Should I try the Carnivore Diet?

Should I try the Carnivore Diet?

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Sure, there's nothing to lose by trying it for a while.

if you have an auto-immune disease like him, maybe

yes

even if you don't like it you're not going to die. if you feel like shit just stop and start eating carbs again, it's not all or nothing, you can stop if you want.

Enjoy your colon cancer

>MEAT
>SALT
>WATER

And he NEVER cheats

Been carnivore for 3 years.

Why?

I mean, it won't kill you, but I never understood why people would ever want to change their diets if there's nothing wrong with their current diet. For example, I don't want to change my diet because my diet is awesome. I hit my macros, I gain/lose weight exactly as I should and want, my shits are flawless and regular, and my bowels are relatively quiet.

>been retarded for 3 years
yikes

Oh yeah, and the food I eat is fucking delicious. So why change it?

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Enjoy your epidemiology

>being this much of a butthurt vegan faggot

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For health. Personally I had acne, joint pain, IBS and dry skin. I’m not carnivore but I eat mostly meat and animal products with a few veggies and fruit

No, it's retarded, and you're retarded for even considering adopting the wacky diet of a skelly old retard with zero athleticism.

how hard would you say your stool is?
do you take any supps?

Fair enough. I'd say you should go on an elimination diet. Just plain meat and veggies. That means NO PROCESSED MEAT, just regular meat. No frozen, no pre-fried, etc. Meat from the butcher, and veggies from the market, or perhaps fresh quick-frozen because those are A-OK.

Veggies won't hurt you. And then you can add new items to what you eat 1 at a time. Introduce 1 new thing a week, or bi-weekly.

lol start eating a raw probiotic and all of that will disappear. In fact, anyone who's ever complained about having intestinal issues needs to have done this for at least a month before getting themselves on some shitforbrain-tier diet.

How do you get around getting tired of eating the same meals? Assuming you're eating only ground beef, chicken etc every day

I’ve been eating probiotic supplements, yogurt and kimchi / sauerkraut for years. Turns out the carbs, refined carbs, vegetable oils and processed food was all pretty bad for me and I wasn’t able to heal. I might up my carbs in the future but will probably avoid grains. I don’t think carbs and especially grains work well with my body so I’ll probably stay low carb and grain free with real food.

this guy is the quintessential exemplar of a pseudointellectual and his moronic idea of what constitutes a balanced diet proves it. not much longer until he gets gout or kidney stones.

>Should I try ass cancer?
It’s your body, fuck it up how ever you like

Would be really interested to hear what its been like for you and what your most noticeable results have been.

everytime i open my youtube page, i am bombarded by videos of this guy. are people actually convinced of what this guy says and the ideas he espouses? watch the pangburn philosophy videos with sam harris to expose how poorly this guy thinks about issues. guy became famous for something that he wasn't even right about, namely the government requiring you to use a person's preferred gender pronoun or face with hate crime. the government bill doesn't even have those penalties. furthermore, his interview with cathy newman just gave this guy more exposure. all he had to do was just explain his position while the inept interviewer constantly mischaracterized what he actually believes. nothing ground breaking about what this guy is doing, but the pseudointellectual christians, who have no good arguments for their ridiculous religious claims, cling to this guy as a spokesperson for christianity being beneficial in the modern era. wish hitchens was still alive to intellectually demolish this charlatan.

Absolutely

>i have an autoimmune disease so that means i can't eat carrots
what a dumbass.

the carnivorous metaphysical substrate ontop of which meaning arises in reality is quite delectable. who cares about the billions of sentient creatures. i've got an autoimmune disease.

Most right wing public figures are retards.
It really hurts me as a right winger.
Its nowhere near as bad as left wing public figures but still, its fucking bad.

i only read the first sentence but it's showing on your youtube because you fell for the honeypot and watched a vid of his
just like how i was looking at a review of a phone which is kind of popular right now and now i have to deal with why i should or should not buy the new apple phone in every vid FUCKING CHRIST

>he thinks gout is cause by meat

Lol brainlet, go take some more of your pharma pills to stay alive

meat has some of the highest concentrations of purines. read the fucking purine chart for yourself. elevatehealthaz.com/wp-content/Purine Table.pdf

Of course you should try it, six weeks won't do irredeemable damage

it's not like his shit comes from theory, it's basically "i eat meat and feel good so i conjure all kinds of probable stories to try and make my choices, which helped me and inevitably be replicated by others, more scalable".

Well it's carnivore as opposed to regular western diet, meaning that in any case animals will die.

he's a scientist and he's convinced by first hand anecdotal evidence, not statistics aggregated from hundreds of thousands of people to figure out what is a balanced, nutritious diet. honestly, really says alot about his intellectual rigor

Except for your bodies ability to tolerate and potentially grow stronger from plant nutrients/"antinutrients"

Nutrition is a fraudulent field and no one should take results in it without a grain of salt.

t. Statistician

he is cautiously exploring it because it worked and he would love to have a strong "scientific" basis for it but it's unavailable right now. Why? Because it requires extremely rigorous dietary regime for six weeks. Like even a little bit of sauce can fuck everything up, at least in his version of doctrine. It's impossible to get a large amount of people to do that, this is why this shit will stay anecdotal until we can actually pinpoint all kinds of personal allergies in bloodwork or some shit.

Purine in food is only slightly responsible for serum Utica acid levels. Fructose is really what fucks things up.

Uric*

And I should mention that I developed gout on a standard American diet in my twenties at a healthy weight. I went on the carnivore diet and it eventually went away

He accidentally drank some apple juice once and didn't sleep for 23 days.

what's so bad about him?

i don't particularly find him revolutionary

He's appearing on Dr Oz today.

He's officially gone full quack shill.

see Physiologically our bodies are magnitudes of time better adapted to digest meat. For the past 2M years our calories intake consisted of 50% animal fat, 25% animal protein and 25% carbohydrates, for which a part came from glycogen stored in freshly killed animals. It's only been 20K years since we began actively consuming plants and starches because of agricultural pressure, not because of normal evolutionary pressure. Now guess what your body thinks is best.

>For the past 2M years our calories intake consisted of 50% animal fat, 25% animal protein and 25% carbohydrates
sauce

All animals absorb high fat diets

Gorrilas? Hindgut fermenters, from their colon extract about 60% of calories as saturated fatty acids.

Cows? Ruminants who produce as much as 70% of their diet as fat from eating grass. Ironically, feeding cows corn (high carb diet) leads to fattier meat, but grass fed (higher fat diet) leads to leaner meat.

Humans? Relative to our size we have small colons, almost non-existant cecum (aka the appendix) and can produce very little energy through fermentation. However, our brains are 7 times larger than animals our size, and 90% saturated fat. Vegans have lower average brain size than meat eaters, and since the agricultural revolution brains sizes have been decreasing

Almost bought a ticket to watch his tour earlier as it coming to my city. Cheapest tickets at the back are £60. Prime seats are £180. Fuck that. I've spent way less than that watching some of the biggest Rock acts of the past 20 years.

All he does these days is shill his book and tour. I'm growing weary of Peterson, I yearn for the days when he was just some unknown eccentric professor posting poor quality videos of his Jung and lobster lectures on Youtube.

We have reached Peterson saturation. His message is being lost due to his greed and celebrity status. Sad!

Joe "old science" Rogan
Joe "but what's wrong with what he said" Rogan

if your diet has a name something went wrong. personally i just ate 1kg of beef today, for dinner it was medium-rare. but for the first 6 months of this year I was vegetarian. this was a mistake but i learned from it. dont recommend narrowing yourself down to a group of foods because of their name. listen to your body

His ass.

That just shows that he's been covering up the symptoms of his problem while making the underlying condition worse.
FTR it vas cider vinegar

In the real world, if you look at the research of what our ancestors ate and not fantasies sold to you by "Paleo" quacks, our ancestors were eating grains and legumes that entire time. Roots might have made a larger contribution though. Overall, it was high-carb for the majority of humans except for some cherry-picked minorities.

When you eat foods with vitamin C colds get shorter, and when you avoid them you get scurvy. Guess what your body thinks is best.

Now you are bullshitting. Source for paleolithic men eating grains and legumes "that entire time"? I know their diets were carb heavy due to roots and fruit, but grains and legumes are sort of a stretch.

>getting colds

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Nope. Your shits will be unbelievably hard. This guy isn't even 100% carnivore. He eats vegetables on the side. He's basically using that label to portray himself as the predator he always fantasized about.

literally the opposite of that you moron, Carvinore is famous for, if anything, causing looser stools

meat has vitamin c retard

>eating grains and legumes that entire time
Maybe in a few cherry-picked minorities.
In certain areas where they grew naturally yes, but you have to assume that they were not available in the quantities supplied by farming until 100K years ago or so when people started doing this a bit more. I've seen aboriginals collect grass seed, grind it into a paste with water and make a bread with it. So there's no denying there was some things like this eaten, but an emu was also hunted, killed and cooked by the same 3 men in the same time it took them to collect, grind and make a handful sized piece of bread. You're also more often than not looking at seeds/grass seeds and not legumes/grains in earlier time periods. Examples are buckwheat and peas, which early humans would have encountered at the fertile crescent. I highly doubt they took the seeds and planted/raised them in locations where the plants did not grow naturally (until 100K years ago), especially the buckwheat example which is an incredibly weedy species and so would be found far more widespread outside of agriculture now.
Altered grains like corn and wheat, and virtually every fruit/vegetable grown commercially are several thousand years of selective breeding removed from wild types, usually with size the main selection. It would have taken far more effort 2M years ago to collect large amounts of calories from plant foods simply because of this.

>Roots might have made a larger contribution though
Probably some. But remember that potatoes and sweet potatoes existed only in south america until a few hundred years ago so it's roots being smaller less starchy edibles. And almost definitely not in vast quantities except, again, in cherry-picked (minorities).

>When you eat foods with vitamin C colds get shorter
And eating a handful of berries here and there, plus the vitamin c in meat is enough, why pretend you need to eat a majoruty of plants and high carb foods to get vitamin c

In nature humans would eat meat, berries, fruits, and obviously edible vegetables

they would not refine, grind, bleach and boil some grains for some carbohydrate

Watch and learn

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Carnivore is great, but please incorporate liver. It really makes a difference. You shoud also eat more fat than you just get from rib eyes alone. I know people say meat only is good enough, but for me, the added fat and liver really took this "diet" to the next level. I also take 3 tablespoons of cod liver oil a day

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would bang that thot in the middle tho

Yup. Brains, hearts, kidneys, tongues, pancreas, stomachs. All also packed with the good stuff. Offal is absolutely necessary to carnivore diets else you'll likely develop micronutrient deficiencies over time.

I would give you a let-me-google-that-for-you, but I doubt that you would read the results so here you go.
nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2015/09/11/ancient-oat-discovery-may-poke-more-holes-in-paleo-diet/
science.sciencemag.org/content/326/5960/1680
nature.com/articles/nature02734?error=cookies_not_supported&code=0e3f4ae3-0f52-40e3-97b9-19afa96982b1
archive.unews.utah.edu/news_releases/a-grassy-trend-in-human-ancestors-diets/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3619325/
humanorigins.si.edu/research/whats-hot-human-origins/neanderthals-ate-plants-too

Stay on topic, moron.

what's the best meat/fish to get magnesium from?

citation please

if you include offal in the category of meat then meat does have vitamin c. pic is the the vitamins and minerals in cooked beef spleen

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Steak has vitamin C too, it’s just in small amounts so they didn’t include it in the standard nutritional info

Not unless you have a medical reason to do so.

Omnivore is and has been the optimal diet for humans literally since we separated from other hominids and great apes.

Paleolithic men didn't eat 90%+ of the food you eat because things like oranges and broccoli didn't exist at all back then and the other foods we have in common, like other fruits, vegetables, even animals, were profoundly different then compared to now.

Following a "paleo" diet is literally a meme meant to sell books and products to brainlets.

>tfw no woolly mammoth kill to sustain your tribe for a month

there's no medical literature on any of the long term health consequences of only eating meat

Do you think the extent of the changes to animals versus plants is even remotely comparable?

How easy is it to take an orange and increase its size to have 1000x fructose. How about animals? And how have animal changed? Characterize it.

>thinks animals haven't changed through domestication
is this bait?

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>using Rogan as a source for not eating vegetables
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He literally calls carnivores "crazy"

This post is way more of a "qunitessential exemplar of a pseudointellectual".

Lmao why did you post a bison and a cow?

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it's even more retarded because humans themselves have changed. due to the massive shift to the farming of grains most of europe were practically vegetarians if not vegans for the vast majority of their lives with these diets only being broken for infrequent festivities. because of this it took less than 600 years for many european populations to evolve a genetic preference for plant sources of omega-3 fatty acids but these paleo diet nut jobs think that humans should be eating a 12,000 year old diet. not to mention that the large fat consumption that the diet promotes has very little historical backing for the vast amount of humanity

No. Again, characterize the change.

We know what happened to fruits. Farmers intentionally selected for larger and tastier fruit. This increased their fructose a shit ton and obviously has a dietary impact, see diabeetus.

HOW did animals change? WHAT changed? Sure, you can take a wild animal and make it more domesticated so that it allows you to kill it when the time comes, but how does this change it's meat? How does this have dietary relevance?

Also consider the fact that there's essentially no type of meat that humans can't eat. May be not terribly tasty, but will still provide nutrition.

>because of this it took less than 600 years for many european populations to evolve a genetic preference for plant sources of omega-3 fatty acids
Source

>should I take Advil
Idk, do you have a headache?

I'm not going to write a dissertation for Jow Forums to prove the differences.

Look at the nutritional differences between wild and farmed Salmon. Not only are farmed Salmon higher in fat and lower in protein, pound for pound, than their wild counterparts but the micronutrients are much different as well.

The difference is self evident.

why is he growing horns?

because he's insane and a Satanist

I thought we were talking about evolutionary changes from historical animals.

If you want to change the subject to current industrialized farming tactics I obviously don't support it.

But about the previous question, there's really no comparison to the dietary relevance of the evolutionary changes in plants vs. Animals. Plant species are being created in only a couple of hundred years and totally changing their nutritional composition. Animals may be getting fatter and more gentle for farming, but their meat is still fairly similar to the meat eaten from other animals (assuming a good farm).

this
wild salmon eat meat, farmed salmon eat grains
wild ruminants eat grass, domesticated ruminants eat grass, factory farmed ruminants eat grain

If there is a massive difference between something which only recently became farmable (first salmon farms were established in the 1960s) and their wild counterparts, what makes you think thousands of years of difference between domestic cattle and aurochs (their ancestor) or bison (their cousin) would be LESS?

The differences translate, to a greater or lesser extent, to every animal I've looked at: Cows/bison, pigs/boar, chickens/junglefowl, etc. Even if they eat their historic "natural" food, they have been so changed by artificial selection that they render the paleo meme moot.

Frank?

This is literally the only defense keto/carnivore fucktards have. You attack epidemiological studies that go against your cult diet then turn around and use epidemiology in extremely obscure scenarios to defend it.

>m-m-muh epidemiology is bad!
>Also Eskimos and the Maasai tribes!

>Chris Kresser
>literally practices acupuncture and "alternative medicine" post discarded.

>fruit
>causing diabetes

wew lad

Show me a single case of this happening in the history of humanity.

>Also consider the fact that there's essentially no type of meat that humans can't eat.
Eat one of these guys and report back.

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