80% of men are below average in looks ()

>80% of men are below average in looks (i.imgur.com/2MstAzl.gif)

>All people see themselves as above average (cbsnews.com/news/everyone-thinks-they-are-above-average/)

Well, Jow Forums, are YOU attractive?

A common theme amongst cope-alots is asking, "how do you know if you're attractive?"

But see, if you have to ask then you're assuredly average at best and NOT attractive.

How would you know if you were smart? You would probably realize after grasping new concepts quickly, doing very well on your tests, being told you were special or smart.
How would you know if you were athletic? You would know after looking at your fit body in the mirror, winning sports competitions, being complimented on your agility, strength.

Well, IT'S THE SAME DEAL FOR BEING ATTRACTIVE, you fucking MORONS. You. WOULD. KNOW.
Even if you didn't like your reflection too much, you would KNOW you were attractive by doing well on tinder, having greater reception among girls and people in general, being complimented on your looks. And primarily, because YOU ATTRACT. Attractiveness doesn't just mean you have an easier time with girls; it also means everybody - both women AND MEN - will treat you better, come up to you, give you more opportunities than your unattractive peers.

Are you still clinging on to your last cope of girls being too shy or afraid of rejection, dipshits? Guess fucking what - girls are NOT shy. They are just as capable of striking up conversations and approaching guys, and almost always if they find a guy attractive they WILL act on it. You fucking retarded pieces of shit. I don't care if a girl flips her hair in your direction and sustains eye contact for 2.52 seconds and tilts her body towards you by 43 degrees or acts polite to you. Being ATTRACTIVE means you literally ATTRACT girls. That doesn't mean you make them give you autistic "IOIs", it means THEY ARE DRAWN TO YOU LIKE MAGNETS TO EACH OTHER. YOU LITERALLY PULL THEM TO YOU BY NATURE OF YOUR LOOKS.

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k keep me posted

>80% are lower than average
than that's not the average you brainlet

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tell that to thots

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This isn’t some mind blowing truth. The majority are mediocre looking or just straight up ugly. People can deny lookism all they want, but it’s real

rate me

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>All people see themselves as above average
wrong, i know im ugly as shit

Just add "according to women".

For women average=ugly. Think about the ugliest chick in your class. That is how women see 80% of men. Unless you are in the top 20% of looks you will have to rely on other stiff to get laid (money,status,personality,a huge social circle,etc). Being slightly more attractive than your buddy means shit at the end of the day as girls will see both of you as attractive

>stiff
Stuff

Perfect

ur perfect jsut the way u are babbyboi
mfw thinking of you hurtin

I get always treated great by men but I have my problems with girls. Dunno if unattractive or spergism

just fucking LOL

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what is considered "doing well" on tinder? I've been on it for about 5 days and got 30 matches. None of them are models or probably even 8.5+/10s, but also no uggos/fatties

How popular is tinder where you live? How many people live in your city?

This might be difficult to grasp. But, if you are attractive in tinder basically every swipe wil be a match.

In apps where it shows you how many people liked you, an attractive girl will have THOUSANDS of likes in just a matter of days. Ask any of your female friends about this and they will tell you it's true.

Story is similar for the most attractive guys.

If you are below top tier you will have a pretty bad time.

Also keep in mind, when you make a new tinder profile they tweak the algorithm for you so you will get a bunch of matches initially. This rate will drop off dramatically.

no idea. The problem with tinder is that I'd estimate 90% of girls using it only use it as a self-validation tool, where they have no interest in actually meeting any guys, but just swipe right a bunch to see what sort of caliber men they're getting.

I live in a major US city
Fuggo I'm uggo

>want to try out tinder to see how I fare
>don't want to awkwardly run into the profiles of anyone I know IRL

Does this not bother anyone else?

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>want to try out tinder to see how I fare
>everyone in my town is either a mom or 17
>I don't have any pictures of myself anyway

>I live in a major US city
Timder boost+Major US city is boosting your matches way out of proportion. 5 matches a day is good but with the tinder first day boost in a city like NY or LA is nothing to boost about

thanks, confirmed uggo

I wouldn't say uggo. Probably above average. You are simply not a Chad like most men

I thought this was about necrophilia

It's not that your necessarily ugly. The looksmax/r9k crowds frame this issue as "top 20% is attractive and everyone else is a subhuman uggo goblin". In reality, what it REALLY means is that if you're in the top 20% of looks, you can get by on looks alone. The other 80% are not "ugly" but NORMAL. It's totally normal for most men to not rely solely on looks, but also on wealth, status, personality, etc as all these things sum together for what a woman looks for in a man. It's just a matter of framing the issue.

You're right. It was the biggest redpill of my entire life. After i got fit my life hasnt been the same. I have NEVER received the level of attention I do now. Pretty fucked if you ask me. Even men like me more. Some will try to be my friend and wont leave me alone but really that's nothing new. I went from being borderline invisible in class to mogging every other male. That's what going from skelly dyel to fit will do for you. Body is way too important for people not to invest in it. Women with shittier faces will go up in value if they have good bodies. Apply that to men. Get fit you fucks and for god sake learn how to cut

if someone is above average but not a Chad then how can most men be Chads?

Most men aren't chads. That was my point.

im attractive and get a lot of matches, but heres the thing. lots of tinder matches =/= lots of dates
most girls, i'd say 90% (I live in Toronto, ON, Canada) just turn out to be flakers and always have an excuse not to meet up. Think about how scared girls are in their daily life with the media telling them all men are rapists etc. do you really think they're gonna agree to meet up with a complete stranger? seriously, for me it's like every 10 matches im lucky to get 1 date meet up out of it
the really hot girls on there usually have boyfriends already and do it purely for ego

Redpill post. Normies take note.

dude a 1/10 rate is phenomenal and you really don't need anything more than that

Most men aren't. I wish I realized this sooner. Back when I was in highschool and college, I always thought of myself as the odd one out. Everyone else is slamming strange puss every weekend. But actually, that wasn't the case at all. Sure, many guys would bullshit and claim they were, but the reality is that very VERY few men are casanovas like that. Everyone else goes to bars/parties/whatever and strikes out over and over and over and then MAYBE gets lucky every once in a blue moon. They're all trying to cargo-cult emulate Chad, but they're not Chad.

It's because most women just use tinder to get a few titillation over a man giving them some attention and saying they're attractive. The majority never had any plans on actually meeting with any of the guys in the first place.

I'll dumb it down for you dunning-kruger syndrome pseuds:
>Survey asks women to rate 100 pictures of men
>Women rate 80% of them 5/10 or lower
There, that's how "80% of men" can be considered "below average in looks".

I agree with you. The thing is though, although the girls I've met up with and actually gone on dates on have been few, I fucked them all on the first or second date. That's the one saving grace. If you had to go through matching, talking, getting number, setting up date, and then it fizzling out, it would be hell, but usually if a girl is actually down to meet up then she's also dtf

>learn how to cut
how to

how tall are you?

Calorie deficit and keep lifting. You will feel weak in the gym and wont pr but you will lose weight. Count calories and weight yourself multiple times every day.
Im about 6ft even perhaps a little less. Yeah height helps but it isnt like im some tall freak it's just everyone lies about height by adding two inches. Feel bad for manlets really. Women are brutal about that shit too

Yeah, ignoring the Jow Forums memes, 6ft is tall. Sadly your experience simply doesn't apply when you're 5'8 like me. I'm not self-conscious about my height and I don't view it as a detriment, but I simply do not have that happen to me, even with a good physique and a good face. I can be attractive but simply not intrinsically viewed as "dominant"

how long lifting? post body? need some inspiration rn

Almost 2 years. After 6 months though i realized how unfit everyone else is. After a year I outlifted everyone that I thought was so strong when is started. Most are dyel but even I still feel small sometimes. Im by no means huge but I look pretty aesthetic.
Yeah sorry. If it's any consolation, I'm too autistic and reclusive to capitalize on anything.

I am literally ugly and I'm well aware of it

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If you can line up multiple dates a week you’re probably attractive.

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I liked 300 people, got 3 matches and none replied.

Fuck.

>How would you know if you were smart? You would probably realize after grasping new concepts quickly, doing very well on your tests, being told you were special or smart.
Smart people tend to doubt their intelligence

>Even if I work my ass off and get a great body I will always be limited by my fugly face and shit hair
G-Good thing I don't lift for girls...

i know a guy at work that gets multiple tinder dates every week, but literally every time i show his picture to any chick i know they immediately say he's unattractive.

> showing a picture of another dude to multiple girls to see if she thinks hes attractive or not

is this a joke? who the fuck is autistic enough to do this.

I'm delighted that you finally discovered what women say is by and large horse shit.

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I’d focus less on online dating then, more cafes/bars/libraries/etc
I said probably. Obviously he’s doing fine if he has dates, the women in your particular social circle could be extra picky? Also, his bio could be funny/interesting which could compensate for being less physically attractive.

>Women doing math
Checks out, it's a hypergamic weighted average

ok bro. lets all head over to r/incels. see you there!

Yeah, I bet if it were graphed logarithmically it'd look right.

>tfw 70 matches in the first month
>now 5-10 a month

what did women mean by this?

On tinder you know that the person you're talking to wants to or is at least open to hooking up with people. Random grill at a cafe or library might not only be repulsed by you, but also the chance that she's taken is pretty high. She also might just want to eat/read/whatever. I dunno, maybe I'm just coping cuz I hate approaching random chicks in public

word must have gotten around. sorry bro

tough shit it's what ya gotta do bruv

what word

Sure, but what are your goals? Just easy lays or an actual relationship? You're not going to meet any quality women on tinder. Just vapid whores and burnt-out slags. At some point you have to meet women IRL if you want a good one. And this either means encountering random women you meet in your day to day life, or meeting friends of mutual friends.

I want to have sex with lots of sluts and not be in a relationship. You're right though, the quality gfs I've had in the past have been friends of friends, which is the ideal.

>80% are below average
I'm not very good at maths, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't make much sense

>On tinder you know that the person you're talking to wants to or is at least open to hooking up with people.

Only if the person is real and isn't a creeper catfisher of whatever sex or a LARPING troll or one of the AI or paid ego strokers who keep idiots on the program.

It's a big fucking joke.

i get told im attractive pretty often and girls like me when i go out, i've been asked out on dates etc. but i still struggle getting the girls i actually like/feel something for. it's not black or white.

Yes, but it's what women PERCEIVE as below average. It's just more confirmation that women are retarded. Shit like this is why don't do well in STEM. Their minds simply aren't wired for rational/analytical thought.

Its because the study itself asks women if people are beliw qvg and women on avg think 80% of avg men are below average

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You don't randomly walk up to women you retard. You can tell who's interested and not before ever approaching.

If you can't, then you're ugly. Even autists would notice the signals.

Consider the following ten numbers: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 5. Take the average.

>tfw bought a $500 DSLR camera just because I thought I wasn't getting matches due to camera quality.
>tfw only 15 girls (most fat) swiped right on me in first 24 hours
It's over for me isn't it

No i right swipe them if they're hot, everyone is on tinder 80% just for fun anyway

it's the setting that counts most. a sub-par photo of you can still work wonders if you're out doing something social with other people.

But why though? All women profiles have selfies.

Thanks for the advice, I guess I can get some high quality pictures with friends. It is just getting ridiculous how much effort is required for guys

Also, should I put my job in my profile?

because status is subconsciously what attracts women the most i believe. nothing wrong with selfies mate - i know that this pic is going to get a lot of hate but it does well on tinder.

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i would include it somewhere if you feel that it's respectable/worth mentioning

Women are displaying their genetic value. Men are displaying social/fiscal/protector/excitement/etc value.

To be fair something like 75% of Americans are overweight or obese

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Who unironically wastes time thinking about this shit? You’re a man, not a woman.

You can’t coast in life without bringing something to the table. Dick isn’t worth anything.

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I'm an Electrical engineer, imo women automatically think "beta" when they hear/see it. Although I don't want to seem unemployed...

Your lats aren't big enough bruv.

Your jawline, skin, and hair looks good in this picture man. No wonder it does well

like 2/3 of people are overweight
getting in the top 20% isnt that much of a deal

Tinder literally has an algorithm that puts you at a higher priority que in the beginning when you first create an account, then lower as time passes. It’s also based on an ELO system so the better you do on tinder the more likely you are to see other attractive people.

If you can’t get any luck then just remake your account and try again.

>Tinder literally has an algorithm that puts you at a higher priority que in the beginning when you first create an account, then lower as time passes.

its not fucking fair!

i always super like people i know, then proceed to bants

>80% of men are below average in looks

thats not how averages work

thanks for the kind words. it's just good angle and lighting though. my point of posting it is that we can all use selfies, just so long as you have other real pictures to supplement.

>People can deny lookism all they want, but it’s real

science knows the halo effect is real. People that deny it are people that have spent most of their life attractive and want to believe all the good treatment they get is because of who they are as a person. It would hurt their ego to accept that no one really likes who they are on the inside and its all superficial bullshit.