Convince me not to try the vegan diet

convince me not to try the vegan diet

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Why would you want to?

Go ahead.
I'll take your gains.

please don't try the vegan diet friend

It's more costly, taste worse, and makes eating out on social occasions harder

>illness.jpg

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Meat tastes good

Trujillo is a vegan bodybuilder now? LMFAO

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If it works for you, who the fuck cares?
Just don't get all sanctimonious about it and shove it in people's faces.

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I don’t have to, your results will speak for itself.

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Tbh meat doesn’t even taste that good unless it’s seasoned well, and at that point why not just have a meat substitute seasoned like meat.
Have you ever had plain chicken breast? Plain (very) lean beef? Tastes bland as fuck. Any meat that tastes good by itself (bacon, lunch meats, etc) has been seasoned and flavored to shit in its production

inb4 that one guy who posts 3 youtube videos claiming vegans are dying every time someone mentions vegans

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This. I feel like there’s better ways to max your health gains without having to go vegan. Cut out refined carbs, sugar, processed foods, eat lots of fruit n veggies

Take the greenpill

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Go vegan and die

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Iunno, there’s some truth to this, but I do genuinely feel like there are some flavor/texture combos that meat is subjectively better for. Whether or not this is because I’ve been socialized to like stuff that way is up for debate, but I’m totally into some lean grilled meat every once in a while almost plain

Let us pray for that poor jaundiced fellow.

Lies. Animal fat is delicious. I eat plain chicken with the skin. My beef I usually just put a tiny bit of salt. A steak literally makes my day, that’s how good it tastes. Vegetables are ok but taste like nothing really. My wife calls salads “rabbit food”, veggies usually only taste good covered in butter but it still doesn’t match the taste of meat.

With the right peds you can grow muscle while living on fast food. 4/6 of those guys have cycled if not all of them.

Steak is basically always tasteless imo, but chicken is great.

Vegetables taste like poison and meat tastes like heaven.

>a steak literally makes my day
>vegetables are ok but taste like nothing really
>my wife calls salads ‘rabbit food’
>veggies usually only taste good covered in butter

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I won't. Try it and adhere to it.
Why not
Fuck off, a vegan diet is just as good for gains
Fuck off, veganism is awesome
>More costly
This is the biggest lie you could have said
>Taste worse
Another lie. All spices are vegan.
>Makes eating out harder
Only if you're a picky eater, like a spoiled brat
"Hi waiter, that are the vegan options available"
"X, Y, Z"
"I'll have Y and a beer, thanks"
Wow that was hard
Cherrypicking, also post body
Plants taste good
If it works for you (because why wouldn't it), why wouldn't you care about living the more ethical lifestyle?
>Shove views face
Every time same shitty wording for the same non argument
>Veganism fucks the earth
Orders of magnitude less than animal agriculture does
>Meat is good for you
Plants are good for you and don't cause heart disease
>Hippies
Couldn't be further from the truth
>Implying veganism leads to no gains
Why do you lie on the internet?
Cope harder
>The only problem I see with veganism is that on the surface level it seems to have all these benefits by cutting out foods with health risks, but then if you look at the “bad” foods individually they aren’t actually bad.
The problem with your post is that you both strawman veganism and lie to defeat the strawman
>Vegan diet is good for you, but oh dairy is okay, so include dairy.
Dairy has igf-1 which causes cancer. Cheese and butter contain saturated fat and cholesterol. Those raise serum cholesterol. Serum cholesterol is the single biggest predictor of heart disease.
>But oh also eggs are okay so eat eggs.
See cheese and butter. Unhealthy fats, heart disease.
>Also non-red meat is okay too so you can eat that.
I'll partly concede that, non red meat is unhealthy too because of bad fats but not THAT bad if you eat lean
>Continued

>Continued
So that's it for the lies you said, now we go to the strawman part
Veganism is the "radical hippie" idea that consumption of unnecessary animal products is unethical, because consumption of animal products inherently causes harm to sentient beings*.
If it's unnecessary**, why do it?
*: If you think animals are not sentient, you are retarded. If you think plants are sentient, you are retarded. Even if plants are sentient (which they aren't), due to the way trophic levels work, eating plants causes less harm to sentient beings compared to feeding 2-20x the amount of plants to animals and then eating the animals
**: There is no essential amino acid, essential fatty acid, vitamin or mineral that is hard or expensive to get on a vegan diet. Don't believe me? Google vegan source of (whatever)
Ecks, dee.
Good, and I assume omni children never die, right?
This is a way to increase your health, but not max it, and you're still ignoring ethics and environment
That's true and any vegan who disagrees is dishonest.
However, are your taste buds more important than someone's life?
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>Animal fat is delicious.
Noone said it didn't
>I eat plain chicken with the skin.
Terrible for your health, might as well smoke
>A steak literally makes my day, that’s how good it tastes.
Cringe
>Vegetables are ok but taste like nothing really.
That's a huge lie
>My wife calls
>Taking your wife's opinion seriously
Fuck
>salads “rabbit food”
Been vegan 1 year and I think I had salad about 10-20 times. You know there's other vegan, macro friendly, healthy vegan foods, right?
>veggies usually only taste good covered in butter
Absolutely not, what the fuck
Are you American or French
>doesn’t match the taste of meat.
It's not supposed to
Irrelevant. It is the position of the ADA that vegan diets kick ass even if you lift.
Cringe

Assblasted grassmuncher detected

>shoot up massive quantities of roids in your ass
>claim vegan
>appeal to a niche
>?????
>profit

Do you have proof that vegan diets are worse for gains unless steroids are used?

>by sticking these needles in my ass im saving the planet

what an insufferable bunch of pricks

Eat mushrooms, lentils, tofu, amaranth, and snack on hemp seeds and pumpkin seeds and you will still make gains.

>eat meat and plants your whole life
>work out and get buff
>switch to veganism 10 years after starting to appeal to retards
>look at this vegans body if he can do it so can you!

Very well, I shall attempt to do so by employing what is known as 'reverse psychology':

OP, you should definitely try the vegan diet!

Sure, will a guy who never juiced suffice.
Feel free a post one natty vegan who started vegan before even touching a weight room

Pro tip: no such thing

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Do it bro, Been vegan for 3 years, train BJJ 4 times a week, have so much more strength, stamina and endurance than the meatcucks I roll with and have put on a bunch of muscle without even touching any weights.

I don't give a shit about what people eat dude lol. I'm just saying that OP's pics are a result of roiding to the gills and have nothing to do with their diet.

Abel Trujillo is a woman beating piece of human trash. I know this because I follow MMA religiously. Seeing him get the shit beaten out of him makes me happy.

jesus fuck, all this info on health is so wrong. too bad it'll probably take mainstream media another 10 years before carnivore diets are recognized as a cure for many modern diseases.

Prove me wrong, beef industry shill

Why don't you try only meat diet?

>carnivore
Cringe. You're omnivore at best.

>Terrible for your health, might as well smoke
see, this is why NOBODY takes vegans seriously.
Meat ~1.2 association to cancer
Smoking ~20-25 association to cancer
>(You) They're pretty much just as bad :d

I responded to chicken skin, not to chicken meat. Dishonest, as all meatcucks are.

>all this autismposting
>doesnt even include a pic of his body to back up claims
Pottery

wtf is wrong with chicken skin, that's not "wrong" with chicken meat?
Wait, let me guess. It's fat, so it's bad.

you sound fat

Trans fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. Are you among the flat earthers who claim they don't cause heart disease?0

Not to mention all the toxins, diseases, antibiotics, bird crap and all the other shit that accumulates on chicken skin

It appears that steroids can even overcome eating starvation foods.

look at them, they lack the size a 'normal' bodybuilder would have by that much time invested

lmao okay dude. Keep lowering your cholesterol instead of lowering inflammation, I'm sure you'll have no heart disease.

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diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/63/7/2356
> In conclusion, overeating SFAs promotes hepatic and visceral fat storage, whereas excess energy from PUFAs may instead promote lean tissue in healthy humans.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171113095430.htm
>The study found that a low serum linoleic acid level was associated with higher serum CRP levels. When the study participants were divided into four groups based on their serum linoleic acid levels, the probability for an elevated CRP was 53% lower in the highest quarter compared to the lowest one. Other serum omega-6 fatty acids, such as arachidonic acid, gamma-linolenic acid or dihomo-y-linolenic acid, were not associated with CRP levels.
>This research supports earlier findings. Clinical trials have shown that even a very high intake of linoleic acid does not increase inflammatory responses, nor has a significant impact on arachidonic acid levels. In the human body, linoleic acid is converted into various compounds that alleviate inflammation. It is worth noting that arachidonic acid, too, is converted into inflammation-alleviating compounds, and not just into inflammation-promoting ones.
academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/95/5/1003/4576714?ijkey=fb485ce850cb0866caac40de987de50c505af5a4&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
> Compared with SFA intake, n-6 PUFAs reduce liver fat and modestly improve metabolic status, without weight loss. A high n-6 PUFA intake does not cause any signs of inflammation or oxidative stress.
physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/ajpgi.00488.2011
> In conclusion, our data indicate that saturated fat (HF-PO) has a more stimulatory effect on weight gain and hepatic lipid accumulation than unsaturated fat (HF-OO and HF-SO).

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Vitamin D
Omega 3
Vitamin B12
Vitamin A
Zinc
etc...

>MUH INFLAMMATION
Dietary cholesterol and saturated fat increase serum cholesterol levels, and also make your LDL more easily oxidized.
Saturated fats just like trans fats are the most inflammatory fats for the human body, there is literally 0 benefit in their consumption.

Thirty-nine young and normal-weight individuals were overfed muffins high in SFAs (palm oil).
This is literally done with fucking palm oil muffins.
You think this proves anything?

Im surprised the videoposter hasn't showed up in this thread yet

dietary cholesterol barely moves the needle on serum cholesterol

Post proof or fuck off
>Inb4 you post "proof" from test subjects with a shit baseline

Yhat's one study, lmao, look at all the others referenced in the very same study that follow the same conclusions, saturated fats are inferior for human and most mammals' metabolic health.
Furthermore palm oil is mostly saturated fat, are you gonna ignore this becuase of your retarded pro saturated fat bias?
The LESS saturated oil did BETTER than the more saturated oil in HUMANS.
You have to be in major denial to ignore the findings.
This is seen consistently on all kinds of mammals, like rodents and cows and humans.
>t-this d-doesn't prove anything
Check the second study dumbass, it literally puts obese people on either butter or vegetable oil, the people in the butter group did worse than the people on safflower oil in metabolic status and inflammation markers.
Keep the cope coming.

>the veganism is why he looks like a servant of Sauron!

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I'm pretty sure the sv3rige shill is just a vegan trolling

retard that doesn't understand cholesterol metabolism
furthermore the evidence that dietary cholesterol makes your blood cholesterol more easily oxidized is overwhelming, cholesterol and saturated fat apologist retards literally cannot find anything that shows that their retarded diets are healthy or optimal from any angle, not from the "le cholesterol doesn't increase cholesterol" angle, not from the "oxidative stress" angle either, and specially not from the inflammation one.
Just admit that you like eating shit food lmao, the cope is pathetic.

>Check the second study dumbass, it literally puts obese people on either butter or vegetable oil, the people in the butter group did worse than the people on safflower oil in metabolic status and inflammation markers.
okay then, let's read the 2nd story.
>linoleic acid isn't bad
ok and how does this change anything?

Yeah and the much lower in saturated fat muffin group did severely better, what's your point here? that isolating the saturated fat from cholesterol found in most SFA heavy foods is a bad practise in the study methodology?
Do you understand the importance of isolating variables in order to actually look at the effects of the compounds in question?
Butter has cholesterol and as such using a food with cholesterol and heavy saturated fat content wouldn't really be a good comparison to a 0 cholesterol containing poly unsaturated fat heavy oil, since the purpose of the study was to see if there was any difference in body composition of metabolic status in humans from the overfeeding of said fats.

Oh wait I meant the third one.
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inflammation markers are the best in the vegetable oil group, in obese humans.

openheart.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000032.full

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2166702/

>Study says sugar and hfcs is bad
Yes they are, how is that an argument against "saturated fat and cholesterol is bad, eat whole plants like vegetables grains and legumes"?

Veganism is awesome bro. We need to convince all leftists to go vegan, not just some. How can I help bring more leftists, antifa and liberals to veganism??

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That's not even a study dumbass, literally took me 3 secs to google that guy's name, oh no no no guess what, he sells keto diet fad books lmao.
Fucking lmaoing at you rn, instead of actually posting dietary interventions you give me a fucking commentary from a keto book selling shill cherrypicking studies.
Is this the best cholesterol denialists and saturated fat apologists have to offer?

That's an ancient article from 1965 that looked at experiements vegetable oil that included large ammounts of trans fats in it.
All vegetable oils during that period had trans fats added in during processing in order to make them more stable.
What's the problem in this? The fact that vegetable oils don't have trans fats in the modern day due to new 0 allowance policy in manufacturing and processing regulations.
Guess which foods have trans fats naturally.
Butter and meat.
Let the cope flow.

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Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life. The only way to avoid that is to draw arbitrary lines based on imaginary concepts like "souls"

This is clearly bait, but there are definitely personal and societal advantages to eating less meat, if not forgoing it entirely. Eating /less/ meat lets you save a lot of cash and forces you to explore new foods that you otherwise wouldn't have known you liked, and if you want to take it a step further you can grow staple veggies like tomatoes, onions and potatoes to save even more. Red meat in particular takes a lot of time, space and energy to produce, even in comparison to other sources of meat.
That's not to say that you should cut out meat entirely, but it should be something that is enjoyed and not just eaten as routine or out of obligation. Meat should be cooked properly and enjoyed out of respect for the animal.
Eating animal products like eggs and milk is a case-by-case judgement sort of deal for me, but I don't see any good reasons to cut them out. Most byproducts are pretty energy-efficient and generally good for you, although I personally prefer to get higher-quality milk and eggs (easy to afford if you don't have ground beef in every meal) for the taste and to support my local economy if possible.
I'm not a health expert, but I do think that practicing moderation and understanding the source of your food is important. You can eat cheap, healthy, and ethically by putting a little bit more effort into meal preparation and still leave room for fun. Sorry for the blogpost.

The amish have no cardiovascular problems or weight problems and all they eat is full fat meat wheat and veg.

All countries with obesity diabetes heart attack problems and raising cancer problems have one thing in common.
Vegetable oils and synthetic sugars.

>Don't shove it in people's faces
Carnists shove their diet in my face all day; every day. I'll stop when you stop.

do you have autism?

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You went to all this effort to write this post, and I’m not going to read it.

Vegans are faggots.

What were former doctor Shawn Baker's test levels in his most recent blood test again?

You won't stop until the grave vegan activist, but you will slow down and lose the passion when your teeth fall out lol

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And zero carnists on this earth give a single fuck what you eat.

That's like saying saturated fat is bad for you because the longest living population in the world are vegetarian and vegan 7th day adventists who eat virtually no saturated fat(pescatarian adventists actually seem to live slighty longer than vegan adventists by a little, but they consume nearly the same ammount of saturated fat, pescatarians live longer than vegans, and vegans live longer than lacto-ovo vegetarians, and lacto-ovo vegetarians live longer than the semi vegetarian adventists).
They also live longer than the amish despite having a similar lifestyle.
You also have no idea how much actual saturated fat the amish actually eat in their healthiest groups.

But we do know about the health impact of a saturated heavy diet, we just have to look at actual dietary interventions and not meme shit commentary from retard keto shills.
>All countries with obesity diabetes heart attack problems and raising cancer problems have one thing in common.
Yeah, caloric excess and lack of physical activity.
Traditional italians seemed to be doing well until they started adding in shitty untraditional food, their traditional cuisine used to include a lot of sunflower and olive oils, now they are using more butter than ever before.

Thanks for the incredibly reliable and scientific graph.

Literally all of these are unweaned children. Are you retarded because your mom tried to feed you applesauce at 12 months, or did you have to cultivate idiocy?

Dude crashed his test into the ground so that no one would see that he was on fucking gear.

Even then, he's on less gear then the guys in the OP's pic.

Red and basepilled

user, if the adventists are who they are using to justify their lifestyle then they're pretty damned fucked.
The adventists have been proven to be willing to lie and misconstrue the truth when it comes to not only their diet, but the longevity of the people in their group.
All of those studies they keep bringing up are based on self reported numbers from the people in their groups.
No impartial scientists were able to take any measurements of any kind.

The butter was never the problem however, the vegetable oils, synthetic sugars and eating equal amounts of fats and sugars are the problem.

Vegans have all the 'science' on their side, then their teeth fall out, what's up with that??

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And Emily the bite size vegan and Freelee have stopped posting videos YouTube. What's up with that? Have their horrible appearance meant they have to stop doing vegan activism so as not to harm the movement??

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The milk of vegan mothers lacks essential nutrients that babies need.
It's been noted that some breast children of vegan mothers have various anemias, take longer to develop and even die.

There's a reason why normally heavily vegetarian pregnant indian and chinese women would eat more meat and animal products during their pregnancy and when breast feeding.

>Meat should be cooked properly and enjoyed out of respect for the animal.

>I respect you
>So I'll brutally kill you against your will at a fifth of your lifespan or less, even though I don't need to, just because I enjoy the taste of your seared flesh

>Because I respect you
Christ

>t-the adventists a-are lying about their d-diet
cope
>proven to lie
Cope and wrong and retarded, literally 0 evidence to your claims
Most adventists admit not being vegetarian, why would they lie about it?
I guess you could use the same line of reasoning on every single other population when it comes to their diet.
>all those studies they keep brining up
only a few were done on the adventists in america concerning their diet
>No impartial scientists were able to take any measurements of any kind.
Do you know how populational studies work? Are you seriously suggesting in order for populational studies to be valid they need to analyze the diet of every single person every day for years straight?
Do you understand now why this is simply dumb and irrelevant?
>The butter was never the problem however
How would you know? We have literal mechanistic data that shows that saturated fats are inferior for the metabolic status and body composition of a lot of different mammals, including humans.
We have specific adaptation to poly unsaturated fat intake(omega 3 and omega 6 both) in the upregulation of brown fat activity and body temperature regulation.
We get less fat on unsaturated fats, we get less insulin resistant on unsaturated fats, and we also get less inflammation and oxidative stress on unsaturated fats regardless if we're overweight or not.
There is 0 dietary requirement for saturated fat, there is a dietary requirement of unsaturated fats.
Why are you defending a nutrient that has actual 0 benefit in the health of humans?

>But the researchers did not rule out the possibility that the vegetarians’ decisions to adopt their diet could have been a symptom of depression from the start.
Literally just ignored the fact that people with eating disorders, cancer, and depression all flock to veganism. They even suspected B12 deficiency was the cause, which would be hilarious if they were actually memeing