well Jow Forums? do YOU understand the GENETICS of being FAT?
Well Jow Forums? do YOU understand the GENETICS of being FAT?
Gabriel Evans
Brayden Howard
My whole family is fat. I was fat too... bad genetics after all. Diets didn’t work, exercising didn’t work... nothing ever worked! One day it hit me: “You have to stick with it for more than a week and a half in order for it to be affective”. Bam! 1.5 years later and I have abs. Turns out, fat people are just lazy. Who would have thought?
Sebastian Robinson
>Implying laziness isn't genetic.
David Parker
>Using several sources, we identified nine twin and five adoption studies; all of these studies had used relative weight as an indicator of obesity. Except the two twin studies from the Korean population, all studies represented Caucasian populations. In a meta-analysis of these twin studies, we found that genetic factors had a strong effect on the variation of body mass index (BMI) at all ages. The common environmental factors showed a substantial effect in mid-childhood, but this effect disappeared at adolescence. Adoption studies supported the role of family environment in childhood obesity as correlations were found between adoptees and adoptive parents; however, correlations were substantially stronger between parents and their biological offspring, further supporting the importance of genetic factors.
Aiden Sanders
There are a fuckton of studies on obesity that identify every link under the sun that isn't just eating too damn much.
One posited childhood sleep quality as the single most linear association with obesity later in life.
My bet is and will always be on thermodynamics.
Charles Garcia
I wonder who she voted for in 2016
Daily reminder that HAES/fat acceptance is a way for liberals to turn their laziness into a social movement and forcibly silence anyone who disagrees.
>b-but there are fat conservatives! Trump is fat!
I know. But only liberals are pathetic enough to make it a social movement and rally in its favor. A liberal would rather attempt to be a """""revolutionary""""" and force society to adapt to their backwards ass world view than develop discipline and work towards a positive goal. Disgusting and pathetic.
>b-b-but I'm a liberal a-and
No. Pic related is what any liberal trying to argue with this thread looks like.
Carson Foster
It's not really that simple, which is why you're wrong. Children conceived during famine for example, have much higher rates of obesity than the average population, even generations later.
Zachary Bennett
>being this autistic
Cringey blogpost mate
Jaxson Young
>Laws of thermodynamics
>Not really that simple
Eat a dick, schlomo. There are no studies needed to understand metabolic needs vary from person to person based on genetic and environmental factors. However that still doesn't mean a healthy, calculated diet and exercise have EVER failed to prevent obesity, since calories do not appear from thin air. Fucking sophist piece of shit.
Oliver Powell
>eat less exercise more is such an outdated phrase
she's right tho. but not for the reasons she thinks.
idmprogram.com
Josiah Collins
I immidiately suspect people who put their profession or credentials in their social media handles
I suspect there could be an epigenetic component, though
Charles Gutierrez
Wow, bro, really convinced me with all your fancy science talk.
Owen Thompson
If being fat mostly has to do with genetics, then all that means is that obese people are genetic mistakes.
Landon Mitchell
>young obese people are clean on paper but are burning their candle at both ends
>living on health credit
Levi Campbell
Yassss queen, you really showed him!!
Gavin Hughes
>In other words, these FOADish tendencies can be transmitted across generations, without the benefit of genes. It's not due to shared genes, but to shared environment, namely, the intimately shared blood supply during gestation.
Amazing. This is precisely what is seen in the Dutch Hunger Winter population, in that their grandchildren are born with lower than expected birth weights. This is seen in other realms as well.
>Pick some rats at random and feed them on a diet that will make them become obese at the time of pregnancy. As a result, their offspring, despite being fed a normal diet, have an increased risk of obesity. As will their grandkids. Similarly, in humans, having insulin-resistant diabetes while pregnant increases the risk of the disorder in your offspring, after controlling for weight. Wait a second—going through a famine means less nutrients in the bloodstream, while having insulin-resistant diabetes means more. How can they produce the same thrifty metabolism in the fetus?
>Remember, you have elevated levels of glucose in the bloodstream in the case of diabetes because you can't store the stuff. Recall a one-sentence factoid from chapter 4—when overstuffed fat cells begin to become insulin-resistant, they release hormones that urge other fat cells and muscle to do the same. And those hormones get into the fetal circulation. So you have Mom, who is insulin-resistant because she has too much energy stored away releasing hormones that make the normal-weight fetus bad at energy storage as well... and the fetus winds up underweight and with a thrifty metabolic view of the world.
>So expose a fetus to lots of glucocorticoids and you are increasing its risk for obesity hypertension, cardiovascular disease, insulin-resistant diabetes, maybe reproductive impairments, maybe anxiety, and impaired brain development. And maybe even setting up that fetus's eventual offspring for the same.
Dominic Wilson
>Population genetically thinks there is little food
>Metabolic changes are genetically passed on to offspring
Holy shit, hold the presses for this ground shaking discovery! Apparently person A can eat the same thing as person B but get fat, while person B stays thin! Therefore person A is fat because genetics!!!
Or person A could just eat according to their needs and not blindly copy person B I guess.
Jackson Cooper
If you don't even realize the assumptions you're making with what you typed here, then there's no point in continuing this. You probably think all cars get the same mpg because they all use gasoline. Just stop trying already.
Benjamin Brooks
I see you're actually serious, which makes your retardation as funny as it is sad.
Using your own analogy: different cars get different mpg, which means some need more gas than others. They are not somehow destined to have overflowing tanks and eventual premature scrapping because the vehicle is shitty, that's just their delusional owner pumping too much gas because he doesn't understand his own fucking vehicle.
Any argument that states there are clear differences in energy requirements for any reason are not news to anyone. Using such arguments to imply anyone is destined to carry en excess of energy for such reasons is deceptive sophistry at best.
Kill yourself faggot.
Adrian Brown
It's almost like people have to adjust their diets to their body :^)
Jack Sullivan
>different cars get different mpg, which means some need more gas than others.
I’m just going to stop reading there.
Why do some cars get 8 mpg and others 30 mpg? How would this compare with two people, one conceived in typical circumstances and one conceived during a famine? Do you think it’s possible that the efficiency of the metabolic systems in both people might differ, causing one to become diabetic and the other not, despite both eating generally the same amount?
>As a result, their offspring, despite being fed a normal diet, have an increased risk of obesity. As will their grandkids.
>being fed a normal diet
>normal diet
Adam Ross
I'm not sure if you noticed, but these studies don't control calories. Environment and genetics absolutely control appetite and cravings, nobody is disputing that. What we are disputing is that these people are violating the laws of thermodynamics. If they ate fewer calories, their body would burn fat. Or they would die, but that's an exceedingly rare disease.
Chase James
No fuck off don't fucking derail this thread with politics you faggot. Whoever you are you keep ruining fph threads so Fuck off
Angel Young
>violating the laws of thermodynamics
Surely no scientist has ever heard of this before. You’d better call Yale and Harvard and tell them you debunked the Dutch Hunger Winter studies. Wow, you’ll be famous.
Levi Harris
You must truly either be illiterate or stupid, otherwise you wouldn't keep avoiding such obvious points. You could of course be trolling, but for this little payoff that would be beyond sad. Let me just make it super clear for you regardless:
Nobody is denying genetic factors influence how many calories you need, or how efficiently they are used. We disagree on the conclusion of this, however, where you seem to suggest this must mean they are destined to be fat because when eating the same as normal people they get fatter than others.
That conclusion is absurd, however, and the people who believe this delusional morons that are incapable of basic logic, since these people are still bound by the laws of physics and would not get fat if they simply ate less and exercised more. The fact that they measure themselves to others that are not analogous to them is equivalent to a 5'2 woman eating the same as a 6'2 man and whining about how it's genetics that made her fat.
Your posts reek of desperate fatty delusion. If you truly are destined to be genetically fat, may I suggest killing yourself instead of waiting for the beetus to take you?
Jordan Flores
It's not even challenging the study. Having a hard time managing what you eat doesn't mean you've broken unity. If you can show me a study that shows definitely controlling calories doesn't change fat storage, I'll change my tune.
Angel Walker
All that probably means is that appetite is somewhat heritable, and has an effect on weight because fatties can't control theirs. It's still true that eating less and exercising more will result in a lower bodyweight and higher degree of fitness. But I'm sure those lovely folks over at HAES will have a different """interpretation"""
Jeremiah Martinez
Everyone in this thread is arguing for one and the same thing. It's a shitfest.
TL;DR this whole discussion: Jinnetix and Environment influence weight, so does calory intake
Fuck everyone in this thread
James Evans
>calorie intake influences weight
>the moon influences the tide
Damn, Copernicus
Luke Phillips
Clearly it's no more genetic than being fat seeing as this user overcame it
Cameron Turner
>live in an age where most people could live well into their nineties if they look after themselves properly
>people would rather get fat and die in their early seventies
Caleb Taylor
>its not that simple
It really is that simple
Somebody who puts on weight easier... eats even fewer calories. It really is that fucking simple.
Jayden Baker
Genetics and environment influence TDEE
Eating below TDEE=losing weight
Eating above TDEE=gaining weight
It's really that simple...
Camden Myers
The human body isn't a simple combustion reaction. We produce hormones to process food into energy. Eating under your TDEE for extended periods of time will make your metabolism drop to adjust to the lack of food.
I'm not saying fatties are fat from nothing. Anybody can lose weight by fasting.
There are a lot more variables than CICO fags want to address.
Christopher Phillips
I wonder how fat genes have been proliferating faster than population growth.
Jace Cooper
>realize X-Men is true.
But the only mutation is Blob.
Alexander Myers
>You probably think all cars get the same mpg because they all use gasoline. Just stop trying already.
If I buy a car that gets shit gas mileage, I have to budget for it.
If you're a fat cunt with shit genetics (assuming obesity is genetic) then you have to budget for it i.e. sort your fucking diet out. You can't stuff your face like normal people can in the same way someone with cystic fibrosis can't run a marathon.
Fatties need to take responsibility.
Alexander Phillips
This, my whole family is of Irish descent, and I ironically blame my "Irish Genes" for why it's easy for me to put on weight, a result of ancestors surviving the potato famine. Realistically though it hasn't stopped me from cutting from 25% bf to 14% through an aggressive change in nutrition and exercise.
Tyler Barnes
based
Sebastian Rivera
>It's not even challenging the study. Having a hard time managing what you eat doesn't mean you've broken unity. If you can show me a study that shows definitely controlling calories doesn't change fat storage, I'll change my tune.
They recently did such a study on rats. Why rats? because you cannot lock in humans for decades and cycle them through all possible diets without a riot. You can with rats, though.
What came out of it is that only fat intake plays a role in obesity. Not calories, not carbs (even if it meant the rats mostly eating sugar), protein or anything else. Just fat. They also debunked the notion of a "protein goal" (ie. the body gets satiated as soon as you hit a certain protein value per day and won't get satiated otherwise).
It is just the fat intake and nothing else.
sciencedirect.com
This study wa spretty much ignored by the mainstream fitness industry though and you can imagine why. Really, the only point of critique is that it's a study on rats. But it is at the point you cannot do it on humans.
Eli Collins
Are genetics and other factors other than "thermodynamics lol" accountable for difficulty when losing weight? Yes, absolutely
Do these factors make it impossible to lose weight instead of just a little harder? Nope
Ryan Wilson
>le cringe
Hello rèddit
Jaxson Thompson
Based
Julian Allen
>Do these factors make it impossible to lose weight instead of just a little harder? Nope
Science disagrees.
But losing isn't the real problem - keeping it of is.
Nathan Robinson
>there are so many fat people who are truly completely healthy on paper and do fine
>on paper
what's funny is that despite the internet being global and millions of people every day post shit about everything on social media; i don't think i have seen even one fatty (not just someone slightly chubby) presenting actual doctor evidence of their health
Jackson Powell
>Science disagrees
Going to have to see some of that science, boss.
Brayden Johnson
Did you even read my post? Go back and try again.
Caleb Sanchez
>I'm just sure of it
>cant wait to have the evidence to back me up
lmao the absolute state
John Bailey
yes. pic related
Austin Gray
Chemistry, biology and physics agree. Statistics/epidemiology disagree because fatties are bad at losing weight.