What happens when we die?

What does Jow Forums think is the most probable theory for what happens when we die? Is quantum immortality true, does our last second of life stretch out to eternity so we subjectively experience it forever, is reincarnation true, or does our consciousness just cease to exist?
>inb4 christcucks

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You know when you sleep it's like you don't remember when exactly it happened, and your consciousness stops existing until you wake up? I think it might be like that, except you don't ever wake up.

The ghost of Thomas Jefferson and Richard Nixon come to you the moment you die to judge your actions and see if you are fit to go to the celestial kingdom.

If you've led a good, American life, you'll be given unlimited power to rule over your own planet. And this is where all of your wives and children will join you.

But, if you've led the immoral life of a dirty Democrat and Communist, you'll be forced to either manufacture M16 rounds in the factories or make McDonalds Big Macs for minimum wage until the end of time with no smoke breaks.

The End

>except you don't ever wake up.
Unless quantum immortality or reincarnation are true. If your consciousness can come into existence once, it's not impossible that it could come into existence again.

I almost died once on a camping trip.I left the camp to hike and I got lost and I tried to return but it started to get dark.I tried to return fast to the camp so I do not embarass myself because I got lost.I couldnt look where I was going and missed the trail and I fell off a cliff.It was as high as a 5 story building and it was at night.I landed on my back and my backpack absorbed the fall.I am not kidding.As I was falling I lost control and I remember I muttered fuck fuck fuck and after a while I thought i cant believe how long I'm falling I will surely die.When I landed my head started getting light and my vision darkened and I kid you not I felt like real life was a dream and that i was waking up from it.Like nothing mattered because it was all a dream and that the darkness was the real reality.Then after I while I started to regain consiousness but I couldnt move anything and immediately thought I was paralysed.I felt horrible.Then I slowly got up and felt really weird regaining control of my body again.
I looked at my clock and 4 hours had passed just like that.That was the most fucked up thing of all.Then I started walking for 10 hours to find my starting point and return to the nearest village.I was also really fucking thirsty and peed blood.Next morning I pretended nothing happened to not disturb my friends.

Death fucking sucks I would not reccommend it to anyone.I am agnostic but I thanked god when I returned.
Thats life for you.Aging,disease and death suck no matter what everyone tells you.The worst part for me was that as I was close to death I couldnt think of anything,like my family or any loved one or even my dog because I was really focused on not fucking dying.Incredible how I got up like a champ and walked for 100 kilometres after that and continued my life in the camp like nothing happened.I felt like a fucking badass after that lol

I'd appreciate if people would post more real life storys like this on here. Also didn't you have serious internal injuries or smth?

imagine the billion years that had passed before you were born
that's how death feels

No one really knows but anecdotally reincarnation seems probable. Some of the stories are quite compelling but far from proff.

The most probable theory is that this shit is all there is, when you die, it's over. I remember when I started to study biology and evolution psychology, it completely destroyed my world view. Evolution psychology explains everything about humans and their behavior, it's depressing. Also, when you start to really study biology and observe nature's behavior, you can see how systematic and cruel it is. They both just shattered everything I thought was amazing about life, nature and humans.

However, sometimes I get a feeling that life just seems too good to be random and that the universe seems to work according a 'plan'. And, I really hope that there really is something else to life than there seem to be. Otherwise, this place is a hell.

death isnt a thing you personally experience. the dying, yes. but ask the dead dog on the side of the road what happens. ask the dead vermin deer. its the same.

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There you go. I really recommend watching it, the kid tells it very well but here it is basically:

>kid gets lured by a nignog
>he shots him with a shotgun three times
>he thinks he's dying
>he feels 'force' lifting him up and he manages to crawl out of the ditch and some off-duty cop sees him
>cop calls for help
>as he goes to ambulance he feels like he's travelling out of the ambulance and just observing the ambulance from outside
>this continues until medics start to pull him out of the ambulance to the hospital
>he sees his legs and torso coming out of the ambulance
>as soon as he's about see his own face *blank*
>he was announced dead at arrival
>one doctor says there's no chances for him
>other doctor still decides to try
>he survives

STOP BELIEVING IN DUALISM

>hurr-durr humans are just organic machines
>consciousness "just works!"
fuck off physicalist

Your ridiculous belief has been completely disproven by the interaction problem. If something interacts with the physical, it's also physical.

You can't even trust physical things because your brain processes shit. Give me a brainless objective perspective and I'll trust you.

>If something interacts with the physical, it's also physical.

What about emergent properties?

Tell us more about evolution psychology please

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>Thinking about death, what's outside the universe, why we're here, and so on
>Get a headrush and immediately lose my train of thought
We aren't supposed to think about it. There is either something blocking us from the truth, or our stupid bodies simply can't process the next step.
Let it be. Everyone dies, and you will know then, so there's really no point in even thinking about it.

When we die, we will move onto whatever is next, whether it is what was before, or an entirely different stage.

It makes sense from a statistical standpoint. If your consciousness can emerge once, it could potentially happen again given an infinite amount of time.

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No it doesn't. It's not impossible to have a human that doesn't have any qualia, and is distinguishable from humans that do experience qualia.

I will put that to the watchlist.

If P-zombies are distinguishable from humans that have qualia, then it means there is a physical basis for qualia because P-zombies are physically different from humans with qualia.

I hope reincarnation is real so I can get another chance at life

What do you mean by "physical basis"?

It means the presence of qualia has observable consequences in the physical.

You get recycled into the ground, something eats you up then you turn into its sperm and you are born again until at one point you are human again. Didn't you watch The Lion King?

I hope that reincarnation is real, so that I can go back to the simpler times.

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>that strange feel when I get nostalgia for periods of my life that I hated

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Ayy The Residents

I had a profound experience when I had smoked some weed laced with some unkown substance. It felt like my subjective reality was merely a projection of the true nature of the universe. The true nature was revealed to me as all of reality being a quantum superposition. Litterally a manifistation of a paradox. An eternal state of existing and not existing at the same time. Every experience and every possibility is merely the switching of positions in different ways. It's the answer to all the paradoxes ever devised. We're living in it.

I like the idea of reincarnation because it's about experiencing everything there is to life so it could be bad now, but happy next.

>Be 26
>tfw the early 2010's are the oldest time period that I have any vivid memories of

The 90's are completely gone to me, and I just barely remember the 2000's.

You just get to relive your life again, because fuck you that's why.

Do you drink a lot? I'm 25 and have vivid memories of things I did growing up.

Or even worse.

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So according to your theory if I die near eagles and they eat me I will be reborn as an eagle?

I don't do alcohol or drugs at all. I am diagnosed with Asperger's though, and I heard that can affect memory.

Instant blackness. Then it would probably be almost like opening your eyes after a deep sleep. After that, you're placed wherever they decided to put you (Heaven, Damnation, Reincarnation, Walking the Earth for eternity, etc).

The only thing I wish for is to not have to experience every living being that has ever lived cause sure, I'd be the rich oligarch getting my dick sucked 24/7 for 80 years by peasants in one lifetime, but I'd also need to endure being characters in cartel and isis videos at some point and I really don't wanna be that funkytown guy one day.

I'm convinced this reality is false. It's a farce of some kind, satire.

It all depends on what the "average" sentient life is like. Think of reincarnation as rolling a new life at random. If you think your life is worse than the average sentient life, your reincarnated will statistically be more likely to be better than your current life.

I'm in the same boat user, I have severely deficient autobiographical memory so it almost feels as if I leap through time at specific moments since the rest feels like it never even happened or was so unimportant that I didn't bother to register it

You go to heaven if you were a good person.
Hell if you were a bad person.
Purgatory if you were okay.

>implying that cuckstianity is true

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what is purgatory like?

I am a proponent to believing that we expierience reincarnation, but in no means a spiritual way. I believe when you die you will become something else, on and on till at last you experience every form of life there is to offer in the universe. From bacteria to titanic life. And at the end of it all I believe that we will meet whatever started the universe with the simple question "what did you learn?"

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not as bad as hell and it's temporary

Why would reincarnation be true? Quantum immortality probably isn't either but reincarnation is just silly, there's no reason to believe your consciousness would move elsewhere.

I certainly hope it isn't true.

>life is suffering
>keep coming back to life
>the universe is actually hell

I hope I stay dead when the time comes. No afterlife either please.

The issue with evolutionary psychology is that its really hard to falsify, one could claim most every human behavior as driven by natural selection and it would make sense but testing these hypotheses would not be a clear cut pass or fail like say the Geiger marsden experiment. Noone can agree how homosexuality and transgenderism keep reoccurring when they actively harm reproductive success

nothing, you lose consciousness and that's it. My daily experience is too unforgiving and random for me to believe in any greater purpose. Just walk around in the city and soon enough you realize that everything is just a subjective experience that dies off with your brain

You're in luck user because there's reason to believe otherwise

That's not what quantum immortality is, op.

More than liklwy rhough, cosmic immortality is true and that's not what cosmic immortality is either; cosmic immortality is the notion that due to the ad one law of thermodynamics and entropic decay that all things that can happen will happen; atoms in a perfectly uniform vacuum through the passage of time will random form into ordered structures.

That means that you will live this life over and over and over again for eternity; and every one elses.

We are on replay.

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Because math. As long as the chance isn't 0, or doesn't approach 0 as time approaches infinity, it will happen given an infinite amount of time. Other things, like Boltzmann brains, also should theoretically form given enough time.

Like the Elysian plains, the dead wander around aimlessly and it has a really sad atmosphere

But consciousness isn't a physical concept that can repeat, it's strictly an interface created by the combined information sent to the brain. There's literally nothing to transfer, math be dammed.

Nothing. You ever realize how the popularity of quantum immortality and simulation theory rose with the advent of technology and the fall of religion? It's the same shit, just with a technocratic coat of paint. We fuck, we die, maybe our offspring lives. That's it.

Think about things that were emotionally engaging when you were a kid. Those felt really meaningful and real, right? Now look back at them, like your toys for example. You now see them for what they are, and that little world behind them has disappeared. Not because they have changed, but because you look at them differently. It's the same with things you think are meaningful now, and everything else as well.
It's all subjective, there is nothing after death. This is all there will ever be

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The fact that they have similarities to religion doesn't automatically mean that they aren't true though. Nick Bostrom, for instance, has actual reasons based on logic and evidence for why the world is likely a simulation.

You don't need to die. Look into the SENS Research Foundation.

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embrace the existential dread and turn it into fuel for daily life
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when you die god judges you and then you go to either heaven or heck :)

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I'd like to think that when I die I'll be reincarnated as a dung beetle, much like how I live posting on Jow Forums. I'd roll shit all day then lounge around in my ball of shit when the sun peeks while contemplating all the reasons I love hiding in my ball of shit, and I would love that ball of shit.

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It is impossible to accurately theorize what happens after death until we can figure the ins and outs of consciousness.

Have you read Mircea Eliade?

>no argument
Very original my man

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why are people like this? You either don't look honestly at the reality around you or you're just deluded/stupid and out of touch with it. I literally cannot understand how someone who has been here for more than say 16 years still believes in heaven and hell.

Your brain is a machine that has to work to generate "consciousness". When you die, the machine stops working, so you stop being "conscious". No more thinking or feeling ever again. It's fine.

One idea I had was that you basically remain "stuck" at the exact moment of your death, because that's the final moment your brain can process. So the rest of eternity is that one set of sights and sensations, without the brain power to think about it either.

but there's no brain to generate any impulses either. So that makes no sense at all.
The only possible "life after death" scenario I can imagine is that you experience consciousness again through another brain. It's not like there's a link between you and the person after you, but there just happens to be new consciousness in another brain, that "you" then experience. Although I don't think it's possible cause that would mean consciousness IS somehow detached from the body, and I really don't believe that's the case.
It's just eternal, dreamless sleep, not that hard to imagine

No way of knowing. Consciousness is too abstract to figure out, and we need to know how it works to get a better idea of what happens when the brain shuts down.

Personally, I think something more happens then just black void. There's no reason a complex organ should develop the ability to experience itself, or even why that happens to be an identifiable me. Why am I in this body and you in yours? Is there no reason or rhyme to it, it's just by fucking chance that I'm here, experiencing the universe in a timely manner?

It's hard to explain. Even if everyone has consciousness, why do we experience it personally? It makes me think there's more to it than our being, well, being just a result of our organic brain.

I'm completely with you. At worst, I would hope we could leave the body early and not experience the trauma. I've read NDE's where that would happen... like some woman who was in a horse riding accident and right before the horse went to stomp on her head, she said she was observing it from outside her body.
Materialist, pls.

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We all think this conscious experience is somehow special. But really, once you're on the verge of death it doesn't matter anymore. What you thought was essential is just something you became accustomed to.
I've been on the verge of death and back again, and there is nothing after this, let me tell you that much.

Nothing. Your consciousness, your memories, everything you are is just gone, erased.
That's the primary reason I haven't killed myself, I hate to spend my last minutes feeling that way

If you're going to ignore religious points of view in general, the you're going to not get very interesting answers. It's all a variation of 'nothing', which is what you want to hear?

Energy can never be created or destroyed.

Let that sink in...

You go to meet the god/s of your ancestors and they become disappoint that you no listen to your ancestors and worshiped a false idol or didn't at least look into your ancestors god/s.

You keep coming back. It's the most simple yet perfect torture for beings like us. We are imperfect. Our shapes are warped perceptions of our God's eye and we praise our own lust. To combat that our Karmic weight as an entire species causes us to relive our lives again and again, through different timelines and all throughout history. We fuel our own descent, we follow our leaders blindly and give in to their demands, causing us to fall deeper down the spiral. In our eyes one can see the animosity humanity subconsciously holds towards our spiritual transgressors. Whoever, whatever they are, they do not want us in their kingdom. And we are bound to this endless cycle for eternity.

the amount of irrationality is kinda depressing honestly

Until you factor in entropy. Your particular consciousness has only emerged once in 14 billion years on a single planet among billions and billions. Even if my premise is false and you're on the second or third go, do you remember being you? Is there any connection between the other yous and the current you? Isn't that essentially something else if you cannot make a connection between your experiences? In my opinion, it's not still you, just something similar. You're still dead, simply because your experiences fail to accumulate and it's all for nothing because entropy will consume everything anyway.

>tfw you remember everything already exists

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>do you remember being you?
Do you remember being a child? A baby? Every dream you've ever had?

you just go to hell. its like earth, but apparently its somehow worse haha

snap.
nothing.
that's it.
nothing.
purely nothing.
you can't even imagine "nothing" because all your life you've always been something.
it's just nothing.
non-existent.
you can't even think.
just...silence
darkness...not even darkness because darkness is not nothing.
it's just nothingness
pure blank

For the most part, yes, but you're being pedantic. You don't remember ANYTHING about another consciousness, which means either it's statistically unlikely to reoccur, or that it has and doesn't accumulate experiences like we do with memories while alive.

Can you even consider that conscious? If you do, are you simply enthralled with masturbating over how clever you think you are?

If you consider entropy, regardless of how vast the universe is, and that it's likely finite, and that we have no idea what possible combinations there are for what we call consciousness. The "all possibilities will occur in time" meme is garbage when you observe everything is decaying and that matter and energy are finite (which we don't know for sure).

If you start to wank philosophical about multiverse theory, I posit again that nobody has any connection to their "other" (which in this case may even occur at the same time), so it's not really immortality because it's not "you".

>quantum immortality
Makes no logical sense. Dying is the same as losing consciousness. You either wake up, or you don't. That's the difference.

You'll never feel death, but you'll feel yourself dying. Just hope that your last moments are good, because there is no relief or reward afterwards.

Instead of replying to each point, I'll just say that I think there is a lot of shit that we aren't able to observe/measure with scientific instruments and that we need to take a look at people's experiences (NDE/OBE/etc) and look at the similarities and differences.
I would say consciousness is just the "you" that is experiencing the moment. Based on what I've read, I choose to trust people that once this body of ours dies, then we will return to some higher self where we have access to all those past memories.
>"all possibilities will occur in time"
That does seem silly... but I don't even believe in time outside of this experience we're having. Everything always is, was, and will be. Not necessarily this universe, but whatever everything is.

Your soul perishes unless you gave yourself up to be forgiven by Jesus Christ. If you did, then you join everyone else who did to become one with Jesus Christ. It's probably a lot like the LCL in EoE.

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