Take the steroidpill:

Stay natty, at least for 2-3 years. Learn to lift and eat properly, then if you for some reason want to go from fit & strong into freak mode, then juice up.

There are so many stories of beginners doing roids, getting some gains but then fucking up somehow and needing to come off which results in them losing all of their gains, along with surpressed T production for the rest of their lives.

I ran a light cycle and wanted to fuck the whole time. Needless to say, I wasnt able to.

I'd rather not put myself through the torture again even if it means gains.

26, lifting since june, second attempt to seriously gym until I die. 1,77 and 73gks.

Should I juice up? What should I take?

Steroids aren't that good desu.

Unless you're running high dosages/serious stacks consistently, your gains won't be that much more impressive that someone who's natty, only marginally faster.

I ran two cycles. One was Sustanon 250 + dbol for almost 3 months and the other was test-e + anavar for two months. I was disappointed. I got a bit stronger, lost a bit of fat and gained a bit of muscle, but none of it was that impressive that made me want to spend that much money again.

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Iktf bro. Makes me want to shag nearly every woman i see

Be a fucking man, lift heavy and eat consistently. There is literally zero reason for you to take steroids. Taking them for confidence reasons won't solve your shit, you'll still be a dyel on the inside.

The journey in the iron game on the other hand will. You will know confidence when you set goals, and complete and even surpass them.

>there is no reason not to use steroids
1 reason is i don't want to die from cardiomegaly

bruh r u tryna get yoked or nah

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Been lifting for years and want to take the leap into freak mode but I have dick problems as it is and I don’t want to kill it entirely

You forgot die at 46 looking disgusting

pls

>Die at your peak in your best physical shape before your body starts to deteriorate and your quality of life plummets

Where do I sign up?

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It's a mindset.

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All you need to sign up is a .357 magnum. You don't need to look like a freak to do that. Normal males have been killing themselves when they hit 60 all century.

No source talk retard, put a minimal amount of effort into research

Someone answer this motherfucker, it aint even that fucking serious you fucking faggots

Go to a guy who looks like he roids at your gym and ask where he gets his stuff you autist

Go to one of your city's biggest gym, look for the big guys that's obviously on roids, befriend them, ask them where they got the roids

At least that's a reply I remembered from Jow Forums a few threads ago

Dark web, idiot

LOL, DYEL cat

Nice, get chemicals you're injecting into your thigh from a shady street dealer or an entity of unverifiable credibility on the dark web.
Yeah there's no way you'll get an infected cyst from that

testosterone will make your dick harder and make you want to fuck more. also, cialis will give you awesome pumps in the gym and also help you get boners if you have ED. I tried it but it didnt feel different from normal. I can get boners on demand.

you're not gonna die from moderate to low doses of testosterone.

I get mine from a supplier off exports india dot com. Use a burner phone, prepaid visa and protonmail. They sell Thaiger pharm and synther. Good shit. 10 day delivery time. Ban me idgaf.

>I want to live until I’m old as shit
>unironically wanting to be in chronic pain and degrading mental state

Steroids are awesome. After running a few cycles I would take them even if I didn’t get the physical benefits from them.

The mental/personality gains are incredible. Imagine the most beta pussy bitch turning into someone who gives zero fucks about what other people think. Amazing.

>not using domestic source
>not using bitcoin

Kek

Tell me more about the mental and personality gains.

As for quality yeah domestic is prob better, but i get orders every time and its not like any LE gives a fuck about small time purchases.

>you're not gonna die from moderate to low doses of testosterone.
no you'll just die from the sepsis you get from non-sterile chemicals being injected into your muscle

not him, but I agree with him, while I'm on test, I'm much more calm and relaxed. I don't get as angry as I used to. Things that used to make me angry just make me laugh now. I feel more confident in every situation I'm in. In line at the store, in traffic, talking to people. I feel less afraid of rejection and more friendly without cares or expectations. I feel like the mother fucking man on test.

how often does this actually happen though?

Never

Basically never. Probably less than 1 in 1000 steroid users, I'd guess.

>feel like superman

i don't get this meme, and I've been on test-e for 9 months. i blasted and made tremendous gains, sure, but i really don't feel much different aside from being a bit more level in the emotional department. the extra energy was due to the bulk, as soon as i started cutting it felt like i always did, hungry and weak.

on cruise test too, i last maybe 3-5 minutes during a fuck and cum really easy. jerking off, i can get through maybe ten tabs before i bust where before i could load up 100 and sit there and edge for over an hour.

hey man, i heard that does funny things to your balls

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what was your test at before your cycle though? Mine went from like 400 to 2400 and I definitely fucking felt it

Whats your strenght difference between natty and roids

The only reason id go roid would be to compete in the olympics abd make a living of it

ITT drug addicts proudly talking about their health damaging addiction

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A natty may be DYEL for a year until he finds his true god given form. That form last for his entire happy & long life.

A roidcel will be DYEL for a far shorter time, surpassing the natty exponentially. However eventually his detoriating health forces him off the juice, and his unnatural gains subside.

You know what's the most DYEL of all?
Being dead.

>A roidcel will be DYEL for a far shorter time, surpassing the natty exponentially. However eventually his detoriating health forces him off the juice, and his unnatural gains subside.
a jealous cope lol

>coping for shrunk balls & permanently wrecked natural T production

literally lmao'ing at your life

>shrunk balls & permanently wrecked natural T production
wow, a little HCG and everything goes back to normal and you get to keep your gains... hmm

Also HCG gives permanent dick gains

I'll do it when I hit 32 or so for keeping my T levels up. Currently 29 and on my first year of lifting tho so no need for now.

sure it does. I'm been juicing for 6 years while dosing HCG on the reg. My dick is still 5.5 inches long.

>runs retarded cycles
>duhhhh roids r bad

body dysmorphia the thread
see those lookism and dicksize threads on the first page, getting hundreds of replies from insecure retards even though they are not related to fitness in any way shape or form?
these guys keeps those threads alive

>33yo
>5'9 175 just off of a cut
>1/2/3/4 for easy money reps
>take first test cycle 500 a week
>tired all the time
>hungry all the time
>make great strength gains, workouts are better
>a little bit more horny than normal
>weight up 12 pounds
>lost fat, probably didnt eat enough

It didnt do anything like "feeling like superman". I was just tired and hungry all the time lol.

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whats a good first cycle then? I thought dbol and test e was a good first cycle

Has anyone tried this?

>go to doc
>say you want to be a man
>when they say you are already say you currently identify as a woman and want to transition

I feel like this would actually work

But seriously though;

If you have decent genetics and are still in your 20's or even younger, and you don't compete in powerlifting/bodybuilding etc; Why do roids?

I know that I am capable to naturally get strong and big enough to a level where normies think I am a roid head. People have accused me several times, including a doctor. Of course, to the people in the know, I am obviously not juicing.

Lifting is a hobby, I do it because I like to get stronger. Setting PRs is fun.

Why spend additional money and endure health risks when you can do without it? I just don't see the appeal unless I were to compete in something where most of my peers were juicing.

Made me lol

body dysmorphia and massive insecurity combined with breh knowledge on the side effects:
>no you just need to take these 5 other substances and you'll be fine, but if you take these then you also need to...)

I just dont get the moral hangups about it. why WOULDNT you wanna use a substance than can help you get bigger, stronger, recover better, partition nutrients better? surely you buy whey protein or creatine or something. it's the same damn thing. a product that gives you an edge.

did you get bloodwork done before, a few weeks in, and after?
were you taking an AI?

>comparing fucking powdered protein to addictive drugs

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Not true, dying at your peak physical condition seals your status as a lifter for eternity. Just look at Zyzz.

>tired
not getting enough sleep
>hungry
not getting enough calories

>Just look at Zyzz.
Who?

>roids
>addictive
you baited me good

look it up
this is the kind of breh knowledge I always talk about
roidheads just simply dont have enough knowledge about the side effects and negative side, or straight up ignore it

Get a load of this faggot

shows how little you know about "roids". do you know what steroids are? they're drugs made from human hormones. Cortizone is a steroid, from the cortisol hormone. Birth control is an estrogen steroid. You wanna know the most common anabolic steroid? It's pure testosterone. A hormone your body already produces. It's just an extra boost to give you supraphysiological levels of test. I dont see anything wrong with that as long as you're doing bloodwork to monitor your levels.

Steroids aren't addictive. Maybe the desire of the outcome that steroids give you is, but the substance itself is not.

If there was something that did it better anyone taking roids would get off no problem.

Ok inject JUST test into your bloodstream and nothing else, after all your body already produces it, and lets see what happens

our endocrine system is fucking simple after all, and we know everything about it

Is there anything more beta than having to inject T?
no

Having 230 ng/dL

Not the other guy replying to you.

I don't get moral hangups. In fact I believe steroids should be legal, what you put into your own body as an adult is your own choice. My only pet peeve is people doing steroids as complete beginners, I believe they should at least get 1-2 years of QUALITY lifting & eating under their belt and assess it from there.

I am just trying to help beginners, and especially younger ones, not get sucked into the "you have to do roids else you're eternally a dyel lmao" meme. Yes of course steroids will make everything easier and faster, but they won't solve the underlying issue of why you started doing steroids in the first place, unless that reason literally was to compete in a sport where everyone else is juiced up.

trying to buy your way out of betadom is the ultimate beta move

I don't disagree, but then you get into this situation where it's like, you should wait 5 years before trying steroids, you need to train for 10 years and be at least 30 before you even think about it, and then it's just lke this impossible gate keeper situation that's totally unnecessary. If you've lifted and dieted for 1 year, I say go for it.

It isn't. That's fucking delusional and it doesn't even cost much.
>restoring your test production to natural levels is beta
Working out is beta and cope too buddy.
>trying to work your way out of betadom
>trying to buy your way out of betadom
>trying to do anything to get out of betadom

all beta

>working for what you want vs jew short cuts

you will never make it with this beta mentality

650 natty. right in the median average.

i started lifting late in life as a skinny fat dyel. gains were slow as fuck. i just barely made 3pl8 diddy for fucking one rep before hopping on. all my lifts went up about 30% from each respective max and i gained 25lb muscle in 20 weeks. on cruise and a cut i've hung on to all that strength since i started, and lost like 30 lb fat so far. natty lifting is a meme if you start too late.

when I did steroids the only thing that happened was I got very big and I also got very obsessed with anime titties to the exclusion of real women. basically it improved my life by 1,000%

i have huge balls that i want to keep, hcg cannot retain original size no matter what dose

>caring about gains enough to take steroids
I really just use the gym for the discipline, mental, and health gains. A nice body is cool too, but the gym is not important enough to take drugs for.
Lifting is kinda gay too desu

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user the jews are the only ones keeping you from what you want. Take the red pill.

>over 25
sounds good to me boomer, have fun with your hard attack

t.zoomer

how old were you when you started?

on and off at 23, seriously at 25. three years and all i could muster was 175lb bench, 3pl8 diddy and 115 ohp. 20 weeks on test and i shot all the way up past intermediate straight to proficient lift standards. fucking hell of a drug. GF loves me more now and even pins my glutes. feels good man

You are welcome faggot

Yes i took AI. Took blood before, score was 700.
Ive been eating and sleeping a fuck ton bro

Go lay down boomerboi.

I just want to feel normal again, im sure I am super low test naturally and because of the country cuked shit I live in they will not let me have steroids to help me out.

ive taken them before and they instantly solved my depression, anxiety, feeling weak, tired etc...... fucking kill meeeeeeeeeee

Google bra have a look around. It all depends on what country you are in and what you want. I wouldn't bother with the dark web tho, plenty of sources local or on the light web.

But this is obiosly all iligal, and a site like Jow Forums with a current owner that hands information to the FBI, isn't the best place to share links.

>Blocks your path

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Sup Jow Forums, I'm a pretty fat guy (~225lbs) who almost never exercises so I've decided to do something about it and am taking DNP to lose weight fast so I can start lifting
I did a trial run of 200mg per day for 5 days and ran a ketogenic diet at an 800 calorie deficit a few weeks ago so I know I can deal with it

If I'm taking DNP, what will make me lose the most weight - 400mg per day for 1 week or 200mg per day for 2 weeks?

Broke: using steroids to get better gains
Woke: using steroids because your nuts are so big you need to make them smaller.
Bespoke: injecting steroids into your testicles

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THANK YOU BASED NATTY CAT

>no reason not to take them

I compete tested, manchild.

I know for a fact that you are a huge pussy and an incel.