Low Carb vs Low Fat

Fat is essential, carbs are not.

Low calories

For weight loss, high fiber/high protein seems to be optimal as it maximizes satiety.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924224414002386

As long as you're at a calorie deficit, you should still lose weight. You'll just be miserable as you're not satiated.

Anecdotally, doing 45% protein, 20% net carbs, 35% fat has worked for me.

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+1 for low carb

too lazy to cite,

fat isn't the problem, sugar is
sugar is the first fuel source the body burns before burning fat, you'll have to empty your sugar reserves before you can start losing fat + inhibit the other hormones that stall fat loss
lowering carbs also lowers water intake

What the fuck

the only situation where maximizing satiety is required is treating morbid obesity in sedentary people.
>45% protein
holy shit
>citation needed
Well here is a very good anecdote showing how carbs can impact one's body composition and appearance for the worse.

highachieverdiet.com/my-body-after-2-weeks-of-increased-carb-intake/

This is probably gonna be taken as some heavy broscience but my understanding has been that in the wild, carbs are more of a luxury for humans. As in some fruits here and there, weeks eating mainly meats and then sometimes we’d have our nuts/fruits/veggies if we stumbled upon them and that’s how we evolved to eat. That the animal fat was what we’re supposed to get energy from, but supplemental carbs were a bit of a treat so to speak. Like if we were nomadic and traveling we’d mainly eat animals we hunted. So while cutting I’ve always eaten high fat and eaten as little carbs as I can while still feeling okay (approximately 100g carbs on most days, a little more if I’m doin cardio). I also feel best with high fats. I’ve done this and shed 110 pounds, and lowered my cholesterol from super unhealthy range down into what my doctor at the time said was near perfect. I’ve also bulked up with higher fats and moderate-high carbs and because I kept active and watched what kinds of fat and carbs I was eating my cholesterol only went up by like 10 points from those near perfect levels after a year of bulking like that. I am convinced bad cholesterol is mainly caused by high carb, high fat, and a sedentary lifestyle.

Tl;Dr:
>don’t be a berry picker eat high fat/ mod protein, and low-moderate carbs, stay active do atleast 3 days of cardio in addition to lifting you will be fine.

>the only situation where maximizing satiety is required is treating morbid obesity in sedentary people.
That's why I mentioned weight loss. If you eat less calories than you burn, you'll lose weight. But having satiety maximized will make it a lot easier when you're eating at a deficit. You won't be as miserable and hungry all the time.

>holy shit
I'm eating 1500kcal so 45% is only about 169g per day. Not that much, when you think about it.

>anecdote
The same results could be seen if he was cutting/adding water weight before/after a show. Without doing a dexa (or similar) scan before and after, going based on how he looks is kinda pointless.

Anyone ITT who says carbs are bad for you, post body

Man I realize I might look like a keto shill but I am just being honest, I look way worse on carbs than I do on fats and lots of water, and I am the only person I know that experiences this for some weird reason, it's like my nipples get pudgy and I lose all muscle tone all over my body.

Dexa scans aren't foolproof but yeah they are useful, the guy who made that 2 week experiment claims to have been counting calories the whole time, I believe him.
If someone looks worse on a specific diet, why follow it?

>in the wild, carbs are more of a luxury for humans
It depends on where the humans live. In the arctic, they are a luxury. In southern Africa, they're a staple.

Humans are evolved to be omnivores, not strict carnivores or herbivores.

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>Low Carb vs Low Fat
what the fuck does it matter if it works?

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IF anything this shows that fish and nuts/seeds are a really big component of the diet in modern but also possibly ancient hunter gatherer populations, which is interesting because only those contain essential fatty acids in ample ammounts, makes sense when you think about it.
Nuts and seeds are usually mostly fat and protein and fiber, with few exceptions.

I have a couple issues with it:
1) If he's healthier (better nutrition, blood results, etc) eating the carbs vs carb restricting, that's a big deal
2) He's conflating looking better/worse with being healthier/unhealthier. Especially when it's a minor change
3) He's using anecdotal evidence (N=1) to justify advocating a specific diet to EVERYBODY.
4) He mentions blood tests, but never posted them. I'm guessing they refuted or didn't support his statements about higher carbs being bad for you.

45/20/35 works for me. It may not work for everybody and people should find out what works for them. In general, I think 1:1:1 is a good starting point and then experimenting with what makes you feel/look better.

sure, I can agree to that. However, the fruit we have today is vastly different than the fruit we had even 100 years ago. There is way too much sugar even in the fruit. carbs would be fine otherwise.

Eating high energy foods like rice and fruit vs eating a pile of grease hm I wonder what’s better for you

Having full muscles from glycogen vs having to slam down coffees just to function

>hurr fat is essential
Ok show me the hospital ward for all thr people with a fat deficiency

I understand that looking better =\= being healthier, but there are reasons to believe that low carb diets can be very healthy, specially if they're not based on fatty meats but on nuts and seeds and fish instead.
I understand it's anecdotal, but this hasn't been studied much.
His blood tests are probably not that great, but they don't have to be bad, depends on the overall diet of the individual, not just the macronutrient ratios of their diet.

I remember suffering from itchy dry skin on very low fat diets but losing the most fat during that period and getting really lean, the problem is that I could only see my results every morning before eating, everytime I ate some carbs I got pudgier and puffier for some weird reason and I hate it.

I can handle eating a good chunk of carbs if it's around bedtime, in fact I might give that a try to see how I respond.

Rice and fruit are vastly superior to grease or lard and butter, not even comparable since rice and fruit have amino acids, anti oxidants, phytonutrients, fiber, minerals and vitamisn in ample ammounts.
I think a better comparison would be fruits vs nuts, or rice vs seeds.

>everytime I ate some carbs I got pudgier and puffier for some weird reason and I hate it.
Carbs cause water retention. Especially carbs with high sodium.

the tldr of choosing a diet should be
>don't go to extremes
but every shill wants to push their low carb/low fat/snake diet/whatever garbage because low IQ brainlets will jump from fad to fad when their previous diet fails them.

I eat very little sodium, most carbs I eat are from fruits.
And yeah I think it's related to water retention, but I don't get any issues when eating salty stuff and drinking water at all, it just happens when I have a meal with a significant ammount of carbs, idk why it happens.

In fact its not dyel faggot

>don't go to extremes
Modern diet IS extremes comparing to what humans ate for the last 300000 years before that. Getting the majority of your calories from grain is a very recent development.

>This is probably gonna be taken as some heavy broscience but my understanding has been that in the wild, carbs are more of a luxury for humans. As in some fruits here and there, weeks eating mainly meats and then sometimes we’d have our nuts/fruits/veggies if we stumbled upon them and that’s how we evolved to eat.

Yep, that is some heavy ass broscience indeed.

Humans were mostly gatherers. For obvious reasons too; plants don't flee or fight back. You don't need to spend much effort to "stumble" upon edible plants; they are pretty common in the wild if you know where to look. Carbs were our main source of energy, and it mostly came from starchy roots. Present-day hunter gatherers eat a fuckton of them.

And most importantly, much of the meat our ancestors ate was rodent or reptile meat. So good luck replicating that.

It makes zero difference. Sugars are fine when they come from fruit. Fruit consumption is in no study associated with any negative health outcome. In fact it is correlated with longevity. Especially if you are lifting, sugars will be great for you since they give you quick energy boosts for workouts.

Either way, the animals we have now are even more different than the animals we frequently hunted. They are much fattier. Wild game tends to be very lean.

ok if u eat 5 calories of sugar and 0 fat then burn 5 calories the net is 0

if u eat 5 calories of fat and 0 calories of sugat then burn 5 the net is 0

if you eat 5 of sugar and 5 of fat then burn 10 the net is still 0

what is the point of this autistic “sugar is burned first” meme and if yoy faggots are so interested im biochemistry why not come to lecture with me its not that hard

>Modern diet IS extremes

This is true. The Amerifat diet is absolute horseshit. Trying to concoct a diet by changing bits and pieces of the Amerifat diet as though it has basically any merit to it is stupid ass shit.

Assuming a diet must be bad or extreme and not something to do because it's different than what bese beetus burgers do is wrong.

Well again it depends on what you consider "modern diet". If you are talking the standard American/Western diet, then yeah it's pretty extreme.

The huge increase in obesity over the last 40 years has been from a huge increase in added fats (cooking and salad oils), not so much from grains.
Source: ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-availability-per-capita-data-system/loss-adjusted-food-availability-documentation/

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Assuming you're getting all your micros, I postulate the following:

Low carb high saturated fat for cutting
>saturated fat triggers mitochondrial reverse electron transport most efficiently, leading to physiological insulin resistance sooner, and thus reduced hunger starting at the cellular level
>insulin blunts lipolysis. Reduced carb intake reduces insulin area under the curve, meaning more efficient lipolysis
>less thermic effect, but easier to just eat fewer calories (same calories as higher carb less thermic effect)

High carb low sat fat for bulking
>more insulin area under the curve. insulin is anabolic.
>MUFA and PUFA are not stored as readily & don't trigger RET as efficiently, allowing you to eat more and not get as full
>saturated glycogen stores as well as circulating glucose for peak performance

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high carb clearly doesn't work for americans so by process of elimination we can determine that high fat is the best (of the two)

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hell no. Actual proper hunters in hunter gatherer communities(and this is true wherever you go) know how to select the fattiest animal of the herd to hunt, because it is the fat that is important to them, not the meat.
> Sugars are fine when they come from fruit.
I don't even know where to start with this.

it's liteerally all from cereal and SEED oil. Seed oil is not good for you, especially not when you are cooking with it. I don't think there is any keto person that advises you to eat seed oils. That's like me saying highcarb is bad because eating tons of sugar is bad and sugar is a carb.

It's amusing speculation but that's all the weight I'd put on it.

I eat 2 pounds of peaches and strawberries daily. Post up faggot

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Found the American

pls be bait

These baseless, fucktarded stupid claims. Kys

My diet consists of chicken breasts, spinach, tomato, lettuce, red meat and I eat one fruit everyday. And once a week two boiled eggs. How am I doing bros?

Who cares just make protein outweigh everything.

your skin is so smooth, like wtf
how does a male get so smooth skin if theres at least one ball to pump some test into his blood

do you fucking retards even know why they would hunt fattest animal?

Do you really think its because they believed fat was healthy/good?

Or it was simply because they didnt live in an abundance of food like we do now so they just had to eat whatever they could, and fatter animal could feed the most people not because they gave a shit about fat or meat, fucking autist.

you feel full longer on high fat than high carbs, so for a calorie deficit diet, high fat is better

obesity comes from both oils and sugars

both are wrong, you need fat in your diet but you don't need carbs. The body needs certain essential fats to function properly but there is no such thing as an essential carb.

CAN ANYONE FUCKING ANSWER ME??

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Added sugars increased by 34.47 calories between 1970 and 2010. That's only 7.6% of the total calorie change.

Added fats increased by 228.97 calories between 1970 and 2010. That's 50.71% of the total calorie change. Cutting added fats to 1970 levels would reduce total calorie intake by 9.2% and most American men would lose weight.

eat less red meat and more fish/chicken and you'll be fine

I thought it was manly to eat red meat

my diet is similar, losing weight and feeling good

What makes you think that?

Jow Forums

i'm eating at a caloric restriction of -500, losing 1-2 lbs a week. I'm still getting plenty of protein from whey, but i'm mostly consuming frozen meals (trader joes shit like burritos, pizza, those indian things) instead of fresh meats and veggies.

what difference would I see if I eat fresh cooked food rather than processed/frozen?

Why would you care what Jow Forums thinks? Do what makes you feel better and is healthier.

>what difference would I see if I eat fresh cooked food rather than processed/frozen?
It'll be cheaper and you can eat more of it, especially veggies.

less preservatives and other chemicals

better nutrition overall, especially micronutrients

kek. This shit made me laugh so hard.

sucrose/fructose != glucose

low fat is the way to go

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Why do you niggers want me to stop eating my delicious fruit?

It's all the fruit :o

Even the fattest animal in a wild herd is going to be leaner than the livestock we have today you moron. Boars are much leaner than pigs. Mouflons are leaner than sheep. And aurochs were most likely leaner than cattle. Because they are wild fucking animals, you retard.

>I don't even know where to start with this.

Do attempt.

And post body.

Yeah man cavemen hunted dinosaurs and shit, my fav YouTube celebrity told me.

High carb, low fat some protein is best for endurance.
Trust me, you don't want to run out of carbs 2 hours in your cardio routine.

hahaha africanonboatlaughing.gif

You look bloated m8

Cut everything out except the red meat

No, I don't want to be a loser

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