related issues (trouble seeing at night and you sometimes see a yellow tint) that go away once you stop & that you can apparently avoid by dosing half during the first week.

probably not the best bang for you buck but it'll probably be my first venture into PEDs. also, as I said, no suppression and legal.

the thing right now is I don't understand enough of it to not be scared of shutdown & having to run a pct. also I can't get bloodwork done.

>I've been lifting for a year and a half, deadlift 240, OHP 90 and progress is already slowing down.
kek I've been lifting 2 weeks and I'm stronger than you. Natty too.
You sound like a bitch.

Doesn’t matter
You’re still a faggot who seeks validation
You can take all the test you can handle. You’ll always be a bitch

If you want to be a roid monkey just do it bro. Sacrifice your health for dumb vanity.

Goddamn it and I brought it to the American market but everyone was like "noooo I don't want them"

stfu dyel

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>kg
that attempt to save your online ego is weaker than your fucking lifts m8

what does vanity have to do with anything you absolute dyels? I just want to pull 350+ kg.

Point of exercise is to be the healthiest version of yourself. Steroids in any capacity more than very small amounts are wildly unhealthy.

>I just want to pull 350+ kg.
why?
why that number?
your autistic goals are arbitrary.

i don't understand. these are kilograms. for 99.99% of the world's population, whenever a weight is given it is understood that it's in kgs. sorry you live in a 3rd world country.