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>no food is really bad for you in moderation. All problems come from excess
>the fitness industry exists to fleece you out of your hard earned money.
>1/2/3/4 is god tier to 99% of the population
>unless your running 6+ miles a day, cardio really doesn’t kill gains.
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I agree with all of these save for the first one. There are certain food to which you probably shouldn't ingest.
/2/3/4 is god tier to 99% of the population
>caring about what normies think
Never gunna make it
i just disagree with the first one. It is not true.
1/2/3/4 is the biggest meme here and far from impressive
Like what?
nope, that award would go to nofap.
jacking off is so cool
genetics, hormones, and overall health mostly determine progress, assuming you're working out multiple times per week, eating enough, and sleeping enough.
what the fuck does 1/2/3/4 mean?
1 plate, 2 plate, 3 plate, 4 plate?
OHP, Bench, Squat, Deadlift?
saturated fat is paramount to testosterone
Yes.
All your goal bodies were attained with roids. Every athlete uses performance enhancing substances.
MUSCLES ARE NOT
A
SUBSTITUTE
FOR
PERSONALITY
one loving wife
two kids
three bedroom house
four loyal friends
The goal of the male existence is to reach a point of complete detachment from your own body that would allow you to utilize it to it's full potential.
>kids
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>1/2/3/4 is beginner tier, compare yourself to lifters not non-lifters
>if you lift to attract women you'll turn fat/skinnyfat after you get what you want
>strength and hypertrophy are not mutually exclusive
>your diet and therefore bodyfat % have more to do with how you look than how you lift
BOOORRRINNNNGGGG
nah 1/2/3/4 is how you know you are not a novice anymore. The question is what set-rep range are we talking here.
Fuck off it's easier than trying to meet people. Besides I'm a narcissist who loves to look in the mirror so looking fitter is like a mental jerk off so I'm everyday happy
It's a 1rm, puts you a little short if a 1000lb total which is totally doable within a year. Anything else has far more variance than a 1rm.
>smoking weed after doing 600mg speed will give you a panic attack
never going to make it
Thats impossible
I always thought it was a 5 rep max.
Not saying it's a bad life but come on. It is a boring one. You're probably majoring in engineering or some equally bland nerd dad career.
I bet you're still in college
Yeah, so?
Different people are going to have their 5rm be a different percentage of their 1rm. Generally speaking the higher 5rm is going to mean the higher 1rm but two people with different 5rms can have the same 1rm. 1rm is the only way to be objective.
>1/2/3/4 is for a working 5RM
>trans fats
>farm raised seafood from China
>mammalian brains
Trans fats are fine in moderation
I think OP meant normal food, obviously you could be like "poison is a food you shouldn't eat!" sounds like you're just trying to be that
>Ackshually guy
You can not outrun or outlift a bad diet. You are at best only slightly increasing your metabolism by adding more body mass or activity.
The most efficient and powerful weight loss exercise you can do right now is walking.
Every form of resistance will lead to strength and greater muscle mass. All of them.
You will inevitably snap your shit up if you lift for strength. That is a fact.
If you have to ask, then no they are not natty.
All athletes from highschool up, all models, all actors, all people who compete at a semipro level up in basically anything are on some kind of performance enhancing drug.
If you take test before your body is through finalizing everything in your endocrine system, you will forever have lowered test levels and lowered sperm production, You'll be smaller and your dick will be smaller as well.
The most dangerous things in the western diet are Vegetable oils, and synthetic sugars, and genetically modified 50Y. Eliminate those three things from your diet and things containing or were coooked with those those things and you will feel and look better almost immediately.
Caffeine is a drug and it's negatives far outstrip it's positives. Those concentration and thinking gains you get from it? Don't exist.
You are just pushing back the withdrawal of the drug and are just functioning normally.
You can skip a meal fat ass.
If you're fat as fuck you can skip 21 meals.
trans fats that result from hydrogenation are not fine, in any amount, just like mercury in fish isn't fine.
Believe it or not our bodies are pretty fucking amazing at dealing with shit that's harmful, so yes you can have some mercury in your diet or trans fats without experiencing negative health affects. But go on being willfully obtuse.
There's really no safe amount of hydrogenated oils. I mean, there's a safe level the same way there's a safe level of cigarettes- one a year probably won't kill you.
So OHP 60kg for a single, and benching 100kg for a single is impressive?
I reached all of those goals for reps (x3-5) within 1 year of lifting seriously except for the squat which was 130kgx5.
It's not impressive. It's way above the average gym noob, but you're at best an early intermediate at those numbers when compared to people who actually try.
>You will inevitably snap your shit up if you lift for strength. That is a fact.
THIS. This is why I only lift for volume now.
These are just your opinions man.
You can burn around 1000 cals a day just by walking slowly up hill.
You ain't getting swole with a 1 lb beanbag
Your body doesn't "finalize anything" in your endocrine system. There's no evidence timing of steroid use impacts testosterone production. Early use can lead to premature closure of the growth plates
There's nothing "dangerous" about vegetable oil. A high monounsaturated diet like high oleic sunflower oil is pretty decent.
Caffeine and coffee is a great performance and longevity enhancer in moderation. It's no substitute for sleep though. Plenty of empirical neuroscience research contradicts your broscience assertions.
You're right, fatties can skip a meal. Or 20.
Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is superior so lift heavy
At a certain point do more volume but still do heavy sets occasionally
>vegtable oil bad
Ok, Ive heard this from enough different sources to actually believe it but I still don't know why it's so bad
>You can burn around 1000 cals a day just by walking slowly up hill.
I outright say that walking is the most efficient "exercise" you can do. But to call it exercise and not just a state of being that should be as natural as breathing and sleeping makes it seem like a chore and many won't do it because of it.
>You ain't getting swole with a 1 lb beanbag
No shit retard.
If you have to erect strawmen that big then you obviously aren't too sure about your stance.
>Your body doesn't "finalize anything" in your endocrine system.
Yes you fucking retard it does. By finalize I mean stop growing.
>There's no evidence timing of steroid use impacts testosterone production.
Except that there is and every single solitary person who's ever been on at any point and isn't selling gear or the lifestyle to make ends will tell you that you're either retarded or full of shit.
>Early use can lead to premature closure of the growth plates
Yes. we all know that.
>There's nothing "dangerous" about vegetable oil. A high monounsaturated diet like high oleic sunflower oil is pretty decent.
It's a litteral poison that's lead to a boost in cancers and diabetes.
>Caffeine and coffee is a great performance and longevity enhancer in moderation. It's no substitute for sleep though. Plenty of empirical neuroscience research contradicts your broscience assertions.
It is not.
the enhancement in performance has been shown to be you simply fixing the withdrawal symptoms from not having coffee.
Can you post some links that state otherwise.
I used to love using coffee for a post workout boost and I would like to be proven wrong.
>You're right, fatties can skip a meal. Or 20.
Yeah.
So why bring it up.
Explain.
the biggest fitness redpill will always be that doing 80% of basic stuff correctly is 90% of your overall gains.
if you aren't doing heavy compounds, eating clean enough (AND THE RIGHT AMOUNT), resting enough, and working to improve all aspects of your fitness slowly but consistently (fat loss if you dont have abs, muscle gains, cardio gains, strength gains, work capacity gains) then your shits all fucked up and retarded and you HAVE TO fix these things before you can accomplish anything else
Cardiovascular health (i. e., stamina) is gained slowly and lost incredibly fast. That's why dyels keep the "cardio kills gains" meme alive and that's why they'll stay dyels forever. Do 20 minutes of running every day or ever other day. 40 if you're a fatty.
Swimming is top tier cardio because the water acts as cooling. It eliminates sweating and overheating almost entirely, making it easier to go faster and longer.
Learn butterfly and freestyle, and never have to worry about your upper body ever again in your life.
Casual conversation with a girl does not mean she's into you.
Very well said.
I always fell into the middle of 1RM and 5reps.
>5Reps OHP and Bench, 1rep Squat and DL.
no
Oops meant the other way. Myofibrillar hypertrophy is superior. Though of course they're not mutually exclusive and maybe once you're lifting heavy weights for reps you can achieve all at once.
It's pretty theoretical but seems logical.
Myofibrillar: increase in size of muscle fibres
Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy: increase in muscle cell fluid
defrancostraining.com/why-all-muscle-was-not-created-equal/
Yeah you always need to state reps for it to mean anything.
But I think in the context of Jow Forums it is referring to 5RM.
Most people do a beginners LP 3x5 program to start off with, and reaching the point where you are stalling repeatedly so have to switch to an intermediate routine comes somewhere around 1/2/3/4 for the working sets of 5. Obviously for someone who has done well on the program, bulked hard, etc. Maybe not for 5 reps on everything but usually at least one or two of the lifts, and so when they progress past there to getting 1/2/3/4 for 5 each lift it is an achievement generally marking the start of intermediate status.
WHAT??
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SCARY HELICOPTER SOUNDS!
SPEAK UP!!!
mammalian brains are full of dha, just eat around the prions
GF distribution is completely random and arbitrary and if you are a no gf type then efforts trying to get one are as futile as trying to breathe underwater.
and a partridge in a pear tree
>a literal central nervous stimulant isn't performance enhancing
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
>RESULTS:Caffeine taken before (3-6 mg/kg) or during (1-2 mg/kg) endurance exercise enhances performance, through central nervous system and direct muscle effects.
wrong 1/2/3/4 refers to 5 reps
IMO pre workout isn't a necessity after a certain period of working out.. your body adapts and you just need to drag your ass to the gym, eat a banana or something, and put on some intense music
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Remember the dog food scandal in 2007? TONS of dogs food companies all over world had dog food with MELAMINE added to products. It was labeled as wheat gluten and rice protein concentrate. Of course, it was imported from China.
Do you think the Chinese suppliers of that food care more about you than dogs? Or more about profits?
lmao fuck outta here with those standards
here's a bunch of redpills including a few that Jow Forums generally can't swallow
>going below like 12% bf as a natty will leave you looking dyel
>lifting for strength will not make you big
>there is no reason at all to touch a barbell
>machines are good
Both so true. I'm a lazy piece of shit who never works out and should have been an athlete but I allowed depression and videogames to steal my potential. I barely work out and can run 4 miles begrudgingly if I try at 300 lbs. Benched 155 the first time I worked out at 170 lbs (haven't always been sloppy garbage). I have every genetic gift athletically in the world but am a fat sack of garbage. Makes me depressed I don't do anything with them.
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depends what you mean by lifting for strength. It's kind of missleading.
If you are hunting 1rm prs then yeah you are prolly gonna snap your shit up
>no reason to use barbell
i think this is bait but why not? every credible lifter on the planet uses barbells to some extent, why shouldn't you?
Cardio is gained slowly? What? I went from literally bedridden sick, when I first started running again I would be out of breath and in stitches in 500m of slow running. It took me 3 weeks to get to 6km runs, at which point I switched to sprints.
Op didn't say it was impressive overall, just that normies are impressed by that.
>just because SS will get you lifting the most weight quickest doesn't mean it's the best for you in the long term
>Most people on fit run generic LPs until they get bored and quit lifting
>If you do 205 for 3x5 today and then 215 for 3x3 the next day you did not get stronger
>Most people need more volume
>Most people need more conditioning
>Most people need more back work
>Frequency is unimportant so long as volume is the same, this is why brosplits work for nattys sometimes
>Someone starting from nothing in terms of physical activity will not progress at the same pace as someone who played sports their whole life
>Naturally enhanced is a bad program with good ideas behind it
What?
>going below like 12% bf as a natty will leave you looking dyel
I'm natty, 210lbs at 10% bf. I'm not massive but definitely bigger than almost everyone I see, including many roiders I know (but without the roid traps). The problem here is not that you'll be dyel, but that you'll take 3 times as long as a roider to not be dyel.
>lifting for strength will not make you big
My time is pretty much evenly split between lifting for strength and lifting for hypertrophy
>there is no reason at all to touch a barbell
The lifts I swear by are Bench, OHP, Deads, Squats, weighted Pull/Chin ups, weighted dips. Not a single dumbbell in sight. You've got this the wrong way around chap - theres no reason to touch a dumbbell. If you want to be big as a natty, you need to get on them heavy ass compounds in the 8-10 rep range.
>machines are good
Some are good for isolation and light work, but if you're natty you're wasting your time.
>weighted chins, rows don't grow your biceps if you have high insertions
I don't know why yet but everyone who swears by high reps usually has higher insertions than the guys doing chins
>mammalian brains
why? I've been eating sheep brain every now and then, and I know plenty of people doing the same, but nothing wrong happened
probably just scared of dietary cholesterol
Every Aïd
prions
thanks for the blog post
What are prions? Should I care if I'm a smoker who killing myself anyway?
barbells make leg training incredibly easier, but barbells are not necessary at all for arm, shoulder, chest, back or neck or core maximum development
the reaosn why most credible lifters on the poanet use barbells is because lifters lift barbells otherwise they wouldn-t be considered lifters.
Furthermore, barbell training goes hand in hand with the steroid culture in american gyms.
This makes me angry. You literally get free gains and waste it boohooing about yourself. Go die.
>no food is really bad for you in moderation. All problems come from excess
Liver consumption seems to be bad even in moderation, the term "moderation" is a meme usually spread by retards who have no idea what they're talking about and just wanna make things look simple when they're not.
>the fitness industry exists to fleece you out of your hard earned money.
Great, another conspiracy theorist retard.
Hey guess what, every single fucking industry has the goal of making money, you're absolutely fucking delusional if you think any other industry does not do the same fucking thing as the fitness industry.
>1/2/3/4 is god tier to 99% of the population
No, muscle mass takes time to build, just peaking or getting better or more eficient at specific lifts does not mean you are getting noticeably muscular, it just means you are getting better at what you practise.
I know multiple 6 plate deadlifters who bench over 2 plates and still look like they don't even go to a gym.
That's the red pill, genetics, roids and type of training matter.
>unless your running 6+ miles a day, cardio really doesn’t kill gains.
This is incredibly wrong, the anabolic adaptations presented by resistance training are in direct opposition to the energy eficiency and endurance adaptations of cardio work.
Myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic muscle protein synthesis go hand in hand, mitochondrial muscle protein synthesis on the other hand contributes absolutely nothing to muscle size or strength and that's the main muscular adaptation in cardio training.
Studies have shown that combining regular cardio to a strength training program actually increases requirements for dietary protein, and maximum strength development is inhibited by the addition of cardio.
>2/3/4/5
>two loving wifes
>three (thousand) kids
>four bedroom house
>5 x prayers
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how is liver bad for you?
>>no food is really bad for you in moderation. All problems come from excess
enjoy
go look at the nutritional content of liver and see for yourself.
even just 300g of liver a week is enough to put you in vitamin A and copper toxicity territory.
Youre a retard.
Youre actually a gigantic retard.
>Muscle mass needs time to be built, youre just getting better at lifts
Faggot, getting better at lifts takes time too, it takes time to build up to a 2 plate bench.
Do you think you dont build muscle in that period?
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nice reddit spacing you juicing faggot
They didn't exclude regular caffeine drinkers however.
>90% of supplements are bullshit
>90% of people who are big and ripped are on shit
>90% of women go to the gym for attention
>90% of men don't train legs
>90% of gyms are run by joos
>lifting for strength will not make you big
Tell that to literally every weightlifter and powerlifter that competes at 90+kg
Nah you're the one who is a retard.
>getting better at lifts takes time too
the point is that it takes way less time to put 10kg on your bench than it does to make any noticeable change in your pectoral muscle cross sectional area, in fact a lot of people are able to improve their lifts without gaining any muscle, this is seen constantly on people who do retarded strength oriented training like "bulgarian", muscle gain is incredibly slow even in total beginners.
> it takes time to build up to a 2 plate bench.
yeah, but again, it takes way longer ot build any noticeable ammount of muscle mass, there are plenty of skinny weak looking dudes reaching 2 plates on the bench press.
>Do you think you dont build muscle in that period?
Not in proportion to the "strength gains", aka the technique and movement eficiency gains.
If you think you're gonna look good n 1/2/3/4 you are simply delusional, almost every single person in this board has reached this, and yet almost no one in this board looks good.
Why? Genetics, type of training, roids.
Just lmao at you if you actually think you build any noticeable ammount of muscle going from 1.5 plate to 2 plate bench press.
you're roiding though
They both juice and do a fuckton of volume.
Babby's first powerlifting type training and rarely lifting because they don't want to burn out their cns from heavy lifting is sub optimal for muscle mass gains.
you mean peoeple that are taking steroids, training everyday and sometimes multiple times a day, do assistance work in order to actually build muscle and are on a very anabolic enviroment since they're eating food constantly?
Yeah, obviously as eficient as hypertrophy specific training, amrite?
Fuck off dumbass, learn to read between the lines.
Powerlifters and weightlifters for the most part do more volume than many bodybuilders, but they have periodized training that takes this into account, people that do strength training routines all of the fucking time like SS are just wasting their time.
I had to take one month off after getting into an accident. Lifting stats mostly stayed the same but I lost 0:30/mi.
Obviously, that's some larping retard who's here to squeal on about the superiority of the barbell.
That's awesome that I can eat desert every day. Thanks Jow Forums I always know you have my best interests at heart and you're not just using this board to validate your own terrible habits
>lifting for strength is not going to make you big
>hurrrr durrrr this is why everybody lifting for strength is big!
Thanks for defeating the argument for me :)
Except "lifting for strength" for the average person is "just putting weight on the bar" which is an incredibly slow method of gaining muscle since there is no way you can just keep adding weight to a lift after your noob gains.
Powerlifters and weightlifters add in assistance work for more hypertrophy, not to mention they do a fuckton of volume and go through months straight without getting any stronger in fact they get weaker as they get bigger.
This is the main reason why lifting for strength is a fucking waste of time, not even people that focus on strength "train for strength", they periodize their training, they train for muscular gain and strength during different periods.
While the average gym rat would just get more massive if he fucking did a ton of volume and shat on strength altogether.
There is no advantage in training for strength in getting bigger, but here is a massive advantage in getting stronger by doing hypertrophy specific work at least a big portion of the year.
SS is shit for muscle because you do minimal volume in most muscle groups except legs.
Reason why legs get massive on SS but arms lag behind.
Way too little work done on the actual muscles that show.
No, increasing your bench by 10kg does not even require the gain of mucsle mass at all, all you have to do is literally lower your volume and increase your frequency, you will be able to get "stronger" at least for a while, while gaining no muscle, you can even get stronger while losing muscle on a caloric deficit, people do this all the time in beginner strength programs.
You would know this if you actually lifted weights for longer than 2 years.