Are cleans the absolute end-all best exercise for building overall strength on back/leg day...

Are cleans the absolute end-all best exercise for building overall strength on back/leg day? I'm fucking obsessed with them, I've never hated a day where I got to do cleans.

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Who cares if you enjoy them do them don't forget to jerk as well

reminder that oly lifts are a skill not a training exercise.
you can effrectibly use a skill for other sports.
sports are a skill.
the best way to train oly lifts is be training the components of it (this applies to every single sport and skill) mostly squats and deadlifts.
the oly lifts themselves should only be done to test your skills, but improvment only happends by training the components
the components are what makes sports like oly lifting so effective for athletism
the oly lifts with lightweights and with anything more than 5 reps are absolutly useless
the form of the guy on the pic is fucking shit.
oly lifts are fun as fuck desu

can one learn the oly lifts without a coach?

I disagree, I've used power cleans into front squats before, and I've been able to basically completely replace my old front squat routine and completely restructure my leg days because of it. Go in, clean +5 lbs from my last oly pull day (using the 2.5lb weights), take it into a front squat for 5 reps, drop, repeat after 30 seconds rest. After loading up and doing 3 sets of those and I'm completely done with compounds for the day and can focus on my isolation exercises (calves, rows, then weighted pullup dropset into assisted pullup dropset)

After all of these I'm fucking done for the day, and it allowed me to structure my PPL into an ABXX routine, allowing me to rest more and it works better with my work schedule.

Might sound bro-split tier, but after 3 years a PPL has done more than enough for me. I'm on my feet all day, every day for work, 6 days a week lately, so blending leg day and back day has been nothing but a blessing.

And I'm STILL in and out of the gym in around an hour and 15 on those days.

trying to learn them but having a problem with front squat position, I can do it properly on the rack and off rack but when I start to go down I feel pressure in my wrists even though the bar is in my delts. weird since I squat ATG easily

what does your routine sound like? I'm on a ULxPPL and going to try out oly lifting once I build my home gym later this year, currently just trying to learn the clean position first before I even try to clean

No, they hardly work the posterior chain

Literally what I just said. Go in on back day (B day), load up/warm up my joints, wrists, hips, etc., cleans into front squats 3x5, then calves for 3 sets to failure, rows (progressive overload every other week), and pullups from weighted to failure (45lbsx5-6), dropset it to 25lbs, then free weight, then assisted with band. By the time I'm done my entire body thanks me for the 2 days of rest I get before chest/shoulders day.

I suggest getting a coach, I watch Youtube videos all the time for clean and jerk, and study their every move, but at the end of the day having a coach to help you out for the first few weeks will make or break what makes you capable of doing them.

On my B2 day I just highbar back squat instead of cleans, and then continue on with everything else. I'll do like cable rows instead of dumbbell, and close grip pullups or muscle ups instead of the regular dropset. Calves are just hit on a different machine.

did olympic lifts daily and got up to a 350lb clean in two years. it sucks, not worth it. switch to a normal lifting routine and do cardio so that you don't feel like shit all day

>I've used power cleans into front squats before,
you mean a clean you fucking idiot?

>did olympic lifts daily
Might have been a bit much, don't you think?
I mean squatting 5 times after cleaning you fucknut, how else should I explain it. If I say 3x5 cleans people will think I'm dropping the bar each time.

what are you exactly disagreing tho?, you are saying that you have been able to keep making gainz with cleans? what you are describing is using very little volume to train strength, that is actually a good way to use any skill for strength development, the higher the volume and frequency is, then the more it involves the cns amking it a skill, however your is not the best method to gain strength or get significantly better at oly lifts, is not bad, what you describe is actually a good example of a strength routine that is transferable to pretty much any sport as it focus on strength and not developing a skill, so...im not sure what are you exactly disagreing with

does oly lifting build muscle?
trying to go for that thick crossfitter look and it seems a must

yes it does build muscle, however don't fall for the crossfit meme, if you want to do oly lifting then go somewhere where you can learn from an actual coach, learning oly lifts from crossfit is the worst thing you can do to yourself

dont have anywhere except a crossfit gym
fucking sucks

well then, you have too options, learn it youself from books and youtube videos, or just stick with regular lifting, however to develop power similar to an oly lifter, train maximum strength, power and speed, zack telander in youtube is a grat source of info on oly weightlifting and strength and power training, def check it out

just become a knowledge vacuum and self teach, there's more than a couple of folks around that can give you form advice and there's plenty of resources on the internet on how to start an oly program. Greg Evertt's book on olympic weightlifting for athletes and coach is a fantastic book imo to start out with.

I am coming back from an injury and it was bad. Wrists and it came from a fall. Somebody with worse bones than me would probably have broken both wrists, I just sprained mine.

So I went to the gym today and I tried doing power cleans because I like them. Even though I usually never really did the front squat variant and trying to learn that now coming back from the injury. So this retarded roidmonkey who only uses dumbbell like a tro broscientist stood with a shit eating grin a bit further from where I was doing the powercleans. First I felt mad at myself for doing them poorly but meh wrist injury and later decided to not care. Imagine a guy who is brosplit-curl-for-the-gurls embodied, this guy is it. I am happy I am natty because if I would be roiding I would be sitting in the back of a fucking police cruiser right now instead of sitting here and typing this up.

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Power? Yes. Strength? No.

That little finger thing you have to do in a clean is extremely beta and demasculating. Keep trying to do your little meme exercises but behavior patters like you develop doing that run deep and will weaken you as a man if you keep it up

Well not everyone wants to do physical shit just to gain bloatlord strength, I think some stuff I do at the gym is because it's fun and thereby makes me more motivated to go there.

There fun as fuck, I don't do them anymore really though.

I do faggy shit with roman rings just because it's fun. Is it really useful or worth the time I put into it? Hell no. But it's fun.

yeh ive been watching youtube videos and following instagram stuff too
meanwhile also doing snatch grip high pulls for trap development

the hang clean and clean of blocks are better for explosive hip drive in my opinion.
The squat is better for producing overall leg strength (high bar of course) .
you can squat of pins to train 'power' from any postion, it isn't as dynamic as cleans but hits knee extention way harder.

Retarded post. You do need squats and pulls (not deadlifts), but is you want to get better at weightlifting, you snatch a d you clean and jerk. You learn to walk by walking

Nope. Absolutely not. Thats a one way ticket boy

is there a minimum strength threshold one should reach before trying oly with a coach? e.g. 1/2/3/4?

if you see the training of oly lifters (and any competing athlete) you will see that they have phases, first they develop their strength and conditioning, this phase thakes the longest as its the most important, all oly lifters do squat a lot more than they do oly lifts, of course you have to do the skills, but only focusing on it is not the most effective way.

no