Age of consent is 16 or 18 in most countries

>Girls start fucking at 13 nowadays but apparently they can't give consent

They can't consent with an adult because of the power differential.

They can fuck other children and sometimes people 2-4 years older than them if they live somewhere with romeo and Juliet laws.

I think there isn't anything wrong with this arrangement. Why do you? And don't tell me that your stance is "they should have the right to!!!" Because that's disingenuous and you know it.

i am not looking for a porn so what is sauce

I know. I said 'around those ages' as in the ages the OP mentioned.

>They can't consent with an adult because of the power differential.

Why do people pretend this is true 100% of the time? How I view it is: as you go lower in age it's statistically more unlikely for the child to be able to give consent.

That's it. We're just talking about statistical averages though, so it's possible a certain 13 year old can give consent to a 21 year old but a 15 year old can't.

Translated from the original feminist, basically women want themselves to have the upper hand in any and every relationship so the idea of men ever potentially having power of any kind in a relationship thanks to being more mature or having more life experience and or authority is so offensive to them that it must be stopped by law

Of course in actual fact young hot chicks have plenty of power because of how desirable they are and if anything older men often get played like a fiddle by them, but to feminists it doesnt matter, everything that doesnt smack of EQUALITY is bad and therefore should be illegal communism applied to the bedroom

Thats before you even get into the sexual jealousy issue

Well, let's suppose one in 1000 13-year olds have, incredibly anomalously, the brain chemistry of a full adult and the wealth of experience that leads to good judgement with relationships. (In reality maybe 1 in a million)

If you change the law because of a tiny exception, pedos will convince vulnerablw and isolated girls online they're part of that exception and abuse would be rampant.

You never change the law for an extremely rare exception, that's how laws work.

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why arent we being this protective of adults too? i know plenty of adults that don't have a wealth of experience that leads to good judgment with anything, much less relationships.
where is their protection?

No but the justice system can judge based on individual cases instead of being autistic and doing things like locking up a 20yo for having a relationship with a 15yo. Also when I say adult I don't mean a 50yo with a 13yo that's completely different. I mean a guy in his 20s like me with a 13-15yo. I think that's possible way more than you think it is.

These days 13 year olds watch the most graphic porn. Her peers can be just as predatory as people older than her because they're conditioned to be the excessive porn use.

I think the age of consent should be 16 but I think it's stupid to create a culture where 13 year olds get access to unlimited porn yet are at the same time assumed totally innocent.

>a guy in his 20s like me with a 13-15yo
>I think that's possible way more than you think it is.
>like me

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The mental development of a 20 year old is the same as the mental development of a 50 year old.

Go away amerimutt I don't want your mentally ill brainwashed opinions

Why is it okay for a 13 year old to get the death penalty but not okay for a 16 year old to consent to sex?

I don't believe in power differential arguments because if you're not a teacher parent or boss you don't have direct power over her. I'm also basing it on the fact I'm mentally the same as when I was 20 and I'm in my early 30s. My social skills changed for the better but intellectually I'm the same.

This post, to be quite honest

Precedent is a powerful legal concept you seem to not understand.

If there are "good" 10 year age gap relationships with minors, then outright grooming pedos can get good lawyers and EASILY string a case along for a year until the jury / judge cracks and just let's it through.

>Innocent
That's not it, the problem is impulsivity and hormones, as well as lacking experience.

We are protective of retarded adults, due example.

Like the one user said, it's a matter of statistics. A child is very likely to need protection, so it's best to protect all. An adult is much less likely to so itd be insane to try to protect them all- but it's not like an adult is on their own. We have lots of abuse laws, just no blanket ones that apply to all adults.

You can't possibly think the dynamics of a relationship between a 15yo+20yo and 15yo+50yo are the same

>just no blanket ones that apply to all adults
but this is bullshit tho. there are countless adults just pretending to be functional adults and being lead on and taken advantage of constantly be people with more experience, power, and authority over them. so many of them are being coerced into doing things they dont understand or dont understand the gravity of. why is there no protection for this?

There's nothing wrong with power differential in a relationship.

I was taught from a young age men wanted sex and would say things to get into my pants. I imagine most girls are aware of this. Also knew about pregnancy prevention. I knew a lot of things early on.

As for impulsivity if this is the case the government shouldn't charge 13 year olds as adults under the law but it does and sometimes gives them the death penalty.

The law exists so that 20 year old guys won't "rape" 14 year old girls and say "I thought she consented waah".
Well, the actual reason is that no one wants to change it cause the public backlash.

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No one cared about older men fucking younger women until hags got the right to vote. Womens sufferage was a fucking mistake.

Wow that means you must have been so much more mature than most girls. You're really special, princess. Such an intellectual, so impressive.

Believe it or not, lots of girls fall for that speil, education or not

AoC above ~14-15 is retarded.

>good judgement
several adults i know have terrible judgement. this is a poor argument.

Maybe those girls wanted sex too. It's not falling for it if they know what they're in for.

see this post also

My country allows 13 years old to give blowjobs, handjobs, etc, anything that they want as long as it doesn't involve penetration acts, after the age of 14~15, they can take it up their ass or pussy or where they want.

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Your counterargument is literally an annecdote.

More children have poor judgement than adults do, statistically and logically speaking. Children are also more easily intimidated, blackmailed, and etc.

So what if adults can be too? It's still illegal but happens less often.

A forever prince who doesn't groom 100 other girls on the side and makes tender love to them is a common fantasy and you can't blame a kid for having it. The common reality is just the opposite.

It's not illegal for an adult to be coerced into sex if they consent, even if they have poor judgement.

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Also not everything about trying to be "special". I hung out with a girl who flashed random cars at the age of 14 and brought 30+ men into her room.

My other friend at 12 said she'd get pregnant at 16 and she did by a guy around her age but she was intent to get pregnant earlier to get a baby and money from the government. She has 3 kids from 3 dads and collects child support from the dads and their families and government money for all 3 kids in addition.

I had other friends and girls I knew who were similar. So the whole "She doesn't know what she's doing" line doesn't fly as well with me.

Depends, actually. There are legal ways and illegal ways to coerce.

If livelihood is put on the line (ie fuck or fired), intoxicants are used, or various other promises are made one can be held liable.

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Men can be non monogamous at all ages. It's common sense. The 14 year old has girls on the side too.

the laws exist because parents are expected to pay for their children until 18, and girls getting knocked up at 14-15 really messes with that, because 14-15 year old children can't support children of their own yet.

While they may be sexually mature, it is unlikely that they are choosing mature partners or are financially mature in their own right.

yeah well 20 year old japanese girls might as well be 13 anyways

thus concludes the thread

The government can pay or the boy's parents.

do you think men desiring younger women makes women feel the same way as how we feel when women desire hypermasculine chads?

the same sort of jealousy?

What would you think about a relationship between a 15 year old and a 23 year old

If no sex fine. Sex itself should wait til 16 to 18.

Why should you wait to 16 if she's 15

Because there has to be a line somewhere and 16 is also the age you can drive and get work.

Where I live you can fuck a 14 yo freely and maybe younger if everyone's cool with it. That's good enough for me.

There is barely any difference between a 15 and 16 year old and some 17 year olds are less mature than some 14 year olds

>Girls start fucking at 13 nowadays

Nowadays? lol that's the age at which most girls got pregnant for the first time all throughout human history.

AoC laws used to "protect" women by basically taking them off the marriage market long enough for them to get an education and a job to live independently. It's an important part of creating a non-patriarchal society. Otherwise they get snapped up by older, wealthier men at 14 and then become housewives and mothers.

Nowadays though that's totally irrelevant because of birth control and on-demand abortion, as well as the total elimination of taboos against sex outside of wedlock so girls as young as 13 can slut it up with no repercussions and go on to live independently. With AoC laws we're basically living in the gap between "well-intentioned" second-wave feminism and the sexual dystopia that is third-wave feminism.

In my country its 12

If only it was possible. I'm too autistic for a woman my age. I would care for my gf, I would never hurt her, I would never force her to do anything. What's the problem?

The problem is that we decided to create an "equal" society where women are allowed to take on the same kinds of responsibilities as men. Naturally this means the abandonment to some extent of their responsibilities as women, but we figured that that was a price worth paying.

The flip side though to a kind of patriarchal society where women are heavily controlled is the Muslim world, which goes way too far. The only way for a man to have sex with a woman is to marry her, but to marry her you need to be rich enough to satisfy her parents. In countries with typically high unemployment rates this is virtually impossible, so you end up with hordes of sexually frustrated men roaming about the place ready to cause trouble in the name of whatever group promises them money and women.

Rite, but bitches want to suck you dry via alimony and shit. Child support is understandable but this modern, strong, independent and empowered woman should be able to take care of her damn self.

Same. I'm Autistic and don't have a sense of a peer group and don't sense this imaginary power differential. I have as little in common with my age groups as other she groups.

It's stupid that an older autistic man who loves a younger woman and wants to help her is evil but a neurotypical who uses her to perform depraved acts and insults her body is okay just because they're the same age.

That's just another gap between 2nd- and 3rd-wave feminism. We've become a society that unreasonably favours women because we've kept or reinforced all the protections we used to give them when they were the "disadvantaged" sex, while giving them total equality with men everywhere else.

If you can fuck a girl you consent to child support.

I agree. With birth control and abortion all this "It's pedophilia if she's 17" nonsense is stupid. It's stupid today's feminists think a 13 year old can consent to abortion without her parents permission but a 17 year old can't consent to sex because it's pedophilia.

Stop trying to rationalize your pedophilia.

>doing things like locking up a 20yo for having a relationship with a 15yo.
that's good though

Because its between minors you faggot. The US literally has young adults (18) labeled as sexual predators for fucking a 17 year old.