I can't do a pull-up. If I decide to make pull-ups my sole goal...

I'm pretty sure the human limit of pull-ups is around 30, maybe 40 for genetic freaks

Aim for 20, that's actually attainable and fairly impressive

Chin ups are pull ups.

just watched this episode. kino

No, chin ups are chin ups. They work/activate your biceps more, and are generally way easier than pullups.

Chin ups are pull ups. That's why the military lets you grip it either way you want.

Awesome vid.

That's like saying jogging is sprinting. Just because you can do both to run a mile, doesn't make them the same exercise.

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You should probably Google the muscle they work before you talk out of your ass.

No it isn't. A chin up is a supinated grip pull up. It's the same workout as a pronated grip pull up and a neutral grip pull up. They're all pull ups. They all have the same purpose. That's why the military lets you do either grip you want. I'm getting real tired of zoomers lowering the tone of this board.

So what the military in the US decides is a good basis for deciding the difference between exercises?

Over here, the standard for the army and police is pull-ups, not chin-ups.

Pull-ups uses your brachialis and brachioradialis more (which are often underpowered in most people, hence it's harder) while chin-ups use your Biceps brachii more. There's also some slight differences between the level of activation of different back muscles.

If you're training for the army, then of course do chin-ups if they allow that as it's way easier.

Not the same guy but it's honestly not the same. A Romanian deadlift is not a deadlift. A Close grip bench press is not a bench press. They are different.

that's a bad analog because sprinting and jogging are the same exercise, but you're training the muscles differently (twitch vs endurance). A better analog is deadlifting sumo vs conventional because they work similar muscle group.

If you had a real pull up bar you'd understand that the bigger range of motion is better.

They both hit the same muscles and stabilizing fascia. Back and Biceps

But the load is split differently depending on the grip. So they accomplish the same purpose with the same essential mechanics, but they're not equivalent exercises for each muscle group.

Army don't care how much you work your various muscles. Army wants you to climb the thing

The exercise is best done alternating grips for different sets, or even mid set

NSW strictly dictates it must be a pull-up, not a chin-up. Hands orientation matters. Yes, you might be pulling up your body, but it is a different exercise.

that's a really retarded goal. Aim for being able to do 12 comfortably in a set then start adding weight.

If you've made it this far in life unable to do 1 then you'll never, no matter how hard you train and work, be able to do even a set of 20

A True American Classic

So why don't you fucking ask the uploader how long it took him?

>pullups completed: 0
that thing he does with his necks is cheating big time.

Chin ups are better. They give you bigger biceps

Yea you'd have to do pull ups hourly for like two years

Here's your (You) dumbass

I've just got to the point where I can do a single chin-up, but once I finish the rep and let go I get a sharp pain for a few seconds behind my right thumb.

What do?

Pretty damn impressive. Though I wouldn't call them strict, he uses momentum.

>gq
discard this thread

Switch up your grip. Grip with fingers instead of palms, or turn your thumb to bend with your fingers around the bar.

based!!

Or use a pull-up assist machine if you go to a gym that has one.

>hanging 7 fucking minutes while doing 76 pull-ups while at it
this is some bruce lee tier shit

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Solid effort but..
>Dead hang

What's you form on pull-ups guys; chest open and pull towards sternum or a more hollow position at the top.
Talking about overhand grip shoulder width or wider pull-ups not chin-ups btw, you should alternate pull-ups/chin-ups and sometimes neutral grip.

There's no vid of anyone doing more than around 40 consecutive pullups. I guess 30+ with perfect form is great

After I started doing this it hits the lats much better, and I advanced really quickly too (currently doing BW+15kgx10);

1. Overgrip the bar, i.e your wrists should be slightly bent forward (middle of the fingers over the bar on the opposite side in stead of hanging from them above you)
2. Aprox. shoulder wide grip, maybe slightly wider.
3. Pull yourself up with the bar above the chin, but not in a straight line; it's more like a semi-circle, or a semi-oval.
4. Go down again and do another rep just before arms are straight (going all the way back to a a dead hang position feels weird on my left shoulder, in addition to that it primes the arms more than the lats for the next rep)

not sure if that answered your question

Several years. after you get past 20 good pull-ups it becomes a matter of muscular endurance and the gains come faster

Sort of. I just mean I've heard mention of different form.
Classical bodybuilding: keep scapula very back and down, keeping chest open, even lean back a little bit, pulling up in straight line.
More hollow position, like Pavel mentions in fighter pull-up program: Body is more vertical and hollow-position at the top instead rather than leaning back so much, pretty much like you described I guess.

I feel more natural doing them like that too, I go back to straight arms though because I feel initiating the pull without bending/involving too much the arms gives good back/lats involvement. My chin-ups are ahead of my pull-ups by about 5-10kg added though, and the full ROM to the top is easier with chins so I'm wondering if my technique is off.

Do this friendo, worked for me.

50pullups.com/

you need to check out tazio biondo or something like that. one handed pull ups with 30min active hang rest

Remember that you are supposed to be bringing the bar to your sternum, not your chin.

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How does he do the shit where he rests his hands while still hanging? That would be so useful in ninja warrior.

what the fuck military are you referring to?

You'd take at least 2 years to get to 70 pull-ups, if even that. Pull-ups are pretty hard to get started with, and progress isn't really fast until you get 10 or so in a single set.
What makes pull-ups difficult at first is that you either need to be under a certain weight, or be strong enough (or just both). You can't get started with pull-ups if you're a fatass because it would take a long time to get strong enough to lift your fat ass up (it's certainly possible), and you can't get started on it while doing weight loss regime because you'll barely see any progress. So... lose some weight first (if you're first), or get stronger (if you're slim). Don't try to do both at once.

Anyway, it took me 2 months just to get to 5 pull-ups (I was 85kg), and I could only do those 5 pull-ups in a single set if it was the first time of the day. Nowadays I can barely do 15 (I don't train every day), but I think I would be able to get at least double that if I really tried.
The harder pull-up is the first. Progress is slow.

I can do 45 chin-ups, but can barely do 15 pull-ups.

Also some trivia: one of the fitness tests for the Brazilian federal police is... 3 pull-ups (can do chin-ups too).

>momentum

70 in a single set is inhuman tier if possible. I`ve been training for 4 years and can barely do 30.

When I was skinny I couldn't do more than 3, now that I'm 20kg heavier I'm slightly stronger and still can only do 3. What the fuck am I spose to do? I can't just do 2 Chin ups, rest and repeat. I'd be in the gym forever

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Behold the power of the russian manlet: youtube.com/watch?v=GECFxAq9CBY&t=571s

Also: pull ups + variations are THE exercise imo. It really is hard to progress but it´s fucking worth it strength and looks- wise. Start with negatives and lat pulldowns

>Chin ups are pull ups.

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Are neutral grip pull ups pull ups?

>everyone saying pull ups are hard
>I've gone from 5 to 12 in a month

Just do 1 set to failure every 3-4 days. You will add a rep every time. If you aren't lifting more every time, you aren't getting stronger.

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Neutral grip is easier than pull ups or chin ups, because it uses all the muscles of both.

Being able to pull yourself up a ledge is a pull-up.
Anything else is accesory lift tier variants.

USMC

First off, that's a chin-up in your picture, and secondly, i've never heard of anyone ding 70 ACTUAL chinups or pullups in a set. Maybe 70 of those kipping bullshits but those are not chinups or pullups.

Smell my biceps brachii, bitch.

youtube.com/watch?v=GECFxAq9CBY

All pullup variations are incredibly similar in muscular activation.
People just overexaggerate their differences.

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Do negatives if you can't do a regular one.
Start from the top position and go down as slowly as you can.
8x3 every other day.

Even Jeff can only do 26 in a row. They're perfect form, though.

If that were even remotely relavent to strength gains, we wouldn't have people who can bang out 20 chin ups and then struggle to do 3 pull ups.

>every other day.

Muscjlyes can't heal that fast unless you roid. We have too many kids trying to do 100 push ups in a set every single day. 2 rest days between an exercise gives the best gains and delays the CNS fatigue that makes you feel like quitting halfway into a set.

>overexaggerate
>over
>exaggerate
brainlet detected

As someone who used to do (I don't find them fun or interesting anymore) +100 chin-ups a day I can tell you that pull-ups are much harder for me than chin-ups. I know it's anecdotal evidence; however, try it yourself. I believe it's about a 5:1 ratio of chin-ups to pull-ups—honest.

based

Chin ups are the easiest form of pull up. Hammer grip is harder. The thing about hammer grip is that it's safer on your joints since your arms are most natural in that angel.

>still looks DYEL

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>it's the most awkward version on your joints so that means it will make you the strongest
Nope

>I'm pretty sure the human limit of pull-ups is around 30, maybe 40 for genetic freaks

>Aim for 20, that's actually attainable and fairly impressive

No freaking way

Are shoulder width pull up still considered pull up?
My shoulders hurt and feel akward when I try to do wide grip pullup.
Anyone overcame this?

Yes. Width doesn't matter. It's all pull ups.

I do narrow grip chin ups if I need to impress somebody with high rep count but it hurts my wrists. I can rep out 20 no problem whereas 10 pullups is my max.

No, you just aren't able to use your lats.

Your graph shows a 10% increase across the board for every muscle except biceps while doing pull ups.

there are no negatives to pullups faggot, it's a god tier training garment that you pull on like big boy underwear.

Anyone here can do one arm pull ups?
If so, how many?

>NSW
The second worst state

You're not getting to 1x70 pullups unless you're doing crossfit kips or some shit, period.

As for how you can work on your strength, do slow negatives and static holds. If you're super obese then obviously losing weight will make bodyweight pullups easier.

Once you're able to do 5-10, start adding weight each time, increasing by 5lbs

How the fuck to you add weight to a pull up?

>that thing he does with his necks is cheating big time.
It's not cheating at all and is accepted under the already-strict military guideline for a pullup.

Stop talking out of your ass. You couldn't even propely articulate how he extended his neck.

>hurr durr that neck thing

Illiterate mouth-breather

Weight belt at a gym. At home just use two shitty belts or whatever can be used as a DIY rope. Hang weights on the belt (I use plates, you can use a bad full of soup cans or whatever the fuck you want) and hang that around your waist.

A belt with a hook or strap

he's right it'll take years, you don't have to do seventy in a row in anyway, you should probably keep your rep to 8-10 get a weighted vest or a weight belt.

No joke. Get some bands and start banded pull ups. You'll get to body weight in time.

>You're not getting to 1x70 pullups unless you're doing crossfit kips or some shit, period.

no

youtube.com/watch?v=GECFxAq9CBY

I am 191 lbs and can do 3x9 dead hang no rest pull ups

have I made it?

t. started training 2 years ago and couldn't do 2 pull ups in a row back then

spetsnaz/SEAL guys can do like 30ish dead hang pullups

70 real pullups is fucking insane

i would wager than almost NO ONE can do 70 pullups in one set. i would be surprised if there was anyone who could in the world.

You attach it to your squat plug.