Carnivore blogpost

Triggered much?
You have no evidence that you have lower levels of inflammation, 0, lots of people use that term but have no idea how to measure it and many times also no idea what it actually means.
Do you have any blood tests that indicate that you are a male with testicles? Judging by your angry bitter response I would guess you don't need any.
Sinus issues and hip pain are caused by many things but by far the most common are related to physical exercise, allergies and intolerances to certain foods, not just "inflammation", and placebo can cause both of those.

Ah yes,I'm the triggered one, not you entering a thread and sperging out over a misused word

> Start carnivore diet
> Develop scurvy

Help

>Eating only meat
We are omnivores,we need veggies and fruits,plus meat.Anyone who limits his diet on purpose is a dumb nigger.

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>1) Weight loss is mostly due to the fact you can't eat enough calories

nonsense, you can absolutely eat enough calories. people have and do maintain and gain weight by eating too much fat with this way of eating. hunger comes back eventually, it's only initially that the reduction in hunger occurs.

>2) Ketosis is fine but there is a constant lack of burst energy in the gym that has seen my lifts decrease

2 months and you're not even out of the adaptation period yet, it takes at least 3 months for some people to see increased energy, sometimes even longer

>3) Overall I feel pretty good but my body has been craving food (especially fruits) the whole time

cravings subside after the adaptation, it's also a matter of personal will. if you're weak willed you're going to fail at any diet that goes against the habitual norm you've been used to, again 2 months is a short period of time to break a lifetime of habitual eating behaviours and cravings.

> 4) Issues like inflammation have decreased, which i suspect relates to reduction in simple carbs and sugar

partially. ketosis has anti-inflammatory properties that are unrelated to diet. HGH for example which is increased when in ketosis has been shown to reduce inflammation markers.

>you can absolutely eat enough calories

I could not

>2 months and you're not even out of the adaptation period yet

I meant that to mean I've done ketosis before, I'm fine with keto

>it's also a matter of personal will

Sure, I was strict for 2 months but just didn't want to continue because I felt better previously

>HGH for example which is increased when in ketosis has been shown to reduce inflammation markers.

Didn't know this, interesting.

For the record, my thread is not me pretending to be an expert or saying what is right or wrong, it's just me telling my experience. Hence blogppost

we don't need vegetables and fruits at all. you're talking nonsense that has been brainwashed into your head since a young age and you've never questioned it, you've just accepted it as the truth. everything can be obtained from animals, protein and fat from meat and micro nutrients from organs, carbs are non-essential in our diet.

how do you think our ancestors survived winters and ice ages pre- agriculture? extreme winters when no edible plants would have survived? a lot of the vegetables and fruits you see in the supermarket don't even exist in the wild, they have been selectively bred into existence, so even if our ancestors did eat plants they would have been nothing like what we know as fruits and vegetables today and they also wouldn't have eaten them in any significant quantities and they would have eaten them sporadically as they came across them, not on demand 24/7.

You posted the blog, you got upset at a legit perfectly valid question, not my fault.
It's not just a misused word, it is very important to make it clear if you actually that you lowered your levels of inflammation during your diet experiment.

I agree. Great video breaks this all down.
Europe was covered in ice for a million years. we only ate meat and nothing else.
Corpolite (Fossilized shit) from humans show ZERO plant material before 50,000 years ago. Not one shows seeds or fiber.

Dr. Barry Groves / Homo Carnivorus: What We Are Designed to Eat / Carnivore Diet / Ketogenic Diet
youtube.com/watch?v=X2qdyKxU0YU

Neanderthal ate meat since,only hard roots survived under ground and we couldn't eat those.
But Homo sapiens(out ancestor) was in Africa,and he ate fruits,the neanderthal could also eat fruits and veggies if they were available.People in the south,balkans for example,ate fruit,veggies,and had bee farms,also cattle.
Your environment is a factor in what you eat.
Kill yourself you brain dead nigger,why did OP post a picture of meat with veggies in it?We need fat,sugar,and salt.You cant get sugar without plants.
Also,have you heard of grains?Have you heard of potatoes?
Dumb bitch,you are an omnivore and you will eat whats available to you.Don't tell me you don't crave apple or a potato.
Jesus Christ kys.
Eating meat is only one way to survive,why the fuck do you think we started farming?
Dumb nigger.

>literal pseudo science

hm

You aren't a real neanderthal or a homo sapiens you dumbass.Neanderthals are at best 4-6% of our DNA,while homo sapiens is the rest.We can eat meat and live,so we can with plants and fruits,but in order to be healthy you need a diet that has animal fats,salt,and sugar.Why the fuck did you think we started farming?Because it supplied us with those nutrients and calories without much work.
People have had bee farms since the earliest civilizations.If you think we are carnivores you are a brain dead nigger.
KYS.

>I meant that to mean I've done ketosis before, I'm fine with keto

there is a secondary adaption phase from keto to carnivore, if you read experience reports there are people that have been on keto for years and they still suffer another adaption phase.

>months and months of adaptation required
>"It's our natural diet guys!!"

How do Ketards deal with the fact that one bad meal fucks them out of ketosis, it's almost like being fueled by glucose and glycogen is the bodies preferred state

Dr. Barry Groves PHD in Nutritional Science of Oxfordshire was a pure Carnivore from 1962 until 2013 (51 years).
In 1982 at 46 years old, Barry took up archery. He was a British Champion every year from 1987 to 2008 taking over 20 British Records in Target, Clout and Flight archery. He is also a six times World Champion with five World Records.
At 71 years old he fired an arrow 857 yards (a half a mile)
justmeat.co/docs/homo-carnivorus-barry-groves-md.pdf
He won the only award in the world at Oxford for Food History (the Sofie Coe Award). I'll take his opinion over yours.

If we were carnivores we would hunt pretty much every animal to extinction,and we would die with it.
I bet you season your meat don't you.

>>not a Homo Sapien...
People have been farming for no more than 10,000 years in Sumeria. Farming wasn't world wide for maybe 3,000 years.
The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. Ice covered ALL of Europe. Tell me what farming they were doing before that ??

Nah, all the chinks and nigs would die off of starvation and the strongest would survive. Then we would turn Africa into the worlds biggest hunting ground. And India will be the worlds biggest cow farm.

If we were carnivores why the hell would we need to farm?

>If we were carnivores we would hunt pretty much every animal to extinction,and we would die with it.
I'll take what is animal husbandry for 100 Alex.

>If we were carnivores why the hell would we need to farm?
If we can walk why do we need bicycles ?

But I was talking about our ancestors,when they were chuckling spears.They didn't domesticate shit.
So by that time,we would kill most animals.
You season your meat,don't lie.You are no carnivore.

But carnivores eat only meat,if we farm for frutis and veggies it means we are not carnivores.
Being an omnivore is more efficient for us than being an carnivore.

>But I was talking about our ancestors,when they were chuckling spears.They didn't domesticate shit.
So they didn't kill all the animal because they were nomadic. That's why we don't find remains of cities from Paleolithic times.
So what exactly is your argument. If they didn't eat meat, then what did they eat ?
Sorry the science doesn't bare out your hypothesis. There weren't areas in Europe to grow crops.

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Neanderthal remains have been found with only plant matter in their teeth, and 0 animal matter.
Plant based diets were a thing in most of southern europe during the paleolithic, in both homo sapiens and homo neanderthals.

The more you know.
Now fuck off carnivore retards.

My argument was that they are not carnivores.
You dumb nigger,I never said they didn't eat meat.
I am saying humans are not carnivores,and being on a carnivore diet is retarded.
I hope you at least cook your meat.

because carbohydrates are not food humans should consume, at least in any significant quantities, so we would never be kicked out of ketosis if we only ate our natural diet of meat. and if we did happen to come across some wild berries or something then it would only be a very small amount of carbs that would be used up very quickly. being keto adapted also allows you to switch between fat and glycogen much more efficiently than not being fat adapted at all. metabolic flexibility allows small amount of carbohydrates to be utilised and fat to be utilised for the majority of the rest of the time.

>But carnivores eat only meat,if we farm for frutis and veggies it means we are not carnivores.
There was not farming bfore 10,000 years ago.
It wasn't world wide until 3,000 years ago and there are still areas where people are hunter gathers and they will pick meat over plants everytime.
On top of that it took many thousands of years to change fruits and vegetables into things we could actually eat.
Almost all cuniferous vegetables come from modifying of the mustard plant. Bananas were 90% seeds. Apples were undigestbale until the where completely ripe which happened in the lastest part of autumn. You couldn't eat them the majority of the year.

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>I am saying humans are not carnivores,and being on a carnivore diet is retarded.

subjective opinion.

it's my opinion that you are a retard for eating fruits, vegetables and grains....
now what retard?

So be specific. What plants made up the majority of our diet ?
What % of our diet was carniverous. What % was Vegetarian ?

The reason we farm,is because we need to food.If we didn't need the nutrients of the plants,we wouldn't farm it.
Farming happened most likely by humans seeing seeds falling to the ground,and eventually over time something grew.
If we were carnivores we would have no need to plant vegetables or fruits.Also,humans ate what was available to them.Niggers from the north would eat different food that people near the Balkan.
How can you be this retarded,Jesus Christ.

I don't know,omnivore animals eat whatever is available at them.You need to check where the Humans lived and what food was available.

carnifags are worse than vegans

There is a mountain of evidence showing the benefits of eating plants. There is WAY more evidence supporting cutting out animal products than there are cutting out plants altogether. At least vegans have that going for them.

So let's be specific. You keep dodging this.
What specifically did they eat and don't just say fruits and verges.
Which Fruits ? Which veggies ?
We have been Home Sapiens for a minimum of 300,000 and only have had agriculture for around 3,000. We have millions of fossilized shit from Cave men. They don't show seeds or fiber in them.. So science disagrees with your premise of how we evolved nutritionally.

Stop getting your opinions from youtube

All evidence in nutrition is shit. If you study nutrition, you probably will be learning material that will be overturned or contradicted in a decade. Just eat what makes you feel and perform the best.

Okinawans ate sweet potatoes and pork

sounds like a good diet to me

I don't need to .I posted a video answering just that question. You didn't watch it.

>Implying alpha carnivores give a fuck what limp dick science majors think

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That's really your argument?

>All evidence in nutrition is shit

Heh, sure, I'd say that too if the data disagreed with me

Okinawans used to eat mostly plants with a bit of fish. Now that they're eating more pork they're developing western chronic diseases.

You say science disagrees with me,but you are the one who claims we eat only meat.
Nigger,you are a subhuman trash,I will give you one example,the bear can eat fruits,veggies,and meat,if it has no meat around it it will eat hard roots of plants etc.
Humans are omnivores,just like the bear,they eat whatever is available to them.
Science says that we are omnivores.Neanderthals also lived in the middle east and near Asia too,it wasn't as cold as Europe in any of these places.
This shit is learned in 1st grade,holy shit.
People ate what was available to them,cause they were omnivores.

wrong

>The traditional diet of the islanders contains 30% green and yellow vegetables. Although the traditional Japanese diet usually includes large quantities of rice, the traditional Okinawa diet consists of smaller quantities of rice; instead the staple is the purple-fleshed Okinawan sweet potato. The Okinawan diet has only 30% of the sugar and 15% of the grains of the average Japanese dietary intake.[4]

>The quantity of pork consumption per person a year in Okinawa is larger than that of the Japanese national average. For example, the quantity of pork consumption per person a year in Okinawa in 1979 was 7.9 kg (17 lb) which exceeded by about 50% that of the Japanese national average.[6] The pig's feet, ears, and stomach are considered healthy everyday foodstuffs. Pork is an integral part of Okinawan longevity food.[7]

Couldn't be the sugar and pre-processed grain they are eating as well. Not the twix bars, it's the pork.

>1979

sorry, not traditional. This is decades after the war after they rebuilt and were introduced to western diets. Pork has nothing to do with the longevity the native people used to have.

brain is fat
meat is fat
meat give big brain

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post the whole article buddy

>The dietary intake of Okinawans compared to other Japanese circa 1950 shows that Okinawans consumed: fewer total calories (1785 vs. 2068), less polyunsaturated fat (4.8% of calories vs. 8%), less rice (154g vs. 328g), significantly less wheat, barley and other grains (38g vs. 153g), less sugars (3g vs. 8g), more legumes (71g vs. 55g), significantly less fish (15g vs. 62g), significantly less meat and poultry (3g vs. 11g), less eggs (1g vs. 7g), less dairy (

I'd hopefully continue saying it regardless, since it's all EPIDEMIOLOGICAL which should NEVER be used to jump to causal relationships.

I really don't understand this "eating meat gave us our big brains" meme. What about all the other animals that have been eating meat for hundreds of thousands of years?

No one is disagreeing that humans ate some berries and fruit when they bloomed which happened in very short windows at the end of the fall seasons.
They however competed with every other animal to eat them. Now most of the animals couldn't eat those fruits unripened where we could only eat them rippened.
Now imagine a singla apple tree.
It was a crab apple and very very sour.
It has maybe 100 small apples. All sort of apples could eat them in August. We couldn't eat them until September. How many apples were left when we got to this one single tree ? There weren't groves of apples. So we got a couple crab apples a year MAYBE...
After the Ice age..

So go on and tell me specifically a vegetable that we ate, not a tuber, a vegetable...

>The traditional Okinawan diet as described above was widely practiced on the islands until about the 1960s. Since then, dietary practices have been shifting towards Western and Japanese patterns, with fat intake rising from about 6% to 27% of total caloric intake and the sweet potato being supplanted with rice and bread.[9] This shifting trend has also coincided with a decrease in longevity, where Okinawans now have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese average.[10]

ack auto correct not working.
Animals COULD eat unripened fruits.
SINGLE apple tree
All sorts of ANIMALS could eat them in August.

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meatcucks literally BTLFO

Reminder that eating one amla is superior to any meat trash

>No one is disagreeing that humans ate some berries and fruit when they bloomed which happened in very short windows at the end of the fall seasons.
Then you are not a real carnivore.If you were one,you wouldn't need to eat fruits.You are a subhuman trash,you are trying to say that humans at one point in time had most of their diet made out of meat,this is true,but this doesn't make us carnivores.Why?Because when fruits sprung up,we eat them,we came from apes,apes lived on trees,and ate fruits.We never lost this trait.Humans are omnivores,everything you said they did,makes em omnivore.
>An omnivore is a kind of animal that eats either other animals or plants. Some omnivores will hunt and eat their food, like carnivores, eating herbivores and other omnivores. Some others are scavengers and will eat dead matter. ... They can eat fruits and vegetables, though.
This is us.
Kill yourself nigger.
Also,at one point in our ancestry we ate mostly fruits and nuts,but,that's besides the point.

bivalve vegan master race here

come at me

Jesus Christ, why are vegans so insufferable

because muh animals

>we need grains
We literally dont

Oats have insanely good macros and micros tho

The only reason they ate fruits was because they were famished. You think they would pick and apple once a year over a steak ?
Do you understand that a carnivore means a MOSTLY meat diet ? A Herbivore means a mostly plant diet ? Do you know that cows eat bird eggs or dead animals in the field ? Lions eat plant material in the gut of the animals they kill. Chimps hunt monkies to near extinction.
Eating an apple once a season and some berries doesn't make you an omnivore.

Look this is easy.
What is an essential carbohydrate for a cow ?
Grass right ?
Now name an essential carbohydrate for a human.

>Also,at one point in our ancestry we ate mostly fruits and nuts,but,that's besides the point
Bullshit, please elaborate. We never ate mostly plants ever.

Most people survived on some grains in the past.
Irish farmers for example.

You know Carnivore is a fad when youtubers like Thomas Delauer, Eric Berg, etc. are hopping on the carnivore bandwaggon despite definitely disagreeing with it previously

>Evolution started in 1850 the post

>evolution stopped at the end of the last ice age

Yet carbs are your body's preferred fuel source. Ketones only come into play after glycogen stores are used up and you go into a fasted state.

Fasting is the true state of ketosis, not your bullshit fake mimic diet because you're too big of a pussy to fast for a few days.

and what did we eat one day before that ?

I love onions and garlic; can I eat it on this diet?

>Bullshit, please elaborate. We never ate mostly plants ever.
We were apes on the trees at one point,we ate mostly fruits,and some insects.
>You think they would pick and apple once a year over a steak ?
If you weren't a braindead moron,you would know that humans would eat both of them,simply because of scarcity.If you were a hunter,and you saw a fruit,you would grab it and eat it.If our ancestors had a choice to pick food,they would pick both of those foods you mentioned.
Please tell me,what meat gives you sugar?Or salt.
You can live your whole life on bread,or meat,or carrots,this doesn't mean you are a rabbit,or a carnivore.

There are modern societies that are MOSTLY plant based. It seems to be that the societies that eat the fewest amount of animal products live the longest with the fewest number of chronic diseases.

No, they're literally poison despite garlic being an extremely potent anti-carcinogen.

Carbs are turned into fatty acids.
In Cows, in Apes, in Humans.
All animals use around 80% fat to function. How they obtain that fat is either through direct consumption of fat or bacteria creating fatty acids in thier gut.
So no our bodies don't prefer carbs.. that's bullshit

Your brain on the carnivore diet, folks.

This time last year the only literal retards we had to deal with were vegans. Now we have fucking carnivores as well. Good grief

Americans must be banned from here
Sage

I just saw this comment browsing and had to say something.

We don't have the same structure as a cow or ape, and saying we need a lot of carbs to survive is crap. Having a carb free diet is absolutely possible and healthy. You're an idiot.

Have a good day though.

Vegans have actual scientific evidence to support their position. Carnivores don't. This garbage is a thousand times worse than vegans.

>This diet is so healthy that I need special supplements not to shit myself and get scurvy.

My almonds are activated. I'd give you guys some but you can't eat almonds.

Humans can ferment fiber into fat too buddy... not as much, but still very possible

Eat your fucking vegetables

>We were apes on the trees at one point,we ate mostly fruits,and some insects.
There are apes that eat 100% carnivore...
That's speculation on your part. Do you have scientific proof that at one time our direct ancestors ate 100% vegetables and fruits ? Which fruits ? Which vegetables ? Most didn't exist until 2000 years ago and the VASt majority until the 1800s.

>If you were a hunter and saw a fruit, you would grab and eat it.
Do you understand what seasons are ? Are you under the delusion that fruit grows all year round because you can by irradiated 3 year old apples in your grocery store ?

>You can live you whole life on bread etc...
Oh which convenience store diet cave man pick that up at ?

FASTING is healthy. Carbs aren't unhealthy at all.

10vegans vs. 10 carnivores in a cage match. Who wins?

That answers this debate.

>TL;DR: OP is an absolute berry picker

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That comment was in response to someone saying that human bodies prefer carbs of fat and protein.

"carbs are your body's preferred fuel source"

Which is bullshit. All animals use fat as thier main source of energy. How that fat is obtained is different. We aren't ruminents so we do better obtaining our fats directly.

The Diaz brothers are vegan.

If vegan means being accurate when discussing scientific facts, count me in.
Only uneducated chimpanzees present their opinion as medical facts and get triggered when someone ask for accuracy.

>There are apes that eat 100% carnivore...
As in?

Carbs are your body's preferred fuel source. Your body goes out of ketosis when you consume carbs. You understand this, right? Ketosis is a backup, fasted state.

Name an essential carbohydrate