Low T

I had like 350 at 20 years old and started trt. I've been on it for nearly 3 years now and my life is better in every way. I'm not gonna lie, it's embarrassing and I'm afraid to tell people, but I think it's definitely worth it. It costs close to 2k a year though

Is that including your insurance? Or is that out of pocket?

curious to know what results you'll get

still, as long as you dont have any negative symptoms i really think you shouldn't get on test
imagine having to rely on sticking a needle in your ass every day until the last day of your life. maybe im just angry because in Israel they wont give you test even if you have around 150 ng/dl

with insurance. I think the test is 720 for 20 week supply. I have to get bloodwork every 6 mo. and a physical 1x a year, but my insurance covers those

Beard growth and hair loss just mean your androgen receptors are sensitive to testosterone. It means when you have a healthy level of test you will be so sensitive to it you'll lose all your hair on your head and grow even more body hair.

We talking about Medical use of test.
Not Rich Pianna.
He will maybe start with a T-plaster or T-Gel.

I'm surprised that they wont even do it if your around 150. Thats barely above the max female level.

That's not too terrible, how good is your insurance? Thats ~40/month

For example my test is in the top 90% of males within healthy range (more than 3x higher than OPs) and I can barely grow any facial hair at that age. Luckily my hair will never fall out.

I currently have insurance through my university, it's pretty basic Aetna. I don't actually know if insurance lowers the cost of prescription, but bloodwork can be pretty insanely expensive if it's not insured. The way I see it is, I was going to have to start doing it 10-15 years from now anyways, I might as well start now and reap the benefits of high test in my physical prime. My levels range from 800-1200 throughout the week now

>eating fat dense foods daily
Cholesterol is a requirement for test production. Good fatty red meats.

>i live in Israel so no wonder

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It's also worth noting my doctor had me try HCG subcutaneous injections for a few months to see if my problem came from low LH production. It's worth trying this method first, as it can potentially result in restoring natural production to a higher level. That being said, HCG is a daily/eod injection that must be refrigerated.

>eating fat dense foods
I think this actually raised my T levels. After replacing chicken breast with drumsticks and eating the whole thing (skin and everything), I feel more hornier than before. I didn't know this was a thing til I looked it up.
My macros are like 40% protons, 30% fat, 30% carbs. or sometimes even 35% fat and 25% carbs.

>protons

It's called proteins. Protons are positively charged particles.

If you can get away with a TRT prescription despite no symptoms, take it. You will leave humanity behind

>his diet doesn't incorporate protons
Never gona make it.

There's more money in convincing men with low t to just get on test and lower their test even further rather then figuring out WHY they are low test and helping them fix it with simple and if need be drastic lifestyle changes.

Why do you think people blather on about test cyp and eth but no one even mentions a word about test u?

Is your doctor retarded?
If he wanted to see if your LH production was low he could have done a blood test for it rather than waste your money on hcg injections.

Try raising it naturally first before you go on trt and fuck up your fertility. Raised mine from 370 to 608 just by eating healthy and intermittent fasting

Your testosterone level is highest in the morning. By the evening, it's low, even if your baseline is high.

You should take the test early in the morning to confirm a low test level because it should be highest at this point. It changes as you age, but I don't think that's an issue.

Personal note here: I was having some tests run a while back for irrelevant-to-this-thread reasons and when I got results back, my test level was in normal range but incredibly low (300ish). I was a little taken aback and called the specialist doc who ran the tests and when I didn't get any answers there, I went to the internet. He had checked my test level at 4:30pm, which was when I was able to get off of work.

I called a my general doc (whom I do not visit often) and asked him. He sighed and said those tests need to be done in the morning. His words, combined with the stuff I found on the internet, led to a testosterone score double that on a follow-up test.

did you feel any changes? better moods, more focus, determination, endurance etc ?

Fucking sick of seeing Angela White's dumb face and tits everywhere on this site

Based

cum was whiter, better sex drive/orgasms, felt happier/confident but more energy was the biggest change

Test me? No, test u buddy!

what are the natural ways to increase T?

so far from this thread:
eating fatty meat (?)
eating healthy (?)
intermittent fasting

HIIT
and eating more carbs
zinc
>carbs increasing test is one I don't hear often.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1502317/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2544367/

Why are you obsessed with doing things "natural"?

Literally nothing you do is natural. The meat you eat is unnaturally grown, the food you eat was bred by man, the cities you live in are man made construction.

If you want to increase test, then get some test and shoot it up, its not hard.

how does HIIT help?

$$$

trt WILL make you infertile. Its also a matter of pride and not wanting to be a skinny liberal cuck

Hush, little incel. You still are not gonna make it.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551442/

>I have a beard and I'm balding so I must be high T

Have you seen the average onions boy?

>have a full beard

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>beard and balding
How’s your indie 8-bit jrpg coming along?

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>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551442/

nice dude

Holy shit a tough guy posting on an anonymous image board, im scared!

If you have a counter to my opinion then lets hear it, but instead you just spout memes, sad.

I bet you voted for hillary too right?

tfw on trt and beside anger I dont have any libido improvement

100mg/wk and no ai though

How new are you?

Ah, one of your many problems, chimping out like a little bitch when someone better tells you how it is. No wonder you're an incel.
I don't need to counter your opinion, you're a beta male and put on some muscle will not change that. You will never stop being you.

Whats the best macro ratio for test?
I'm low T and always used a relatively low fat diet (between 50 and 65g of fat a day).

Carbs have the most effect, 2nd would be fat, and of course, eating enough (maintenance) every day.

My diet is in check, sleep is in check but stress is killing my test level.

Any tips?

Your'e angry because your a dickless naturally low test dyel

>don't stress bro lol

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Intermittent fasting has been shown to lower cortisol

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Such a perfect body my dick will explode.

Never understood the high test threads. Do the women have high test, or does it give you higher test looking at them?

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Only high test males can appreciate THICC women.

Anyone have experience with varicocele? I have varicocele in my left testicle and I am worried that it might affect my test production.

Anyone who did the surgery and saw any changes in test after surgery?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicocele

For those who don't know what it is.

Yes you can. You have to measure it several times (preferably at different times of a day) to be sure. Look up test boosting foods, sleep a lot etc. Maybe it will improve.
That said most people here would kill for a test-boost.
t. testlet

>ashwagandha
>cbd oil
nice dubs btw

When I eat almonds I feel my balls kick into overdrive, unsaturated fat is the best thing for hormone production

Lol pathetic.

>youre so stupid i can't refute your point.

The absolute state of this board.

This, why all the discussion?

Because there are pussy crab in the bucket faggots on this board that call people who suggest taking test incels and beta, spout memes and refuse to do any research.

They're pissed a guy doing test will see more results in 6 months of gym than they have for 3 years and they're super raged about it.

Pine polen tincture, celery for test. Meditation, cold showers, breathing exercises for stress

Basically this. Can't let the goyim be too masculine.

>intermittent fasting
How well does this work for raising overall testosterone levels, and what's the best fasting range for that?

One guy in the study jumped from 600 to 1400 as soon as he refed. As long as you aren't obese above 12 hours should do it. I usually eat in an 8 hour time window and fast for 16. also don't restrict your caloric intake, it needs to stay the same otherwise you could actually end up dropping your test instead.

>23
>considering TRT
1. motherfucker start eating right and I mean fucking RIGHT as in cut out ALL refined sugary shit and bread.
2. More movement. If youre neet or your work is sedentary do 1-2 days per week HIIT cardio and everyday at least 30mins of walking outside.
3. at least 8hrs of sleep
After you do those 3 things right for few months and your test levels are still shit then you can consider TRT.

you need to do more than one test

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>After you do those 3 things right for few months and your test levels are still shit then you can consider TRT.

yeah, why take the 100% gaurenteed results that will 100% definitely give you literally superhuman testosterone that's anabolic 24/7

when you could spend 3 months on a strict and unpleasant diet and spend hours performing monotonous tasks in the hope that it might raise you to a below average test level instead of the clinically low you are at now?

in fact, even if that doesn't work, just start thinking about considering actually taking the instant cure that everybody who's ever taken says is the best decision they have ever made. don't actually do it though

Because you'll need that for the rest of your life.

Why not try a few common changes in how you live that will extend your life by years if not decades and boost your natural test?

It's free and in the case of obese food addicts and drinkers and smokers, it will save them money.

But they might get called names on a mongolian throat singing board so maybe they shouldn't.

Funny how professional doctors disagree with you but i guess thats why you're posting on an anime image board and not selling your services as a sports medicine doctor right?

test is an e-stat

results are reality

Because its cheaper and healthier (considering how young you are) plus with the lifestyle changes you'll end up looking better in the long run

>guys should I get legal, pharma grade test that my insurance will pay for
OP what are you stuck on do it

What professional doctors?
TRT doctors?
They don't talk about fucking TRT or male fertility.
They don't know the first thing about male genitalia or hormone replacement.
They think and are told that the foreskin is superfluous and serves no purpose for fucks sake.

>people getting legitimately upset that a random young man on the internet wants to optimize his hormones for building muscle
dont listen to these angry needle dicks OP, even if you were high test i’d still recommend hopping on juice. you only live once, why not leave a huge fucking coffin?

when the kikes kike you

How much zinc, magnesium, vitamin d, and vitamin b is there in your diet
Being deficient in those four vitamins and minerals assrapes your test levels and supplementing them should increase them.
Also fenugreek helps as well

Doctors are not fucking you over when they won't put you on test when you fall in the lower end of the normal range. Quite a few studies have shown that taking test has no effect when it falls within normal range already.
That's a really small effect. Almost neglible.

>someone whos gone through medical school and specializes in male hormones doesnt know anything about make hormones.
>instead listen to me as ive researched on the internet and am an expert.

Wow the idiots on this board.

Step away from the keyboard bro, go outside and talk to some people who know a thing or two.

You get what you pay for and your knowledge youve gained from reading things on the internet is worth exactly what you paid for it. Nothing.

About male hormones not make.

Show me a fucking medical book that talks extensively about male hormones and testosterone replacement you nonce.

They don't talk about that shit you retard.
They don't even really care.
They aren't about getting people healthy, they're about cutting them up and shoving drugs into every orifice.
Any learning about male hormones is self study.

What if I have high test levels and am balding, but can't grow a beard?

Sad i have to do your research for you.

Please go away now thanks.

scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=male testosterone replacement &btnG=

No the guy you're replying to but are you fucking retarded? There's hundreds of books on endocrinology.

Is being horny 24/7 also be horny even after jerking off and a lot of body hair a sign of high test or not?

user, that's not standard medical school stuff.
That is fucking self study and specialization AFTER they go to school.

user, TRT prescribing doctors have a vested interest in learning about and telling you that you need gear.

Real talk.

Do you have anxiety?

Jesus christ man just pay for blood work. Why are so many people such massive jews about this sort of thing. There is nothing someone can tell you on the internet about how much test you have.

Simply pay out of pocket for bloodwork and see for yourself, why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp?

>$$$

Test is literally the cheapest hormone of them all, it's dirt cheap. If you can't afford test, maybe try getting a fucking job.

If you have a job try getting a better job.

If you have a better job, try to stop spending your money on ridiculous shit.

Yes that guy is retarded, he literally asked to be shown a "medical book" that talks about test.

You cant fix that level of stupidity.

Get the presciption, request to do it yourself at home (cite transportation issue not preference) Ice your nuts 60-120 minutes a day over 3 or 4 intervals. Especially avoid baths and saunas. Eat well and lift hard but not to failure. When your levels are retested you will be normal, and after a fear years of lifting you will have a ton of pharma grade gear to cycle with.

Did you fap before the test? Your test can be lowered by up to 80% after you fap