Former robot here- AMA

I want to help. I was diagnosed as schizoid and dysthymic when I was 14. I believed all women were whores, I hated Christians, I thought my intelligence made me better than other people, I hated people, be really I wanted to be loved but was afraid of being hurt. I was a cutter and tried to kill myself a few times, once resulting in a coma and another 72 stitches an the mental hospital.

I have completely changed my life. I recently broke up with a girl I was in love with whom I'd been with for almost 6 years. When I was younger, I couldn't comprehend breaking up with a girl. I'd have been so happy to have someone that I would have clung to her like a life preserver.

I really do love and care about you guys. I come here ever so often and try to help. I've got one guy I met here who is kissless virgin who I am emailing with and offered to get him laid if he makes the 8 hour drive. I'm willing to help any of you. Feel free to ask me anything, and I will tell you explicitly how I changed, no empty platitudes like, "Just be yourself bro."

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Fuck off lmao, thinking the crack fiends down the street are the same as I am

I don't need your help, But I'm glad to see you're getting along OK!

knew you had it in ya.

Could have just put it in the OP

but fine

How did you change?

How do I start a conversation with a girl I don't know?

What if she has friends around, should I just go up to her and ignore them or should I go for only lone girls?

Let's say all goes well... how do I kiss her, what do I do with my lips and tounge?

Well, it's complicated. I was more looking for specific questions to give specific answers, because I'm afraid of saying it in broad terms because I don't want to drive people away...

It all started off as a kind of joke, a New Year's resolution. I had always been negative I mind and cynical. So every time I saw something that I wanted to hate on, instead, I would say something positive about it instead. If I couldn't think of anything, like for example when I was out with my only two friends whom I hadn't seen in a long time and we couldn't hear each other because a bunch of other people in BW3 were watching the local sports team and screaming, I would just say, "I love that, I think it's great."

From there, I came across a Ted talk about power poses and "fake it until you become it." Aroun that time, I read a book on transactional analysis therapy. What it taught was introspection and taking an honest look at yourself, tracing your negative emotions down to their root, what they call in a different book, "getting down to causes and conditions," seeing the role you played in things, forging yourself and forgiving others.

The old lady who gave that book, "I'm ok, you're ok," recommended me a different book too. Just as an aside, this old lady had severe brain damage and almost the mind of a child, but she helped save my life. The second book was, "Creative Visualization," which taught me about a positive mental attitude, a type of meditation where I would visualize my day positively and then reflect on it before sleep.

Note that I had began drinking pretty heavily as a teenager. It was basically the only thing that allowed me to function normally around other people. But I'd had periods of abstinence too, but it was clear I had a problem. Regardless, alcohol and drugs kept me alive and taught me a lot, but eventually consumed me.

Anyway, I did that for a year, staying positive. It was weird. The sarcastic way I would say,"I love that, it's great" eventually melted away to me actually seeing the good in things. But then me and another friend who is even more antisocial than me made DMT, and I 2012 I took muhrooms and smoked DMT right when they were taking effect, and thanks to the work I'd done, I was able to have a vital spiritual experience.

But that was just the beginning, and it isn't necessary for everyone to do that. The important thing is looking at yourself, forgiving yourself, forgiving others, being willing to change, and putting it into action. I have a routine everyday that keeps my life beautiful.

You need to start talking to girls. Just any girl. Start with ugly ones you have no interest in. Start by simply saying hello on the street, or paying them a compliment and then walking away or whatever. Just be casual.

To start a conversation with a girl, try to find some commonality to talk about. Talk about when you are, the band on her shirt, her shoes, anything you can both relate to. It's important to be discerning and to have good timing as well. Try to pay attention to girls who may be attracted to you. For example, if you are having a conversation with someone else and you notice a girl listening, bring her in to the conversation.

Always remember to smile. This is super important. As for timing, don't be rude, don't but I a girl's conversation unless you genuinely have something to contribute, and if you do, say excuse me and ask permission to speak. Pay attention. Try to figure out how she feels, what her vibe is. Just be casual. Don't have expectations.

Kissing will come naturally. But honestly, if all you're thinking about is sex, you may not do well. Think of girls as human beings just like you, only they aren't very good at logic, but they have great social skills.

Breath in, breath out
Eat when you are hungry
Piss when you have to piss, shit when you have to shit
When you are tired, rest
When you are sleepy, sleep

It's actually really simple, just not easy.

You'll get a bunch of "you were never a robot" whiners.

>Think of girls as human beings just like you
I do, but I'm just generally shy so I have trouble talking with strangers.

Thanks for the advice, I'll try to meet some people that way. Also, how okay is it to go out alone and try meeting people and what kind of social gatherings would you reccomend for going to alone?

>I've got one guy I met here who is kissless virgin who I am emailing with and offered to get him laid if he makes the 8 hour drive
You whoring out your sister to him or something?

How did you stop being bitter towards women? Thinking how much easier they have it, all the experiences (both sexual and life in general) they've had, it all makes me so jealous.

Going out alone is fine. I recommend searching for a community of positive people who have something you want. Don't be afraid to ask for help. None of us can do this on our own. The library has all kinds of cool groups. Stay humble, be willing to learn from others, be honest with yourself.

Any spiritual based group would be a great place to start, because there's going to be tons of helpful people there with practical life advice. From there you can venture of to more nich communities once you get your confidence built up.

m8, i couldn't care less
kys

You must realize that you're only bitter towards yourself, and you must have compassion for women. It comes easy to me because I'm an INFP, but I still had to work for it. Women do not have it easy. They are easily manipulated, and very smart socially, so they know how to make themselves appear like everything is great.

But think about it man, it's hard being a girl. It's almost impossible for them to make friends, because women are petty, jealous and backstabbing, and guys just want to fuck them. It puts the in a really awkward position .

In addition, put yourself in their shoes. Imagine a bunch of weird girls who don't shave and smell funny and have terrible personalities all wanted to have sex with you all of thd time. Imagine you could just fuck whenever you wanted, but that you could also get pregnant. Now, aside from the ugly girls, there are attractive ones who flirt with you too. You are in constant competition with others about having a good partner, you have to look good everyday, your moody, hormonal, bad at math, can't into logic, and everyone has all of these crazy expectations of you. You'd have to learn to reject sexual advances. It's not personal.

A good woman is out there right now, waiting for you to come and mold her. Women have an intuitive deeper understanding of relationships. They know that common interests are just decorations, that what's important is values and personality. You are lucky enough to be a man. Act like one. Make yourself someone your dream girl would want to be with. Realize your part in all of this. Most guys want to fuck a porn star, but then get mad when girls act like one, or when they get rejected by a beautiful woman they get angry, even though they have no intention of pursuing fat or ugly, poor girls. It goes both ways.

And remember, it's sexual attraction, not sexual promotion. You have to either improve yourself, kr accept what comes, or both.

I used to, but she's dead. I was just going to put him in touch with this 20 year old whore.

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i'm an infp and i vehemently hate women. they stand against everything Fe stands for.

Not all women are the same, you're generalizing. And women definitely feel emotions, most stronger than most men. They are just way better at managing them and expressing how they feel.

Hate comes from anger, and anger comes from fear. What are you afraid of? Rejection?

>fake it until you become it
Ah, so you were a normie all along.

infps believe in fairness, women do not care one bit about fairness.

Why does this happen every time someone offers you people help?

it's true, only normies can fake it til they make it because there was nothing wrong with them in the first place. the fact that he was a cutter supports this too i think but that's just prejudice.

Faking it till you make it implies you have no self awareness, I trait all normies share.

I don't know what that means

You can't honestly say that because it's not true. Many women do not play by the same self imposed rules as men, their cleverness is in social things while men are clever will objects and concepts. You have to understand this. Women are emotional creatures, so their sense of fairness isn't like ours. It's about feeling good.

But there are plenty of women who fight for justice, save lives, donate to others and help people, and plenty of time men who are superficial assholes that are bitter that the top 5% of attractive women won't fuck him.

Women are just people man, they aren't that different. They are just more social, but also easier to manipulate, in aggregate anyway.

>nothing special blogpost here
>oh but let's make it an ama so you guys will give me attention

there's nothing interesting about you at all. Write about yourself if you want, but don't ask us to participate by making this an AMA

20 post and no one asked op to post proof.

>their cleverness is in social things while men are clever will objects and concepts
that's not true that's just the kind of we're all working together sexism that you need to believe to make it all mesh. emotions are not a skill that women are better at, that idea is abhorrent on so many levels. they are people but they are bad people, people who use others for their own gain and don't appreciate anything. why, idk but i'm calling it like i see it.

I have far above average self awareness. The fact is, you all have inflated egos. You need to humble yourselves. You think that you are so unique and different, but in reality you're just overwhelmed by 100 forms of fear, and it's paralyzing you.

You constantly make excuses, and you choose to be miserable. I know because I did the same thing. You must face your fears and accept that pain means an opportunity to grow. You have to get out there and do the work. Not tomorrow, today. Right now, start acting like the person you want to be.

But to do that, you need to take an honest look at yourself. Look at the people who have harmed you, and find your part in it. Then forgive them and yourself. That's a place to start.

>I have far above average self awareness. The fact is, you all have inflated egos
wait is this bait

dude it's not thinking we are uniquely fucked, if there were as clear a way to success as faking it til we made it nobody would unsuccessful.

>I recently broke up with a girl I was in love with whom I'd been with for almost 6 years.
You don't qualify and you know you don't don't.

Man, you have got to change your perception. Men do that too. And women are more emotional by nature, hormones, and they are also more verbal and better communicators, which is why they can deal with emotions better.

Again, why are you afraid of women?

How can you just "fake it"?
Ever time I tried being someone I'm not, I felt like a fucking idiot and found it tiresome, as if I was playing a character. To completely submerge yourself into being something you're not...that's not for me.

I don't have an inflated ego. I'm just the type of person who's not compatible with other people. I don't really care about other people. I'm actually schizoid and I'm okay with that. To change myself to something I don't like being, yeah normalshit right there.

> I became good looking
> life turned around
Wow. Just wow

I gave you all the answer, but you won't listen. Make a list of people who have harmed you. Ma!e a list of people you have harmed. Look for your part in all of it. Forgive them and forgive yourself.

When you do this, you will get down to what your fears are, and then you can face them. You will discover whether you actually don't want to do something, or if your just afraid. And if it's fear holding you back, you just fake it dude. Just do the work. If you smile, even when you aren't happy, it will trick your brain. If you stop thinking negatively and stop speaking negatively, it will literally reprogram your brain.

But you don't want to, you choose to ne unhappy. It's your ego. You need to really get honest with yourself. You are so concerned with yourself and what your body wants, you don't even see other people as humans. It's really sick.

okay mr above average awareness, you haven't figured out the answer to life, and if you have by god man spread it somewhere else it will reach us eventually. "fake it til you make it" is just a normie platitude for those who had it all along. we aren't all just held back by retarded 14 year old anger like you, btw were you even >tfw no gf?, how come the nice guys have all failed, did they forget to forgive someone?

nigger boi, 9/10 ''nice guys'' are just horny faggots why think just being nice to a girl is going to get you laid. Fuck up cunt.

You're just projecting.
No ones harmed me. I don't need to forgive anyone or myself. I simply just don't care. Call it apathy if you will, I don't know how to define it anymore.

meme. 9/10 nice guys are nice normal guys who women reject because they don't appeal physically.
>inb4 it's because they only go for 10/10s

this is male sexism everybody.

This

I said fake it until you become it, and it's not a platitudes, it's about overcoming fear and being your true self. You have to identify who you really are and what you really want and then fake being that if you have to.

>Just stop being depressed bro!
God you're a huge faggot. If you can simply just "trick" or reprogram you're brain, no one would be sad or fucked up.

That's not true, you need to take a hard look at yourself.

changing the words doesn't make it not a platitude you're still expressing the same idea. if being our true selves or a way to being our true selves was a viable answer then people wouldn't be failing in the first place. i see you agreed with the male sexism as well, probably because the lynch pin of everything you believe is that men are inherently bad people and women are all victims. fuck off normie trash please.

And if you never become it then what?
You make it seem like it's an rpg where after a certain amount of experience, you just level up and change classes.

>inb4 you have tried hard or long enough

Most likely you're just a depressed cunt who has personal problems that keep you from succeeding and feed into that depression. I know because I do it. I have everything, a loving family, a stable household, and and college classes in a subject I liked. Yet I fucked it up because I couldn't find the motivation to actually put in the work required of me. Do you know that feeling, of looking at yourself in the mirror and thinking to yourself ''I'm going to regret this so much later in life'' yet still not doing anything about it because you can't find the energy to do the stuff you know you should be doing? It feeds itself man, it's a cycle. Actually no, more like a spiral.

Again, you're just projecting. Not everyone went through and edgy emo phase like you.

Nope
I'm just a nihilistic cunt drowned in apathy. I work a job to sustain myself and to pay for things to entertain myself. Why would I wallow in regret or future regret? I made the decisions knowingly and willingly.

If you are really depressed and you don't want to be, ask for help, go to therapy and do what they suggest. Start right now.

I don't believe anyone is a victim. That is why I keep stressing forgiveness and getting down to causes and conditions. YOU have to be willing to change. You have to do the work. You aren't always going to want to do it, but you have to force yourself. You have to act like someone who is getting better, right now.

Focus on today. What do you want oit of life?

m8 you are literally the first page of every self help book right now

Everyone has been hurt and has hurt others.

What's your point? That I'm right?

that you're wrong, that you're pedantic and unoriginal entirely, that your low cognitive level advice has failed for others before you even conceived it.

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Man, you're right. This is grueling. I helped some people in a different thread though, so that's good.

It's really amazing to watch these people be willing to fight to the death to defend their misery. If they worked half as hard on finding their purpose in life, they'd all be free and happy.

>fight to the death for their misery
it's ironic that the guy coming in here talking about our egos refuses to recognize arguments because he believes he can't possibly be wrong.

It's just that you're more of a shitty arrogant life coach than anything else.

>nice guys have all failed
More incel cult lies. You are not nice, neither are the angry raging incels who wish death on everyone around them.

>AMA
Fucking kill yourself you retarded faggot

there are literally men who have job+car+home who are as kind as anyone should have to be who can't get a single girl to date them while uglier girls who are absolute bitches who do nothing but leech have no problems in life.

Nope, not me. Unscathed.
That's probably why a bad thing though.

You are literally lying. Show us just one man who has a job+car+home and extremely kind and can't get any girls to date him.

But I am nice. People do like me. They just don't want to date me lol

incels.me is full of them. show me one ugly girl who you can't cat fish hundred guys in under an hour with.

Alcoholics Anonymous states, "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest."

The point is, pick a path, find a community of people who have something you want, find a path that you have seen work for others like you, and follow it. I tried to share a little of what it used to be like, what happened to me, and what it's like now, but all you all can do is look for the differences. Look at the similarities instead.

Will you please just leave?

and i didn't say extremely kind, why should he have to be any more than regular kind, what are these obscene standards in men?

also fr, nobody starts out as an angry raging incel wishing death on people. you guys just make endless assumptions about suffering men being bad people because that makes the world right now look like a just place.

I wish i could get past my self-doubt and aimlessness.

>Have no problems I life

If you guys hate women so much, and honestly don't believe they are human, then why do you make them the center of your universe on which all of your happiness depends?

>alcoholics anonymous says they can't fail, and if they do it's the alcoholics fault
>obviously that means i'm right too and to argue with me means it's your fault
interesting logic mr ego death

for me it's more about how they're like an upper class that doesn't care about the lower ones. i'm the infp from earlier, and as i stated it's about the gross unfairness of it all. even if there were biological reasons we should be working to be a sexually equal society, for men too. or are we supposed to halt all that sexual freedom jazz as soon as it leaves the topic of enabling women and broaches rewarding men. i don't think they aren't human at all for me it's much more akin to fight between the rich and the poor.

approaches** orginatalie

How does the blue pill taste?

No seriously. I've been blackpilled on life for so long I don't think I could actually find happiness even if I had the opportunity to. I would give anything to go back to that carefree mindset of "someday i'll find someone who loves me unconditionally as long as I work hard and focus on self improvement"

Ur still a fag tho

Nearly everyone on incels.me is a NEET. And every single incel there is, without exception, an angry narcissistic asshole. There is not a single incel there who is even remotely nice.

See, here is someone I can help.

Find something and do it. Find someone who has something you want, and I don't mean materially, I mean the way they !I've their life, and follow them. Join a community that supports you.

This is where, "fake it until you become it" really works. We all have self doubt, user. But when you take a deeper look at yourself, you'll discover that those doubts and fears are actually good things. They are like little red lights that alert you when something needs to change. I'll tell you what has worked for me. When I get the feeling that I'm too nervous to do something, I know that it's exactly what I need to do. If I'm in a group and someone says something I relate to and I feel like I need to to share something, I get afraid, but that just tells me I need to to do it. And it gets easier.

You have to pick a direction and go, and things will work out. Stay I the moment. Don't dwell on the past and don't fear the future. You can do it.

>we all started as angry misogynists and that's why we became incels

>nobody starts out as an angry raging incel wishing death on people
They all choose to become that way. They do not deserve any sympathy.

>They do not deserve any sympathy
sure they do.

Why should you have sympathy for someone who has never met you but still hates you and wants you to die because he is not given things for free that you had to work hard for?

Fucks a girl for 6 years and thinks he is a robot. Cant even kill himself right and comes here to give advice.

Finish the job and kys

well ignoring the last bits that are normie propaganda, you should have sympathy for someone who hates you because of the causes.

What are you arguing? Ask me a specific question and I'll give you a specific answer to the best of my ability. I can only speak from my own experience. But I've seen people get better man, I've seen it work and change people's lives. I'm just telling you what worked for me and offering some suggestions. I'm not trying to argue with you, I apologise if it came off that way, I got a little swept up.

I wish I could introduce you to some of the women I know. I'd suggest you get offline and go somewhere that good people congregate.

But I'm not an alcoholic dude

i'm arguing this you're just not helpful

where do good people congregate, it's apparently not obvious.

Dude, I'm 35. I didn't get her until I was 29.

It doesn't matter. you can replace the word "alcohol" with whatever your issue is. It only says alcohol once I the 12 steps. They are designed as a spiritual path to induce a psychic change and we're developed in part by Carl Jung.

But I was just using that as an example. Wherever you live, find a group of people like you who are improving their lives. Ask for help. Take suggestions from people you see living the way you want to live. Participate. Find a path and follow it, stick to it no matter what. That's what has worked for me.

Dude. I was a staunch atheist, now I get on my knees amd pray at least three times a day. I don't even like on Jow Forums. And life is good man. I don't care about the why's and wherefores, I just know it works.

Umm... Support groups, AA/NA, church, temples, any kind of spiritual community, like when places that offer yoga have a get together... Hell, yoga or Tai chi class would be a great place. I know a girl named Crystal who is a nurse and she loves yoga. She's liberal, and a little thick, and also pretty dumb, but she is an amazing fucking person man. She cares so much about people, she'd give you the shirt off her back. Does that help?

Can you at least give a better summary of your life?

>short hair
>tattoo
>looks post wall
Sounds like a great deal

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>Loyal
>Loving
>Generous
>Compassionate
>Funny
>Great taste in music

This is why you're an incel

How did did your sister die

Because it makes it easier for them to convince themselves that the advice is "no good," so they don't have to put any effort into anything
But you knew that.

Overdose. She vomited in my mouth as I tried to save her.

>vomited in my mouth
nice larp

I was giving her mouth to mouth dickhead. Fuck off.

>whoring your sister out
>but i'm the dickhead
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faking it till you make it implies their is no biological hurdle in the form of physical disfigurement or inadequacy and all that needs to be done to achieve acceptance or success is a change in attitude.


if you're a 5'3 male no amount of "faking it" will make you as desirable as a 6'0+ male.