Redpill me on ASPARTAME

I would actually do that.
As a matter of fact, I think there is a market for an "organic" locally made soda pop.

Why would they need to ward away other ants if they know it is poison?

Brainlets in every species.

My fat soda friend, take the red pill and drink carbonated water.

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Anyone who tells you that aspartame is bad for you is either scientifically illiterate with regards to biochemistry and metabolism or severely autism-vaccinely retarded

Anyone who tells you that the other shit in every diet soda is equally stupid

You can't. Not because of aspartame, mind you, but because it destroys your teeth.

>hurrrr tricking the body into spiking insulin has no ill effects whatsoever
>gut bacteria, despite all the evidence to the contrary, doesn't matter
Idiot.

Sorry phoneposting

Anyone who tells you the other shit in diet soda is safe is equally stupid**

I'd suggest regular water, it doesn't taste like shit

>tricking the body into spiking insulin

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Dasani's new brand of flavored carbonated water is probably the best I've had. Took a case with me on a hiking trip a couple of months ago.

hey man, i know you read that on naturalharmony.cosmic but can you explain to me how a dipeptide would trigger the release of insulin? I know all the study (singular) that said it did was redacted for faulty methodology but surely you have some new evidence?

hey man i know that my diabetic friend who has to track his blood glucose level can drink diet soda without a drop in said concentration but maybe its the jewish xenoinsulin? you tell me man

>They change the structure of the poison molecules enough to make it not kill you.

thats not how chemistry works

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This. It's kind of funny how this happens in every fitness community on the internet, you'd think that the kind of person who's into nutrition and the science between optimizing muscle growth would not be illiterate enough to disregard the massive amount of evidence saying diet soda is fine for anything except your teeth.

Yes dumbass drinking diet soda once in a while isn't going to do anything

Similar story, my grandfather drank nothing but diet RC Cola for 20 years, ended up with Alzheimers at 65, despite no one else in the family ever developing Dementia.

It’s all so tiresome

Also I wouldn’t say diet soda itself is safe, just the aspartame. I have no idea whatsoever what’s in the dyes and “natural flavors” in coke but my natural suspicion leans towards reactive oxygen species from the dyes and god knows what from the flavors (but again I have no idea so it, at the very least, is no more dangerous than regular soda but without the caloric downsides)

Hey man I know you’re just a memer who doesn’t care about anything but on the off chance you like to know and understand things, do you know what “unscientific” means?

Just find a recipe for root beer the way Pappy used to make it.

My wife's son drank a diet coke one time and exploded

Ok, this changed my mind. Aspartame is too dangerous for human consumption. Mercola.com says aspartame causes AIDS and arthritis so I’m done with it

brainlet post. Your body is trained to recognize sweet sugury tastes and releases insulin to get more fat from the sugar because sugar is rare in nature.
If it tastes too good, its bad for you.

Aspartame internally rotates your shoulders, avoid it at all costs.

Yeah, cunt-fuck, I'm aware anecdotal evidence does not count in scientific studies. Never said I was a chemist. I was sharing a similar story like a human being, while explaining why I personally do not trust the stuff, leaving others to extrapolate from there on their own terms.

Eat my dick.

But why isn’t there a blood glucose drop after consuming diet soda?

But why does a dipeptide which is catabolized by the same enzymes used in catabolism somehow an insulin release factor?

I know your natural homeopathic bro-momscience precludes you from acknowledging the chemical impossibility, but how about the first, practical example?

My stepdad used to run a vending machine franchise when I was a kid. He'd use our garage to stock shitloads of soda, and I could drink as much as I want. I remember one summer where I drank like 2-3 bottles every day, eventually to the point where I became nauseous. I never touched soda again.

It’s how layman descriptions work though you fucking brainlet.

You seem very quick to make strong but poorly-founded judgments based on the fact that you responded with extreme anger to someone not hostile to you at all. Maybe that personality trait leads you to abandon the knowledge gleaned from people who actually are chemists in favor of socially-acceptable, but baseless opinions?

Food for thought as we all grow emotionally:)

It’s not. Aspartame is a methyl ester of two amino acids and has been shown to be safe even in massive amounts many times since it was discovered by an /individual/.

based and redpilled post so far

Diet coke tastes like shit.
Also, define "bad". The dose makes the poison. Fruit is very good for you in moderation.

Yeah, tell me the condescension dripping from your words was in no way hostile. Fuck off with your empty smilies.

I don’t know why you have to interpret my written text as words “coated in condescension”. Have I actually insulted you?

it makes your dick shrink

this true, on time my dick is vety hard but mom giv diet cock to me and i drink it then my pepe get small ahain =D

this. it's literally just 2 amino acids stuck together in a way that is shaped like sugar so it tricks your tastebuds

some artificial sweeteners can give you diarrhea if taken in large doses but that's about it.

Actually a miniscule subset of the population suffers from phenylketonuria and shouldnt drink diet coke every day (but a little is ok) so its poison

Actuslly it catabolizes to .001% or less of the methanol you’d consume in equivalent amounts of fruit juice so its poison

Thank you for bringing scientific competence to /broscience/

LMBO

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It's a real shame what the Jews/Illuminati did to this girl.

HOLY SHIT YOU FOUND ONE SPECIFIC CASE WHERE IT WOULD BE BAD PRAISE UNTO THEE, GENIUS

We obviously aren't talking about people with genetic enzyme deficiencies, mongoloid

It's safe user

Jeez someone has a hard time understanding sarcasm

Do you think someone trying to exaggerate the prevalence and severity of phenylketonuria with regards to aspartame would say “a little is okay” or “a miniscule subset”?

It wouldn't alter gut bacteria any more than eating anything containing aspartate and phenylalanine (so basically any protein source) and something containing methyl groups (like pectin in fruits and vegetables)

The best post in thread

>water tastes gross
holy fuck what has become of my country

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It's a shame she's never done any porn.

To be entirely and nit-pickingly fair it is a methoxide group in terms of metabolism (iirc its hydrolysis analogue) which produces methanol but, exactly as you said, there’s more much methanol in fruits than aspartame (relatively speaking) so idunno why i’m writing this minor concession, i should learn to be a one-sided asshole like all the stalwart anti-aspartame fellows

I experimented on myself. I measured my glucose before drinking sugar free soda, then half an hour after drinking and then 2 hours after drinking.

Results were that my glucose got down about 18 points, meaning that insulin had been released despite no new sugar in blood.

Lol? But that’s literally not how it works either practically (on the times I had my diabetic buddy do it on me), anecdotally (asking said diabetic guy) or in a controlled scientific scenario (studies).

Furthermore, the release of insulin occurs much faster than 2 hours. Because you A) didn’t mention all 3 data points and B) didn’t explicitly mention how long it had been since eating, I’m going to assume you either didn’t do it or were simply experiencing some natural and mild hypoglycemia from not having eaten in 3+ hours.

Oh, I forgot—the fact that you said so surely “x means y” after one trial that, if it even occured, was massively faulty is leading me to think that you’ve never actually functioned in a scientific environment and thus have no idea how insulin actually works (which makes sense seeing as you measured your blood glucose level TWO HOURS after “releasing insulin”) which, in turn, explains why you hate aspartame

My aunts cousins dogs friends brother injected one aspartame and now he thinks he’s a glass of orange juice.

my boyfriend measured his blood sugar after drinking a 0 calorie monster and he had no blood sugar left

ITS ALMOST LIKE YOUR BODY CAN FUEL ITSELF SOMEHOW
HMMMM

>eat food
>measure blood glucose
>high
>drink soda
>wait 2 hours
>normal

ASPARTAME IS DELETING MY SUGS

Do you have a source on this? academic.oup.com/jn/article/103/10/1454/4776545 suggests chymotrypsin hydrolyzes the methyl group to yield methanol.

>It tastes gross
Why the fuck does everyone say this, it tastes fine.

>It may taste gross

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At the end of the day, it's probably not that big of a deal. The data on aspartame being bad comes from studies in rats where they were given megadoses of the stuff that you couldn't possibly acquire on your own in any easy manner.

However, I do view diet sodas as a crutch. The thing about the modern normie diet is that everything is so saturated with sugar/HFCS that you get used to the overly-sweet flavor of everything. If you fully cut out all this sweet-tasting stuff, including artificial sweeteners, what starts to happen is you readjust and normal unprocessed and unsweetened foods start tasting sweeter. And I get the feeling that if you rely on diet sodas to get you through, this isn't happening, and the constant sweetness is liable to make oyu relapse and gorge on actual sweeties/sugars/sodas later on.

Its poison, stop drinking poison user.

I like carbonated water stuff, but la croix tastes like fucking garbage.

Calling it a methyl group implies that the removed group would become methane or be involved in methyl transfer, etc.

While it IS a methyl group on the ester oxygen (methyl ester) there are molecules responsible for transfering their methyl groups to other molecules

It’s really just semantics, the reason I called it methoxide is solely because your post seemed to imply that the catabolism produced asp, phe, and CH3R (methyl) when it produces CH3OH and, of that, only the CH3O can intuitively come from the aspartame

In short we agree but I wanted to concede that it produced some smallamnt. of methanol where you simply stated that it was a methyl group (which it is as a molecule)

or maybe the ants don't eat it because it provides no fucking nutrients you stupid NIGGERS

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ITS WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE NO NOURISHMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Based even if i drink diet soda regularly (at restaurants only, never at home) and never relapse on soda even if no diet soda is available

Despite me being pro-aspartame and you “against” you are a reasonable user

nah lol its poison i read it online once

I made sure to wait 2 hours after eating before making my experiment.

A lot of scientific claims without any sources.
>Ants will not eat it.
Objectively not true.

You're the reason why Jow Forums is shit. Spewing random shit without any actual proof to support you.

I wouldn't even consider myself against aspartame or other zero-calorie sweeteners. I got no problem having a diet soda or diet iced tea here or there. My issue is when people use it as a crutch and are chugging it 24/7 rather than face the actual issue, which is their sweet tooth addiction and lack of self control. Those are the types that will end up relapsing, imo.

There's no connection to Lou Gehrig's I've ever heard from and a stroke is likely caused by other underlying health issues.

I know aspartame is fucking terrible but let's not blame it for everything.

So your blood sugar went down after not eating for 4 and a half hours and this proves that aspartame releases insulin?

You should publish your post to Biochemistry or Nature lol

>Calling it a methyl group implies that the removed group would become methane or be involved in methyl transfer, etc.
How so?

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>I know aspartame is fucking terrible but let's not blame it for everything.
Name 1 (one) way it’s bad that doesn’t have to do with interfering with getting rid of a sweet tooth

Only because your post made no mention of hydrolysis or methanol

I don’t mean this to sound rude becausr you haven’t made a mistake in anything yet but do you come from a chemistry background or did you just find that online?

drink coconut water

Once in a while should be fine, but make sure not to over do it. I used to drink this suger free flavor water with aspartame every day. Over time I developed a headache that stopped once I switched to regular water.

Recently I drank 36 cans of diet coke in less than 48 hours and felt perfectly fine

>drink caffeinated beverage
>get headache
>must’ve been the [Compound that has never been linked to headaches except by clickbait pseudohealth websites]

Nice

First you've gone from OCH3 instead of CH3 being the relevant player to that it is semantically illegal for a methyl group to be attacked by enzymatic hydrolysis to produce methanol. Now you're nitpicking that I didn't mention hydrolysis or methanol when I gave an example of another compound (pectin) that kinda implied that and questioning my education. What the fuck is it?

It can disrupt permeability of the cell walls in the intestines and it is damaging to your kidneys

But seriously anyone claiming something causes headaches ought to have a friend flip a coin and give them either the real thing or a placebo on several occasions band see what happens.

Your brain is fantastic at deceiving you

>cell walls in the intestines
Stopped reading there.

anybody else here consume nearly no added sugar just because you think it probably causes cancer.?

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I’m not questioning your education I’m trying to figure out why you can’t see that I solely wanted to plainly concede the presence of methanol (pectin, aspartame) vs methyl (SAM-e)

Jesus dude for 3 posts I’ve said that we agree on the actual chemicals involved but that you didn’t mention methanol, oxygen, hydrolysis even once in your post

If you don’t come from a chemistry background the term “hydrolyzing a methyl group” would be this mystical thing where you hydrolyze a methyl but if you do you know that it’s nucleophylic acyl substitution in which the CH3-O group is a leaving group that’s protonated either by the acidic solution or, in a basic solution, the former ester’s new acidic hydrogen

>I won't accept things written in layman's terms
ok, stay ignorant

Any artificial sweetner produces an insulin response so all of them contribute to type 2 diabetes albeit less than sugar

>an excuse for talking out of your ass
>stay SHEEPLE!!!
like poetry

Any deterrent from consuming that shit is a plus (and that's a good thing unironcally)