Will there be healthy vegan versions of everything in the future?
The cook used to love barbeque and eat a lot of greasy meat. Then he got a heart attack and his doctor told him to change his diet.
He went vegan and is making vegan versions of his favorite dishes and hasn't had a heart attack since.
GQ even gave a vegan burger its burger of the year award over meat burgers. It looks like vegan products are taking over
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>gq
>product placement: the magazine
Yes, just like how everything is full of söy
>It looks like vegan products are taking over
No, they aren't, but they will. 200-300 years from now.
>GQ even gave a vegan burger its burger of the year award over meat burgers.
This is entirely because they want to stay relevant to zoomers
I had an impossible burger, and I would say at best it was comparable. There is little flavor in the actual "meat", it's all spices that are thrown in. Veganism is a big time fucking meme.
Sugar is definetly not good for your heart
meat doesn't taste that good by itself desu. unseasoned meat is bland.
How was the impossible burger overall?
if you can cook properly, there is definitely flavor. Even in a hamburger.
The only thing wrong with the impossible burger was the flavor. It was very bland. But consistency and color was pretty much spot on. If you get one with condiments/cheese (i wanted to see how it actually tasted) you would not be able to tell at all.
I eat a lot of vegetarian food, but this obsession with mimicking meat dishes is just pathetic. No wonder most vegans are sickly and retarded, they also fall into traps like this and other ones like raw, gluten free, dairy free, etc. I almost feel bad for these people.
He just loves barbeque and wanted to enjoy the feeling of throwing some brisket on the grill without having another heart attack. hard to begrudge him that.
>Vegan products are taking over
>Most shops that stock the products lose money on them
Yeah sure dumbass
>he cant cook
>he uses shit meat
You can eat meat and be healthy, just don't eat like a ficking pig.
shoulda just made mung dal like a champion instead of a massive smoked onions patty.
There is a reason why vegans try so hard to make everything taste like meat. There's a reason behind there being a natural craving for it.
>too poor to buy decent meat
>too stupid to cook it properly
lmao
>beer
>extra sugar
Gotta make sure to avoid that unhealthy meat though.
Honestly looks good. Not even vegan, but I'd eat it.
However, that fucker didn't get a heart attack because of meat. If he doesn't stop eating all that sugar, he'd still get another one eating these fake meats. Inflammation is what causes heart attacks, not fat. Sugar is what causes inflammation. Doesn't help that it slows down circulation too. And vegans eat a fuckload of sugar.
You do know that meat causes inflammation right?
nutritionfacts.org
And plant foods like Jackfruit reduce inflammation. He should stay away from the beer and sugar but they're not as bad as the inflammation from meat.
>Veganism is a big time fucking meme
Increased life expectancy is a meme?
I thought this was a DinoTendies post at first. I think I'd rather eat one of his creations instead of this monstrosity.
>diet full of sugars and refined carbs
>no statistical link between saturated fat intake and heart attacks
>"""gonna go vegan"""
makes sense
>Then he got a heart attack
See, I don't have to worry about that because I'm not a fat gluttonous fuck
>nutritionfacts.org
I hope you realise this is an agenda led website, not actually a fact based website
>beer
>extra sugar
Kek
How many years? I wouldn't eat bland, pretend food for my entire life just to live another 6 months at the ripe age of 90.
>no one on this board probably even has a remote idea without sources what sugar does
hahahaha
I am the only one who feels like eating raw meat when eatig cherries? Wherever I eat cherrys I cant stop. I feel like I am caveman eating a big red piece of my hunted animal. Even the seeds feel like littles bones which by the way, I bite on purpose. Fuck, even thinkig about it makes my mouth all wet.
>all this sugar
The good thing about veganism is that they can't reproduce due to anti-nutrient infertility. The bad thing is that they can brainwash the young all the way till death.
>that hand
I thought vegan food was supposed to be healthier!
>fruit being smoked for 10+ hrs
>contains any natural fruit nutrition
Yes goy. Eat that extra sugar sauce but no no to the dangerous meat!
yes fruit charred to the point of being nearly chemically indistinguishable from cigarette smoke is definitely anti-inflammatory. great mental gymnastics.
Yeah. If you're questioning if there can be "good meat", splurge and get a dry aged ribeye or strip from Lobels. Look up what the "reverse sear" technique is or find someone that likes /ck/ to cook it.
The only taste that you get from meat is nothing else but the heme from blood.
If you can simply buy a product that has this heme in it, its gonna taste exactly like meat.
The protein doesnt taste at all.
>Believing this
This is a level of denial that has never before been seen. Fox and the grapes
based aesop poster
health.harvard.edu
I have a heart disease and one of the first things that the doctor said was that I had to consume less sugar. Replacing meat with added sugar is pure retardation. Lean meat is way healthier than consuming 200g of added sugar in one serving
>vegan products are taking over
>vegan products that are literally pretending to be meat are taking over
>vegan products that are literally pretending to be meat and are significantly more expensive than their meat counterparts are taking over
>vegan products that are literally pretending to be meat and are significantly more expensive than their meat counterparts and are judged positively for having meaty qualities are taking over
Why not just fucking eat meat at that point?
>giving yourself chronic anemia because you think it will increase your lifespan
>implying they don't all get vasectomies because they think humans are a plague on the planet
Yeah there is.
And that’s that animals are attracted to foods that are calorie dense, which meat is. Whether or not it’s good for you. This is the reason cheeseburgers are so satiating. This is the reason that there’s footage of guys feeding deer (herbivorous animals) meat.
By your logic, just because we’re naturally drawn to it means it’s good for us. Cool story bro. By that logic, pies, cakes, and big macs must all be good for us. Cool meme mate.
>eating something pretending to be meat, that you know isn't meat, thinking it's as good as meat and thinking there isn't anything wrong with what you're doing
Vegans really are the tranny-fuckers of the culinary world.
vegan meat is the new feminine penis, I see.
Big Lenny to go vegan when? Are omnivores the new cookie cutters?
>seitan, beer, extra sugar
>don't feel gross after eating it
But he really, really should.
Vegan, by definition, is dairy free. It's 85% of why they're complete retards.
>And plant foods like Jackfruit reduce inflammation.
Yeah, and I'm trying to GET swole here, you fool.
>By that logic, pies, cakes, and big macs must all be good for us
No, people only crave these things because of built up addictions. If these things were cut out of a person's diet for an extended period of time they would no longer want them. Meat is a different story. Vegans of 5+ years will still be chasing after the taste.
The body has ways of making you crave what it needs. Babies with sodium deficiencies will actively seek salty foods, and manbabies with B12 deficiencies will actively seek meaty-tasting foods.
> change your diet
> not eating meat anymore
> not eating lean meat with vegetables.
just eat like a normal human being, holy moly you don't have to go on a freak diet.
if you're gonna cook a hamburger, all you need is to brush it with mustard and then grill it, top it with a onion and a thick tomato slice, add 2 pickle chips and then toast the buns. I used to be a fat ass and used to make some really delicious sausage dogs, I would cook the sausages on my skillet, then use the oil from the sausages to toast the buns, creating a crunchy piping hot bun. try it if you ever have a cheat meal
I like vegetarian food too when ita actually made right. there's this place in north Hollywood called leonors, and holy shit they have the best fake chicken sandwich ever, its got vegan wheat buns which are baked fresh daily, the chicken vegan patty is golden brown and actually tastes delicous with hot mustard and topped with vegetarian cheese and topped with alfalfa. it is the best fake chicken sandwich I've ever had. Done right even vegan food is palatable.
I used to follow a heavy meat diet with some pasta. Like a kilo of chicken for one meal. Meat always tasted like nothing or very plain. It's not good, gotta add shit to it to make it enjoyable.
>if you aren't stuffing your fat face with meat, cholesterol and sfa then you MUST be eating bags of sugar
Meat niggers are some of the worst niggers around, right behind American Niggers and CIA niggers
Being vegan is a millenial thing, zoomers are carnivore chads
Waiting for lab grown meat to be comparable in price then I'll make a switcheroo. until then I eat carbs and vegetables featuring meat sides
>healthy vegan
>vegan
>healthy
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I know people shit on veganism, but seitan is fucking great
This is really another argument against veganism. The food is so lacking in calories (if we can even absorb it at all) and so little of each plant is edible that you would need absurd amounts of land to meet the same calorie requirement.
You some kind of retard? I'm not even vegan but, do you understand how the laws of thermodynamics work on a basic level? Energy cannot be created or destroyed. How exactly do cows/pigs/etc get to be so caloricly dense? Mostly by eating grains that need to be grown. And since they also undergo metabolic processes making it inherently unable to be anything other than less efficient.
>The food is so lacking in calories (if we can even absorb it at all)
>if we can even absorb it at all
>can even absorb it at all
Why is living longer the end all be all goal in most people's minds? After a certain age there's nothing to look forward to anymore anyway and most things that extend the duration of your life also lower the quality. I'd rather enjoy myself moderately and die when I'm 70 than tip toe around just so I can live to be 100 and can't wipe my own ass. Longevity is overrated.
We don't have to grow the feed for animals. And yes, there are indications that we might not actually be able to derive much nutrition at all from plant sources.
>We don't have to grow the feed for animals
There's a reason there's a distinction between grassfed beef and not. It's because cows that aren't grassfed are fed with grains. The vast majority of cows are fed with grains primarily. Why do you think cowcorn is called cowcorn? Even grass-fed beef requires land for that grass to grow on.
>And yes, there are indications that we might not actually be able to derive much nutrition at all from plant sources.
[citation needed]
yes
Have you considered that the land used to grow animal feed and meadows is too poor to grow other crops on? Grass and feed is really fucking low maintenance, bub.
jesus christ that sounds disgusting.
This. Most of the Earth's land is incapable of supporting agriculture of sufficient quality for human consumption. Sure, most people should eat less meat (and particularly cheap processed meat) but the idea that you could support the entire population on plant foods is so fallacious I can scarcely think how it got started.
I live in ground zero of this shit (Trendy part of Los Angeles) and while everyone I know has tried shit like the Impossible Burger, which is a very good alternative to a meat burger that still has nothing on the real thing, it isn't a "thing". People pretend to be into this shit a lot more than they actually are, hence the success of garbage restaurants like Gracias Madre.
The day they make meat substitutes taste 1:1 with meat and make it "cool" is the day meat dies.
yeah dude, pig, lamb, beef, deer it all tastes the same
I dont think it will ever be as cool as eating meat, especially if they keep trying to make meat replicate dishes. What the should do is try to make new and exciting dishes that the public has never seen before.
>offer "meat" which is good for you and has zero negative health outcomes
>thinks it needs to become "cool" to take off
Yeah nah. In the same way that you can pop an aspirin instead of having your head broken or blood drained, that will happen to meat. It's trash.
1) There is no essential amino acid, essential fatty acid, essential vitamin or mineral that is hard or expensive to get in a vegan diet. This means that there is no necessity to consume animal products.
>but what about x?
Google "vegan source of x"
2) Animals can subjectively experience reality (are sentient) and qualify as someone as opposed to something
3) Exploiting someone or taking their life constitutes harm.
4) Causing unnecessary harm is morally impermissible.
1, 2, 3, 4) => It is morally impermissible to not be vegan unless one is dealing with some weird rare disease that necessitates animal product consumption, or unless there are no other affordable and available options.
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>but there's no room to grow grains and legumes to feed everyone!
Actually, there is. What do you think livestock eat? It's way too inefficient to eat animals, since the average calorie conversion rate of livestock mass/feed is about 10%
>but some of those calories aren't human-edible!
That is true for some of those calories. Good news is that those non human-edible calories can be used to make biofuel, which, unlike crude oil products, is carbon neutral.
>what about grass fed?
Nowhere near enough land to cover demand, currently only 5% or less of worldwide livestock is grass fed and it's already expensive despite subsidies. Also, grass fed is still unethical to consume
>but vegans eat almonds/avocados that consume a lot of water/land to grow
Ok, go vegan and avoid almonds/avocados, they're hardly essential and they're expensive anyway
>but your computer/clothes?
i) unrelated to Jow Forumsness, health and diet but sure, buy from ethical sources. Making this post for animal rights doesn't mean I'm ignoring human rights.
ii) Doing some sort of harm (buying clothes from unethical workshops) doesn't mean it is morally permissible to do more harm (eat meat)
This thing looks like a burnt fucking tumor
>google "vegan source of vitamin d"
>first result is this healthline.com
LMAO
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Protip: you can eat actual brisket every once in a while and not risk heart attacks if your diet is balanced.
you cannot feasibly get 5000 IU of vitamin D from any animal product however much you try.
Nice try, (((meatcuck)))
Vegan here have never craved after the taste of meat.
Will vegans eat lab meat?
That's not true they regularly seem to crave cock.
sure, why not, as long as nobody has to die for it
Good rebuttal... ;)
>someone is googling the source of vitamin d in 2018
Go outside you stupid cunt. You get it from the sun.
Most likely not. If you're a health vegan then why the fuck would you eat the same cholesterol laden, SFA containing trash? If you're an ethical vegan the original meat sample had to come from an animal and thus it is the product of animal exploitation.
I get what you're saying but there is a big difference between taking a few cells from one animal to produce all future lab grown meat and slaughtering the entire animal for a few meals.
Not that I disagree that they would still chose not to.
>Not that I disagree that they would still chose not to.
Religious fanatic cultist vegans yes, reddit soiboi vegans maybe, practical consequentialist vegans no
I'm just giving you the correct response from an ethical vegan standpoint (despite not being an ethical vegan myself). What individuals choose to do is their business.
I know I won't be eating lab meat.
go to class marco
>being such a self-centred retard that you think you can pick out individual anonymous posters
KYS yourself you sad cunt
what does "can pick out individual anonymous posters" have to do with "self-centered"
>assume people replying to you on an international cartoon forum are people you personally know
>LOL HOW IS THAT SELF-CENTRED? xD
A brainlet too, it seems.
are you the retard mate, do cows only eat 3 meals a day with an average meal time of 20mins? no they fucking graze ALL DAY
The most cringe thing about vegans is that they think they're trying to work against the system, not realizing they're playing into their hands by becoming addicted to experimental supplements made in a chinese labs, eating literal slave and torture food while the actual elite is enjoying all the finest cuts of meat.
Smdh, at least most of you will turn infertile and won't pass on your genes to the next generation.
Please don't tell me you don't spice burger meat, meat alone is bland as fuck
>Yes goy, keep helping us schlomos by shilling our meat hehe
What experimental supplements am I supposedly addicted to?
Imitating the flavor of meat is easy as fuck, its the texture thats tricky
>healthy vegan
Does not compute
Stop. You're replying to a massive autismo. He will reply until the thread 404s while he spams the same general message, ignoring anything you have to say.
Too bad vegans fuck up their cholesterol levels, which screws up their ability to make 7-dhc
Why are you telling lies on the internet?
>google "vegan sources of vitamin b12"
>The only reliable vegan sources of B12 are foods fortified with B12 (including some plant milks, some onions products and some breakfast cereals) and B12 supplements.
>google "vegan sources of carnosine"
>no results
>google "vegan sources of heme iron"
>no results
>google "vegan sources of DHA"
>no results
>google "vegan sources of taurine"
>no results
only until the fad dies out and manufactures realise they jumped the gun and start pulling products due to lack of sales. all of the people who are vegan are sheltered muh fee fee people who don't live in the real world, they're deluding themselves about the realities of life.
Been vegetarian for almost 25 years. Zero interest in the taste of meat. Gross rubbery shit.