A buddy of mine says Joe Rogan can beat prime Mike Tyson in a street fight. Is he right

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holy shit how is this a fucking thread?

how do i get a neck like that?

No fucking chance.

Prime Tyson would have been able to hold his own against most of the UFC roster, the guy was/is an absolute animal.

where's the evidence joe can execute his BJJ with a guy like Tyson instinctually ground and pounding him, nevermind actually being able to get him to the ground.

Joe could take a lot of boxing guys out with blackbelt BJJ, mike isn't one of them though

>implying you could get anywhere near Tyson’s legs for a takedown

Tyson spent his whole fucking career fighting inside, he wants you to come in so he can lift your head off your shoulders.

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Reminder that tyson was street fighting with his crew long before he started boxing. In fact, he discovered boxing in juvy

People saying Joe would stand no chance are just paying lip service to Mike Tyson. Joe has nasty kicks, and a taekwondo stance is very effective against a boxing stance. If Tyson wanted to hit he would have to clear the distance, which is exactly what Rogan would need to get a clinch and then a takedown, which is absolutely possible with good technique, especially against someone with zero grappling experience. Once it's on the ground it's over. You guys who have never trained in any martial arts won't understand this.

Joe Rogan's a black belt in BJJ and a legit former taekwondo champion. If he weren't a total manlet I'd bet on him everytime

Joe's kicks are overrated. He hits a standing target hard, thats it. He could beat up the average person for sure, but a pro-heavyweight? Not a chance

No
Mabye if it was a different athlete with joe's skill set then mabye but not joe.

>Tyson spent his whole fucking career fighting inside, he wants you to come in so he can lift your head off your shoulders.
Terrible example, no one with a brain is going to hang out right in his range ever. MMA =/= boxing. You either shoot from outside they're punching range or you clinch and takedown if you're inside. You don't stand there BOXING with him which is what his opponents had to do.

>BOOM
>BAM
>POW
>ARMBAR

>CLICK

Actually falling for the joepill lol

>Joe's kicks are overrated. He hits a standing target hard, thats it. He could beat up the average person for sure, but a pro-heavyweight? Not a chance
Wtf are you talking about, ya dope. You've watched like one or two videos of him hitting a bag and think you actually know what his kicking skills are like? It's not about how hard or accurately he hits, it's about the fact that he would totally control the distance. If you can only punch when your opponent can kick it's fucking hard to get inside. You have no idea what you're talking about at all.

>muh BJJ

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>Presenting the back of your head to Mike Tyson.
BJJ cool aid detected.

This
Mike Tyson was a street fighter. He was in trouble alot and was bullied as a child by older kids and would fight them. He lost alot fights until he started getting older....then he became a fucking animal.

Prime Tyson would destroy pretty much anyone in ANY kind of fight.

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lmao @ retarded brain-damaged boxingfags
youtube.com/watch?v=adOpTYjjedE
roe jogan snatches a quick double leg on mr. broken back and takes him to arm triangle city
fight me pussies

Whittaker is a legit wrestler and has a brown belt in BJJ. He actively competes in grappling and had already rocked his opponent here.

Watch Woodley vs Thompson.

Anyone can. The question is what is the probability? How likely is that to happen?

I'm not suggesting Rogan would win a KICKBOXING fight, simply that he would be able to manage the distance until he could take it to the ground. What takedown defence does Tyson have? None. It's not like Thompson was trying to takedown Woodley, who's a BJJ black belt.

Watching videos of prime Tyson is terrifying. He moves so fucking fast he’s a blur but sacrifices no power. Truly a gorilla.

Let’s just think about the OP’s premise for a second:

>Joe Rogan
>primarily a comedian and colour commentator
>also trains in martial arts to a decent level
>has no professional fight record
>Mike Tyson
>professional fighter his whole adult life
>44 KOs from 58 fights
>50 wins
>12 first round KOs

Joe Rogan against some chump amateur boxer, yeah probably Rogan. Joe Rogan against one of the best heavyweights ever?

> Prime Mike Tyson, who toppled people much bigger than him and held a World Heavyweight Title at the age of 20 who ended 88% of his fights by knockout
> Some out of shape manlet who is obsessed with Weed
> Mfw your buddy might actually be braindead

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Don't forget Joe is an absolute pussy and has a fetish for black men

I dunno about out of shape. From his own word he lifts, does bjj regularly and runs often. What you're probably looking at is a dude in his 50s.

>whoa he totally beat a 42 year old retired boxer

Rogan could even bring his bow to the ring and I’d still bet on Tyson

TKD is honestly overrated, its just most people are retarded in terms of reaction time and depth perception. I can do all of what Rogan can, but I don't get to practice spin kicks very often because I don't think even my coach knows how to do them.

t. muay thai for 4 years

Is it possible to achieve a similar physique to Tyson's as a natty average guy?

I guess he's not too horribly out of shape, and he does admit to not being natty, which helps.
But he's still getting absolutely shit on by prime Tyson.

No. Tyson is a world champion AND a nigger. He can wreck 99.999% of the world population in a street fight

TKD LOOKS cool but in actual fighting its trash. You aren't going to be doing spinny kicks as much as you think in an actual fight.

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He was a successful taekwondo competitor, not to the level of Tyson of course, but still has a history of winning martial arts competitions. He has high level BJJ, he's a black belt. Mike Tyson was not a professional FIGHTER, he was a professional BOXER. He never fought ANYONE who could ever take him down. Everyone he fought was obliged to stand and box with him.

What happens when Rogan gets a single leg or clinch? He can even go in with some of these crazy spinning/rolling attacks to the legs like Ryan Hall and so on do, with zero chance of being threatened. You've obviously NEVER done any grappling so don't understand the incredible difference that technique makes between a black belt and someone with no experience whatsoever. It takes one takedown and it's over, and that takedown wouldn't be hard to get. He either shoots low and from a distance or he grabs a clinch and keeps it. Let me remind you that Tyson has never had to deal with someone who wasn't forced to let go of a clinch by the referee.

randy was 47 when he fought toney
absolute state of boxingfags

Tyson's physique was on-par with Holyfield in their fight
Holyfield was juiced to the gills, caught doing it too
Holyfield on top of juicing was also lifting weights and was buddies with bodybuilders
Tyson did almost nothing but boxing, jogging and a little bit of a calisthenics
so
*no*

I have 10 years of jujitsu, I know how to grapple. I also know how much it fucking hurts to get clocked by an uppercut when you mistime your takedown.

Come on man, Tyson was on more gear than a cattle farm

>Joe Rogan hits his blunt in preparation for the fight
>Mayweather emerges into the ring arms raised. Thunderous cheering from the crowd
>*Rogans gaze tightens inquisitively at his opponent*
>that chimp must weigh what? 400lbs?
>Jesus those things will tear you to shreds

that's what I'm implying brah I'm on your side here

Bruh, I started kickboxing eight years ago. I have a hip condition that means I can't abduct my hips properly, so effectively I can only punch and kick the legs. Against a good kicker I'm at a massive disadvantage, and anyone who figures out that I'm not kicking them just starts keeping the distance with their kicks and give me a really really hard time. Now what I would always do would be to try to catch a leg and then sweep or takedown, but Rogan would never have to worry about that. He could just keep kicking and kicking, and it would make it tough for Tyson to get in. Eventually he would have to overexert himself and leave himself more exposed to a takedown.

why are ufc fighters such shitty boxers, why dont they have enough respect for their own sport in incorporate boxing more? It's a fucking embarrassment how they punch.

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My dude I watch some of the BJJ guys at my gym try to spar with us, and they are painfully slow, almost girl-tier in controlling distance. Not saying Rogan is that bad obviously, but the difference in striking speed vs speed of grappling is insane.
Give a man as fast and as dedicated as Tyson a couple pointers on sprawling and keeping hip distance, and he would wreck people in MMA within a week of training.

>taekwondo
>meaning anything at all
>Taekwondo
>not the mcdojo of combat sports
>implying your average gymbro couldnt beat up your average taekwondo blackbelt

>BJJ
>meaning anything at all in a street fight
>BJJ
>in a street fight
>with joe on the ground
>where mike could literally stomp on joe's head or volley kick him to death
>where mike could literally grab joe's leg and scrape him along the tarmac until joe's back is a bloody mess
>implying street fights even go to the ground most of the time

>implying you've ever been in a real street fight
>implying you know what you're talking about

Oh i wasn't disagreeing with him getting smashed in the slightest. Just that he's pretty Jow Forums for a full boomer.

>diving into uppercut range on Mike Tyson
Sound strategy. And I'm sorry you suck at timing takedowns, and that your grappling must be shit for ten years? And I know lots of feeble grapplers with that much experience who still get stomped by blue belts so you're not impressing anyone.

holyfield was juiced to the gills but he did 5 hours of boxing+running+dancing everyday. he only weighed 215 at 1.89cm. his physique wasn't THAT impressive. the impressive thing about holyfield was that he went from a 190lb cruiserweight to a 215lb heavyweight who knocked mike tyson the fuck out.

Not sure. I think it has to do is having to learn all aspects of fighting instead of one specific type. But I've noticed The specialist are the ones that make it big.

It is cringy how none of these guys have heard of a jab and just throw over hands.

Fucking kek. Stop exposing how little you know about martial arts. You can't just stomp on people's heads. If you want to do that you have to get around their guard, and if you try to jump over you're going to get leg locked. You think Mike Tyson knows how to escape a heel hook? Fucking idiot lmao.

It's cool as a supplement but generally i agree with you. I will say, however, that most current fighters would benefit from some more focus on sidekicks.
t. Did tkd for 14 years and competed internationally

lel and you're exposing how little you know about actually fighting somebody in a real situation.

You think joe would be thiking about his guard or getting in a heel hook when theres a potentially deadly guy literally trying to beat him to death?

Do you understand how fast prime Mike Tyson was? 50 year old Joe Rogan wont even to be able to react fast enough.

Do you know why I make mistakes and fuck up? Because I train in my spare time. If I were good enough to make a living out of fghtng do you think I’d work my wagie job? Do you think someone like me, who does MA in their free time, would stand a chance against a professional fighter of any proper ringsport?

I onow my limitations, you’re the one creating a childish omnipotent strawman.

Yeah, most BJJ guys are bugmen-tier lames, so what? Clinch = takedown. Getting hold of a leg = takedown. Rogan goes out there and keeps throwing kicks until Tyson gets too close and he clinches up, or until he finds an opportunity to dive in low. That's it. 'A couple of pointers' isn't going to stop that.

Probably. it doesn't take much to learn and a world champion fighter has probably at some point discussed or trained with other world champion martial arts and compared styles.

Most people singing the praises of BJJ on Jow Forums have been doing it for under 2 years. No reason to think someone like Tyson hasn't mucked about a bit on the mats.

My hip flexors actually got destroyed one class where they wanted us to do 50 leg checks in a row. Prior to that, I had never had hip pain in 23 years, besides when I wore a heavy toolbelt for construction. I'm still very flexible but I think I'm stuck at my current level now and will never be able to do the splits without therapy.

Anyway, as a really good kicker, people can still get inside fairly easily if they time it right and use angles. The key here being that Tyson has nigga reach and could still hit Joe at just inside kicking range.

>Rogan goes out there and keeps throwing kicks until Tyson gets too close

nigga when tyson gets too close you get KTFO'd

>Mike Tyson can only punch
Do you think he would have gloves on retard? It's not "Joe can do anything VS Mike can only box by the rules" it's a STREET FIGHT. Mike can do anything too, and believe me that Big Strong Nigger has shit in his arsenal.

>muh real situation
Drunk bar fights aren't good examples of fights, nor are scumbags wildly swinging at each other on the street. Yeah, people are capable of using their skills automatically in a fight situation, it's not a novel concept.

You can't punch properly in a clinch. That's all it takes, one clinch. You're the crazy one for suggesting that Tyson will just knock him out immediately every time.

You're shit because you think an uppercut is a reliable TD defence. It's not. It happens, sure. Rogan could literally just shoot in legs first every time like Ryan Hall or Garry Tonon. Grab onto a leg, pull him down, end of fight.

boxing is meme-tier """"""martial art""""""

Repeating: tyson has vastly more experience street fighting than joe in addition to being one of, if not the, most dangerous professional boxer of all time.

>You can't punch properly in a clinch.

t. has never been in a clinch before

Why are BJJ fags so insecure? They should go on Twitter and ask Joe Rogan if he could beat prime Mike Tyson. He'll tell them he cant.

I don’t consider an uppercut a reliable takedown offence. I do consider Mike Tyson being fully able to knock out a fucking stand up comic who tries to double leg him.

>you can’t punch properly in a clinch

Funny, because boxers, both Western and Thai, spend huge amounts of time drilling body shots and uppercuts from clinch positions.

Reflect in the fact that you are advocating that a guy who gets stoned on his poscast for a living can take on one of the greatest heavyweight champions to ever fight in a ring.

I think your buddy got punched in the face by Prime Mike Tyson and half his brain was jettisoned out his ear

Well we're talking about prime Tyson here when BJJ wasn't even a thing, and I've never heard of Tyson ever doing any grappling. It would be a pretty big deal considering everyone lost their minds when Anthony Bourdain started doing it.

>Anyway, as a really good kicker, people can still get inside fairly easily if they time it right and use angles. The key here being that Tyson has nigga reach and could still hit Joe at just inside kicking range.
My point is that this forces Tyson to over-extend. Keep that for a short while and he exposes himself for a clean(ish) takedown. I would never suggest that Rogan would actually win a stand-up contest, even with today's Tyson, but it would force him to worry about kicks and range, as well as the ultimate threat of a takedown.

Yeah shut up retard. You have no idea what you're talking about. Fuck is he gonna do, magic spells?

Joe would get knocked out from Mike hitting his hard hand and his guard hand hitting his head

lel im genuinely beginning to think you're baiting

Heres the four situations that may happen

1. Mike and joe go toe to toe, joe tries to kick mike out of range, mike may get hit by a leg kick or two but just charges forward and knocks joe out literally in one punch. Joe could get a lucky head kick but with mike's reflexes i doubt it'd connect before mike could get a punch in

2. Mike and joe clinch and mike (as a boxer who is experienced at clinching) knocks joe out while they're wrapped up or butts him and keeps punching while joe is dazed

3. Mike and joe go to the ground, if mike is on top he has his whole weight on top of joe and could pound him in to a coma. Theres a chance joe could wrap him up before this happens but i dont think it is likely seeing how hard and fast tyson can punch

4. They both go to the ground with joe on top. Joe has the advantage here because mike doesnt have his weight on his side and cant punch downwards with gravity doing the work. Even in this situation mike could keep punching until joe wraps him up. Mike would literally keep going until joe broke his arm or choked him out.

Theres only one situation out of the 4 there where joe could win and even then it isnt a sure win.

BJJ was a thing in the 80s and 90s. It just wasn't a meme.

Wrestling has been a thing for as long as recorded history the idea that leglocks and takedowns came about in the 21st century when you're surfer salute dojo started decorating their Gi's is a fucking joke.

Tyson fought as many streetfights as boxing fights. I doubt that Rogan has fought much outside of the octagon

>Fuck is he gonna do, magic spells?
Yes, it's called Power Word: Ear

I do and have done everything. I'm not in any one martial art's camp. You can't fucking punch someone in the face when your arms are tied up with someone trying to wrestle you. It's not a fucking thai clinch, or a boxing clinch. If Tyson tries to punch he just exposes himself for Rogan to get an even better hold on him. Don't be a fucking idiot.

Yeah because Rogan's just going to come out and say that he could beat Mike Tyson in a fight? Everyone saw the first UFC fights, and Royce was kind of shitty compared to today's black belts, and had literally no strength.

He's much better at martial arts than he is at stand-up, but that's not saying much. I'm not saying Rogan couldn't get knocked out, just that more times than not he would avoid being knocked out from the one or two punches that Tyson could actually throw before being clinched and taken down, or just taken down from an ankle pick or something. Boxing and thai clinches aren't wrestling clinches.

Kicking somebody in the leg like a 12 year old girl or bjj nuthugging doesn't work in reality. Especially against someone like Tyson.

Mike Tyson could have beat a gorilla in his prime.

falling for the bait

You can learn wrestling as a boxer and not hinder your ability to box. The stance and movements are the same. It's bjj and muay thai that are unnatural and ruin your ability to throw a punch. That's why everybody in mma swing like women

But could he beat Dibba Mugabe the hands down best fighting gorilla to ever walk the Congo. I think not.

To all of you. If you look at fights where there's a giant skill discrepancy in grappling between the two fighters you almost always find that the grappler demolishes the other guys. Look at Ben Askren, Khabib etc. These guys (guys like this) only really lose when the other person has high enough grappling skill to avoid being taken down, or they do dumb shit like try to prove their striking skills.

I know it existed, just that it was practically unheard of until Royce started winning fights in the first UFCs.

You have no experience in grappling, so just stop.

We've also seen Holly Holmes vs Ronda Rousy, Boxer vs Grappler. We're talking PRIME MIKE not 45 year old Mike.

youtube.com/watch?v=_O7fX0EM4uo

>I-it was bait you guys!

lol are you kidding me? A weed smoking lazy fuck like him vs PRIME mike tyson. I don't even need to say more.

Yet in all street fights, prison fights, school fights, mma fights, and boxing fights, throwing punches comes natural to everybody because it's simple and effective. Boxing just works. Everything else is meme tier striking.

I'm getting shoah'd by captcha right now so it took this long to respond.
>thinking one of the GOAT boxers will over extend themselves

>loses the argument
>it was just bait guys

Rousey literally just walked in with her face up, and Holly Holm had years of grappling/MMA experience before their fight.

Whats your reasoning behind that or is it just from observation?

Nigga you have swallowed the whole 'martial arts turns me in to an indestructable superman' pill

you need to watch Ramsey Dewey
youtu.be/2t7U9_0ZhCQ
youtu.be/sD22qgifaqg
youtu.be/mDsf68v-pC8

doing BJJ and grappling does not make you invincible