Are MGTOW Incels?

Not really. Women want to 'turn' MGTOWs. It's a challenge for them. They don't give a fuck about Incels outside if wishing they'd die.

I honestly thing MGTOW is actually a strategy for sub-Chads to get laid more easily. An intellectualized version of playing hard to get.

Original MGTOWs are divorcees, so by definition, no.

Voluntarily celebate

This

Exactly, I find most mgtow come from shitty relationships, theyve had their fill of women and want nothing to do with it anymore

>sub-Chads
what the fuck is this?

MGTOW has agency, incel is just victimhood

Next retarded question plebbit

>7/10 to 8/10 facial aesthetics
>Under 6'1"
>'average' sized penis

the definition is not wanting mariage/long term relationship
bigger percent of young westerners are mgtow than no