If killing someone in a video game doesn't make me a murderer, then how come masturbating to lolis makes me a pedophile?

You're stupid then, it's not a valid comparison, and anyone with half a brain cell can see that.

If you attribute moral standing to NPCs and perceive them as being equal to actual human beings, but you still kill them and enjoy it, you're psychotic. But if you don't, It really doesn't make you anything.

How is it not a valid comparison? Both are forms of media that have received similar ridicule. "Killing people in video games makes you a murderer" and "Masturbating to lolis makes you a pedophile". That is the basis on which I make my argument

that's not what psychotic means.

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Semantics? Really? you know what I mean anyways.

What if you don't attribute a moral standing to the lolis?

It means you are a gynandromorphophile.

I am helping improve your vocabulary.

Provide me with a word for what I described then.

>Provide me with a word for what I described then.
psychopathic

This is dumb as fuck. Murder is an act that applies to a real person. Video game people aren't real so you aren't a murderer or a psychopath. It's pretend.

Now a loli isn't a real child, but it still makes you a pedo because it's nothing to do with reality, just your feelings as a person.

>its different because I don't like one!
Its always fun to see so many normalfags freak out about pedophilia.

It means you're just attracted to the form and body of a child, you're still a pedo bud.

Ok but why is it okay to feel perfectly fine murdering fake people but its not acceptable to jack off to fake lolis?

Firstly not all lolicons are pedophiles. Secondly comparing one form of digital media thats purpose is different then anothers is not a smart way to go about explaining or expounding on a complex point.

The general consensus is that you have an understanding that when killing someone in a video game that it is not real. It is a simulation even by name, and is not considered a representation of yourself or your real life actions.

The difference with lolicon pornography is that its intended purpose is to simulate a minor in a sexual situation. It is also fictitious but the general consensus is that its purpose is a replacement for the real thing, unlike videogames which are rarely seen in that light.

So to make it simple, you playing a game where you kill people isnt you replacing that with actually killing people. But you masturbating to lolicon porn is a replacement for masturbating to real children.

That being said, as ive already stated not all lolicons are pedophiles and so OP's argument is one built on faulty logic to begin with and clearly isnt trying to deal with the real issue here.
You are a pedophile for jerking it to loli's because there is no way to disprove you are not a pedophile, were as you are not a killer for killing in a videogame because that can be proved and is generally accepted as something normal.

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And murdering people in vidya means you have no sympathy towards your fellow humans.

You seem to be saying that loli cartoons look like real children. But if you were to actually look at the art, the 'loli' looks nothing like a real life child. 90% of loli porn gives the subjects wide hips and developed asses. This heavily stylized art method differentiates them to the point that I would say means liking loli porn does not mean you like/have a preference for actual children.

Nope, it doesn't, user.

But thats just your personal opinion. Video games are objectively trying to stimulate you murdering other people. There is no other reason imersiveness is considered a good thing in video games. Whereas a loli manga usually isn't portrayed in first person.

So in the end despite video games being much more like a simulation and loli being much more like fiction its is considered the other way around? Why? You know the answer and so do I. Normalfags hate pedos

You kind of have some idea of what you are talking about and it makes it that much worse when you pretend otherwise.

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Lolicons arent pedophiles by default. Simply stating all videogames are one way and all lolicon porn is one way is false.
>no other reason
according to what?

Because there's cum involved, and when cum is involved it takes everything to the next level.

Violent video games or movies or whatever are a form of entertainment. What you beat off to directly reflects your sexuality.

It's the same with homos who beat off to "traps"

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Killing a fake human who's begging for his life by shooting him in the knee caps and giggling at his anguished screams doesn't mean you lack sympathy despite it being a realistic depiction of a human with human emotions and features but masturbating to a cartoon of a 12 year old with bug eyes means you are a pedophile.
Sure thing, keep lying to yourself for whatever reason.

>Killing a fake human who's begging for his life by shooting him in the knee caps and giggling at his anguished screams

99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of video games aren't that at all.

Not everybody who plays video games are psychopaths but video games attract psychopaths and or most gamers are psychopaths.
Murdering someone in cold blood as they beg for forgiveness is ok but if there is one tit in that movie its bad
>amerilards

Doesn't matter. I was over exaggerating but the result is the same. You are still murdering people who speak human tongues, and have human faces and scream when they die.

Jerking off to lolis doesn't make you a pedophile, being attracted to children or lolis makes you a pedophile. And, why would you jerk off to lolis if you weren't attracted to them?

>pedophilia is wrong because everyone said so
T. normalfag

Im glad we agree then

>he never speaks about the morality of pedophilia
>REEE NORMIEE
Kill yourself

Playing video games doesn't make you a psychopath, killing people without remorse makes you a psychopath. And, why would you play a video game about killing people if it made you feel bad?

I don't believe that the reason you masturbate to artistic renditions of 12 year olds is because of their disproportionately large eyes.

They're most likely never gonna process through their normie brains that masturbating to fictional little girls isn't exactly pedophilia, it's fetish play just like how the inflationist masturbates to someone swelling up or how the vorest masturbates to someone being swallowed.

They have been conditioned to accept violence and gore over sexual stuff mainly because America is unfortunately a christian country with draconian morals that need to die off.

>user cant separate fiction from irl
wew laddie! Whos the nutjob here again?

>pedophilia is wrong
>being attracted to a girl under 18 years old makes you a pedophile
t. normie

>dick
>girls

pick one

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Probably has more to do with nature.

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what if im disgusted by irl loli shit? i only like hentai loli cuz of the cute factor

The murder is never as realistic as you make it out to be.

Even if it is over-the-top gory like Mortal Kombat it's actually besides the point. It's a video game and people play it because it's challenging and fun and competitive. Even other games like the Hitman series you have to use your brain and it's more about solving puzzles and using logic than it is about satisfying any sort of urge as a closet murderer. Any sort of game that's overly realistic in its depiction of murder always gets called out by the community and the industry.

The whole thing with lolis, like said is pretty much black and white.

You jerk off to what you're attracted to. If you weren't attracted to children then you wouldn't be beating off to cartoon children.

well the argument that they're sticking to porn is their argument for their morality, and it's not a bad one. what do you think happens to pedophilia if you cut them off from cartoon child porn, their sexual tastes go away? loli porn is honestly the most innocuous option for these men. i also don't think it will encourage them to rape, for the reasons stated and because porn is generally better than struggling for women as we can attest by many many males today.

It's because you consider 12 year olds to be at their sexual prime, and if that is the case, you're a pedophile. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that.

Who are you guys quoting?

I never said anything about pedophilia being wrong or titties in movies

No but there is something inherently wrong with your definition of pedophile. A pedophile is not interested in pubescent humans. 12 is past the average age for girls to hit puberty, and so it wouldnt be pedophilia to be attracted to them, by definition.

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reminder cartoons arent real. this is not a little girl it is a drawing of a fictional being. nobody irl is being hurt by this. anyone who says otherwise is on par with the retarded christian parents from the 80s who thought listening to iron maiden would turn you into a devil worshiper murderer.

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>this is my opinion, if you dont agree with it then outlandish and insulting comparison.

YOU FUCKING DID IT user I LOVE YOU

In gta 4 you chase multiple people down to alley ways and murder them as they beg for their lives. That was a great game. In cod WAW you can burn people alive and watch them run around screaming in agony. You can do that in other games but I just can't remember them all. There are so many games where you kill people without remorse despite them looking like people and sounding like people. I'm not saying i'm a psychopath because i've spent 30 minutes playing with a mutilated body in Fallout 3. I'm just saying jacking off to loli is the exact same thing and is in no way an indication of pedophilia. I fail to realize how having irl fun mutilating and exploding a body to bits is fine but having irl ejaculation to cartoons is an indication of a irl problem. From brain to stimuli there is no difference between the two.

Because it's a game. A game is a structured form of play with challenges and obstacles and objectives and rewards. Whatever violence there might be is besides the point.

Even the most benign family friendly shit like Mario has elements of violence where you're jumping on mushroom people and turtle monsters and whatever, but people don't enjoy the game for that aspect they enjoy it because it's a fun platforming game.

Wacking your willy to images of cartoon children is not besides the point, that is the whole point.

>I think cartoon kids are real and just because someone faps to cartoons they will commit crimes irl because I am a retard

A hebephile, then.

user, everybody in the entire world considers an attraction to girls 14 and younger to be pedophilia. I don't really care what the definition of the word was 50 years ago, today it means anybody who likes 15 year old girls.

>Any sort of game that's overly realistic in its depiction of murder always gets called out by the community and the industry.
Uhuh sure

You know the age of consent is 14-15 in most places of the world?

Meanwhile in reality people are gamers are rightfully pissed at the inclusion of crippled women in bf5.
get the fuck out of here you don't know what you are talking about.

I dont think I said any of that did I? Can you start making coherent points without trying to be insulting?
Then its a completely different discussion, as one is a mental disorder and the other is natural.
Have you ever left the continental United states and wound up in a place like sweden where the age of consent is 15? Or japan where its 14? Or hell, like a near majority of the world where its 16 without parents consent and 15 with it? That even being the case in several states within the US? Have you ever left your room? Are you drunk?

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> masturbating to lolicon porn is a replacement for masturbating to real children.

Not even close to true

Wrong, the age of consent is 16-18 in most places in the world and most places with a 16 year age of consent is usually only for other people within their age range. Meaning a 30 year old banging a 16 year old is still illegal.

I also fail to see what that has to do with anything. Marijuana is illegal mostly everywhere and despite this its socially accepted all over america.

It sounds like you're a psycho and a pedo to be honest. In Fallout 3 I had fun exploring the world and fighting off mutants and raiders with all sorts of weapons. I didn't spend 30 minutes playing with a dead body.

If you focus more on the violence aspect than the video game aspect of a video game then that's your problem. People enjoyed GTA4 because it was a great simulation of NYC with lots of side activities, etc.

With you jacking off to loli, well it's not like there's a wrong way of doing it. It's not like with video games, I'm not gonna be like "You masturbate to them because THEY'RE CHILDREN?? WOW YOU FREAK HERE I WAS MASTURBATING TO HOW WELL THE CHARACTERS ARE DRAWN"

You masturbate to cartoon depiction of children, because they're cartoon depictions of children because you're sexually attracted to children. There's no other reason. Its not like video games at all.

For some people it is. Which is why its not as simple as if it was just your issue.

>Meanwhile in reality people are gamers are rightfully pissed at the inclusion of crippled women in bf5.

what does that have to do with cartoon pedophiles

>japans age of consent is 14
False
You need to to more research. In fact they recently upped the age of consent in Japan from 16 to 18. There are regional laws that say the age of consent is 14 but those are overruled by the national laws meaning no, you can not bang a 14 year old in Japan legally.

The difference is that masturbating to lolis is like an act that confirms pedophillia, if that makes sense. No one who isn't a pedophile would be attracted to them in the first place. Killing someone in a video game, whether an NPC or another player, isn't something that only a murderer or a psychopath would do. It doesn't carry the same weight. If they're doing it because they enjoy the feeling of killing someone, they're a psychopath to some degree. If they're doing it because they enjoy the medium and they like the competitive aspect of it, they're not. It's apples to oranges.

Fair, but it's definitely wrong to say that everyone who jacks off to lolis wants to have sex with real children. There is a definite separation between those who are aroused by cartoon children only and those who are aroused by both real and cartoon children, and it is a mistake to group those two types of people together in many contexts, including legal and moral ones.

Maybe you just dont understand how federal and local laws work or something? But im glad we agree on everything else I posted.

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I never said it wasnt wrong. Not sure I would call it a mistake, its just not correct.

So you are saying i'm a psycho for enjoying peoples heads blow up like watermelons and fucking around with the movable object mechanic?

You have no consistency so i'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the thread.

Again, if having your brain activate dopamine for killing fake people isn't psychotic then how is activating dopamine in your brain for getting off to little girl drawings pedophilia. It sounds to me like you for some reason can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.

It implies most gamers do in fact care about more then just game mechanics. IE they care if they are murdering mushrooms or people ie they have more fun killing humans then mushrooms ie they are pyschopaths by your pedophile logic.

I agree with OP.

Video games are not an accurate depiction of reality just like lolicon isn't an accurate representation of a real child's body. Lolicon is a hyper sexuallized of reality and it should not be interpreted as actual pedophile because real humans do not look the same as 2D drawings who are intended to look attractive.

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>Japan is the U.S

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you would have to be more specific about the videogames you're talking about. Even violent videogames as a category aren't really a specific enough classification.

However, assuming you're talking about violent videogames, the majority of them revolve around some kind of power fantasy where the protagonist (and therefore the player) act as some stereotypically powerful and violent archetype.

This could be a mass murderer, or it could be a soldier, or a guerilla, a medieval knight, etc. Each one entails different ethical problems. If you're a mass murderer, it's hard to argue that you're morally justified in what you're doing since it's most likely entirely for your own gratification or benefit. But a soldier of all but the highest ranks is acting upon orders he's received from above; how can he be faulted for the deaths he causes?

What I'm trying to illustrate with this is that violent power fantasies are pretty diverse, and equating them all to the most morally reprehensible fantasy doesn't accurately represent the reality of the situation.

Aside from these points, being a murderer requires that you actually act on these fantasies, which the vast majority of people who play these videogames don't.

Masturbating to lolis is pretty much always about putting children into adult sexual situations. It's a way to fantasize about actual child pornography, which is itself a way to fantasize about having sex with children. It would be more than a little disingenuous to argue that masturbating to lolis doesn't lead in a straight line down to actual pedophilia.

His argument is that he believes that both statements are equally fallacious you fucking brainlet

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Had a lot of fun with blade & soul. Too lazy to keep grinding all the max level shit though

Also to add this is a very misleading info graph as most of these states allow 16 year olds to fuck 17-18 year old but don't allow 19 year olds to fuck 16 year olds.

>they work differently as far as government and local law
Feel free to prove me wrong but you cant because they dont. Nice outdated /tv/ meme though.
The graph is in reference to the federal age of consent and does not mislead anyone into thinking anything of what you said unless you dont know about US consent laws.

What if you like beating women up in video games?

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I'm a legit pedo and I don't find loli attractive at all.

I've never strolled down the street thinking about murdering someone. But im assuming youve seen a kid in public and thought "oh man I wish I could fuck that"

>people enjoyed GTA4 because it was a great simulation of NYC
Say what now? I'm pretty sure it could have been not so good of a simulation of NYC but people would've enjoyed it anyway. I'll let you figure out why yourself

>thinking this thread actually has anything to do with real pedophilia
Is it actually true pedophiles are less intelligent?

Who cares if you're a pedo? Just accept it, denying it is cucky as fuck. I'm a pedo but I'm not the one who's denying it on an anonymous imageboard.

I think I have a fair argument against this. Killing people isn't bad because they lose blood or they scream, it is because their life, the most valuable thing a human could have, is taken away. In videogames that does not happen. Killing fictional does not bear the consequences that make that action immoral, therefore it is not immoral and does not make you mentally ill. People would be blowing each other's heads off all the time if it was just a little practical joke.

Jerking off to drawings of children could, instead, mean being a pedo because being a pedo simply means being attracted to children. If you jerk off to drawings of children, you could be attracted to real children.

Lolis don't really look realistic though, so it's not necessarily pedophilia. Sorry for the reddit spacing, just trying to make this readable.

>im assuming things so I mind as well also assume you care about my assumption or think its relevant at all
classic

wfpl.org/kentucky-house-approves-measure-raise-age-consent/

>the graph is federal age of consent
>varies state by state
You are actually retarded

I'm not about to go through the entire list but trust me, i've done my research on this topic thoroughly. I believe the only state where a 19 year old can actually fuck a 16 year old without it being stat is nevada

I think most people have gone down a street thinking about murdering someone. Now the second thing is probably a hint that you're a pedo

I said its in reference to it user. We are literally agreeing about this but you are too hot headed to stop and think.

>thread discussing what constitutes pedophilia isn't about pedophilia
Brainlet spotted.

>thinking lolicons are pedophiles
Do you feel like you have to reply for a reason beyond reason user?

If you masturbate to killing things in a game youre a fucking psycho. are you actually comparing sexual release to playing a game? fuck this board

>>thinking lolicons are pedophiles
When did he say that Mr.Brainlet?

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It means that you're a homosexual.