Only criminals hate the police

I don't have a problem with law enforcement, but in the US only certain people sign up for the job:
>grown men with the minds of children who think life is like their Legos
>corrupt faggots

how about you stop stuffing people of color in jail or at the very least abolish ICE before pretending law enforcement is on the right side of anything

>be black
>have everything rigged against you at all times from birth
>don't properly play simon says when a white person calls the police on you because they thought you "looked like a gang member"
>get shot and/or put in jail

Not true. m.digitaljournal.com/article/337157

youtu.be/U98_qTwrZ0A

Community policing, every community of 150 house has a preassigned law enforcement dude who is required to know the names of the people he's responsible for.

Didnt wear helmets when riding their bikes, just to clarify.

I hate the concept of police, actual police vary like any person.

I like your take on this.

How about we test them more. globalresearch.ca/us-court-ruled-you-can-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/5420630

>people of color

stopped reading there

cops enforce the laws they dont make them. how about cops stop policing black areas, im sure everything will be better.

I don't like the police, but I do respect that they have a shitty, stressful job and most of them are good people. Haven't had too many run ins with them aside from getting pulled over for expired tags a couple of times, but they let me go with a warning, since they're too busy busting meth labs to care much about that. It would suck being a cop, getting called into peoples' houses during domestics, having to be a first responder and watch people die, having to pull someone over and be put in a shitty position of not knowing if they're going to try and shoot you. If it were me I'd shit my pants on the first day doing any of that. Still don't like them though, they have too much lee-way and not much oversight. I'm glad they have to wear body cams now.

What happens when preassigned law enforcement dude is up against 10 households worth of criminals?

He dies. I bet you'd like that, fucking commie.

how is this any better than police though

then stop just spreading brainless anti law enforcement memes and start advocating for more rigorous testing

Oh sorry, I forgot you only know them as "them weird immigrant types"

Except they do discriminate, and benign neglect isnt the solution. Better training and ending the culture of discrimination fostered by the unions...

Found the kike

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Where have I spread anti law enforcement memes? Some of the dudes I play PUBG with are cops. They bitch about dumb ass racist cops

reminder that i associate with much more immigrants and black people than you

Go back to Jow Forums you troglodyte

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So you're a mind reader? Hardly anyone I work with is white. The difference is I don't advocate for them to be thrown into jail behind their backs and then use my association with them as a shield for plainly racist views

they have reason to "discriminate" TO A POINT (keeping an eye on demographics that is statistically more likely to commit crimes) And i think if you stop reading headlines about odd cases of police misconduct youll find mostly that they are improving relationships within their communities.

UK cops seem pretty nice.
US cops seem like shit.

>they have reason to "discriminate"
Stopped reading there. Racism/bigotry is never okay, no matter how many stats fascists throw out you to justify it

>UK cops seem pretty nice
Bobbies on the beat are nice lads. GCHQ and the unmarked car magicians aren't friendly

>Live in the UK
>Cops tend to be alright and cool mainly the "cheers mate" type of person and never aggravate or impede on rights or attack
So what's wrong with US cops? They seem like power trippers.

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some laws are bullshit

>youre just racist

seems like this is always where the conversation dies and you know an intellectual dead end has been reached

I think it's something to do with the gun culture in the states that makes coppers feel a bit more agitated. That plus the general police culture already being this self perpetuating hierarchical power tripper culture is my guess.

It's a lot easier for a bobby to go "Just pop your window down their for me mate." when it's almost guaranteed the person isn't going to pull a gun.

You don't like that huh? Maybe because it's an assumption about someone? One that would require mind reading to be 100% sure of? You know, sort of like ?

Depends where you live. In rural areas you are likely to have gone to HS or college with your typical cop. Around here they barely bother anyone, either due to laziness or they save their energy for real problems instead of hassling the average person.

I'm a criminal and I dont hate the police

theyre doing important stuff

Absolutely true.
The only time I ever had trouble with a cop was when I forgot to turn on my car's headlights.
We had a laugh about it and he let me go after I turned them on.
>inb4 bootlicker
If you're living a healthy, decent life you will never have any trouble with cops. Pull yourself together. Also stop being black.

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If you believe law and order is important, why do you ruin it?

Gotta make a living somehow dude.

Most people do that without being career criminals. And you are stealing a living, not making it.

Hey dumb ass, he could be breaking laws that don't involve theft.

Confirmed for didn't grow up in a tiny town.
City cops are good guys, work hard, work in actually dangerous conditions, have a lot on their plate, etc. City cops won't get in your way or pull you over unless you're actively being a dangerous nuisance.

Small town cops don't have actual work to do. There's no strings of random robberies, no midnight murders, no giant drug rings. So, they have to invent work for themselves. I had a friend get a DUI for blowing .06 even though the limit is .08; the charges were dropped but they still had to go to court AND foot the bill for court costs. The same friend got a ticket for not turning on their headlights in a well-lit gas station parking lot, only turning them on when they turned into the dark road, immediately pulled over. That was in a village of 1500 people with 4 cops. I've had a ticket for driving 33mph in a 30mph zone. Small town cops are shit, and generate 95% of cop hate for being power-tripping overly self-important D-average fuckups. City cops who end up dealing with dangerous niggers just take all the heat/publicity for it because they're the only ones doing something news-worthy. Small town cops should be gassed.

I never meant to imply he was committing theft specifically, brainlet. When you make a living from crime, you are preying upon the value created by others rather than creating any yourself. Thus, you don't make a living. You steal it.

Go be low IQ somewhere else.

>And you are stealing a living, not making it.

>And you are frying a living, not making it!
>And you are curing a living, not making it!
>And you are arresting a living, not making it!
Wtf did you think that was even going to mean? Idiot.

I sincerely hope this is samefaggotry.

Makes more sense that it's triggered crimlets who need to find a way to tear down the post because it's attacking them

>haha you used "steal" figuratively so that means my criminal life is justified

They don't protect and serve anymore, they just do what is explicitly required or where their whim takes them. They're all either bullies or have a hero complex, what unites them is their egos. I've met more abrasive, antagonizing cops than helpful ones, I'm sorry to say. I wish that the profession attracted more responsible and level-headed people than these meathead shoot-first-ask-questions-later types. The big thing that defines them all is their cult-like protection of one another even when they've done wrong- seems more and more cops see people as either civilians or criminals that they are "above" either way. Makes me sick, I'll never stop hating the police until they make even the slightest effort to remedy this culture of abuse

policemen aren't working class, they're class traitors

i've never been to jail, ticket or arrested but i absolutely can't stand cops and i wasn't always this way, it's actually happened recently.

basically, my last 3 or 4 encounters with them have been on my way to work, on foot, as i don't drive.
they somehow find a way to fuck with me. like if you're wearing a backpack and some event is going on that you have to cross through, apparently they have the jurisdiction to stop and search you just because.

i've had cops approach me from behind and ask "why are you walking so fast?"
that was the last straw for me with cops.

i don't give a fuck what they're claiming their intentions are, they shouldn't even be fucking speaking to me unless i pose immediate danger. fuck off.

And what if they can prevent a large number of crimes just by asking people why they're walking so fast when they're indeed walking much faster than usual, or because they check backpacks?

Those things hardly inconvenience you. Nothing goes wrong if you just cooperate, as you said yourself. Police aren't psychic so they don't know you aren't a criminal. Nor should they just wait for crimes to happen to be able to perform simple checks.

>And what if they can prevent a large number of crimes just by asking people why they're walking so fast when they're indeed walking much faster than usual, or because they check backpacks?

doesn't fuckin happen - the number of crimes prevented by such actions is so fuckin low it might as well not matter. actually, police hardly prevents crime at all, outside of actions against organised crime which take years to go through with. police is there to keep everyone in check and punish those who aren't acting in line with the law set by those in power.

>doesn't fuckin happen - the number of crimes prevented by such actions is so fuckin low it might as well not matter.
>actually, police hardly prevents crime at all,
Citations needed.

You really think people want to punish you for wearing a backpack or walking too fast? They just want to make sure you aren't up to trouble, and once they know that they don't care.

>Citations needed.
don't need citations, just a bit of imagination - how can police stop a mugging, a robbery, a pickpocketing, a drug deal or any other crime activity if they're not present at the moment of it happening? they can't, which means they don't prevent those crimes. what prevents people from commiting them is their morals or the fear of punishment

No, you need citations. Your imagination is not reality. It doesn't matter what you think makes sense if reality doesn't bear that out. If it does bear it out, you should be able to produce evidence.

my evidence is all these criminal activities that do happen without police intervention

Id imagine its not fun to police a place where every fucker might pull a gun at you.
Its easy to tell them to be less violent when youre looking at it from the outside (I was actually agreeing with people who said they should try stuff like tasers before they shoot but after watching body cam footage and seeing people just laughing in cops faces while getting tased i can see why they wouldnt want to risk that when the subject has a gun)

So "crimes exist therefore police don't prevent any crimes" is your argument.

Yes, my argument is that the number of crimes that are carried out without police intervention shows that police are ineffective at preventing crime

And yet you have no citations for what that number would look like without police.

Even if police prevented 50% of all crimes, by your argument, they would be ineffective at preventing it because wow, look at all that crime! You are hurting me by being so stupid. I am literally buttbothered by how dumb you are.

>And yet you have no citations for what that number would look like without police.
This is literally irrelevant to the argument. You're, however, free to provide evidence that police is in fact effective at actively preventing crimes to prove your point.

I agree. I live in a shithole yet I never had a problem with them. I feel secure when I'm around one and they treated me well that one time I lost my ID.

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>This is literally irrelevant to the argument.
How can the number the number of crimes that would occur if police were not actively trying to prevent them be irrelevant to the question of whether police prevent crime with their efforts? It's literally CORE to the argument.

You just insisted, without evidence, that they are ineffective. And then you said the existence of crime proves they're ineffective, as if they're supposed to stop 100% of crime, or as if you already know what crime figures would look like without prevention measures, when you openly admit you don't and claim it's "irrelevant" that you don't.

On the other hand, I never said they were effective. You're the one who made the definitive claim with no evidence. I have no obligation to provide evidence for the counterclaim just to stop you from declaring with zero evidence that your claim must be true. The fact is that without evidence, we don't know whether or not they're effective and can't claim we do.

Don't bother with idiots like him.

The reality is that the brutal totality of the combined onslaught of state and capitalism today creates a system of oppression for the poor and colored, then when the people are arrested due to the miserable conditions created by the lawmakers and military who have conquered the globe via private property, these vagrant masses cycle inside and outside of the prisons, repeating offenses as a way of life because their original lives were robbed from them before they were even born.

Thus, more crime is generated by this system, much like profit, as a measure of maintaining the apparatus of power.

Now I've killed this fucking thread, you can all fuck off and continue to say stupid shit elsewhere. >>Jow Forums

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>be anarcho-communist
>call someone else an idiot

Hey, you're an idiot. :^)

>armed civilians instead of police
you sound pretty cool :)

>doesn't deny being anarcho-communist
>responds in such a way that implies he accepts he is one
Interesting. I do however deny being an idiot.

Friendly reminder that you're defending someone who said:
>Yes, my argument is that the number of crimes that are carried out without police intervention shows that police are ineffective at preventing crime
I couldn't make him look stupider if I tried. That's the person you're saying shouldn't bother himself with idiots.

>How can the number the number of crimes that would occur if police were not actively trying to prevent them
is not the same as
>And yet you have no citations for what that number would look like without police.
my point is, that police is ineffective at actively preventing crimes - they, in combination with the judiciary system, are effective at making people afraid of punishment, which may reduce crime levels somewhat, but this is not active prevention. active prevention would be catching a criminal red-handed which barely ever happens in the real world.

Moreover
>I have no obligation to provide evidence for the counterclaim just to stop you from declaring with zero evidence that your claim must be true
i have backed up my claim with an argument from physical impossibility - let me reiterate it: it's very difficult for police to stop crime if they're not already at the crime scene, and since crime can happen everywhere and anytime and there aren't policemen at every corner, it must mean that any crime actively stopped by police is an incidental happening rather than the norm, which entails that police are, in fact, ineffective at actively stopping crime

I hate the police because I'm an anti-statist

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>I don't care about it so its not relevant

brainlet

Calls in backup. He was responsible for 150 people and has access to the other cops in other prefectures.
They can coordinate and easily spot criminals.
Then if shit escalates they can call in bigger and badder dudes.

>How is this better
Average cop couldn't pick you out from a crowd, name you, or even know what you do for a living.

Police don't prevent crime because that's not their job. Their job is to arrest lawbreakers, not to prevent crime or even help people in trouble.

They job is to protect the functions of the state in its daily operation using lethal force from the people who are increasingly antagonistic towards it.

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Truth bomb post right here.

You only even introduced the word "actively" after you had made the profoundly stupid statement, and while you were challenging me to provide evidence for a claim I never even made.
Let's not forget what you said
>Yes, my argument is that the number of crimes that are carried out without police intervention shows that police are ineffective at preventing crime

But, if you want to term "active prevention", then fine. Any squabbling over that term would just be a distraction from the argument. You still haven't provided any evidence for your claim that police don't prevent crime by questioning people who are behaving out of the ordinary. You just said what basically amounts to "dude it just seems like they wouldn't".

>it must mean that any crime actively stopped by police is an incidental happening rather than the norm
No, it doesn't necessarily mean that. People who intend to commit crimes may give off certain tells that police may pick up. Like heading to a crowded event that they look like they don't have any intention of actually participating in, with a backpack. Or walking particularly fast. And police will be more obvious if they interact with people to show their presence. And if police make their presence more obvious by these actions, they could induce more fear in criminals as well.

And what is "incidental"? Is preventing 10% of crime "incidental"? Because if they prevented 10% of crime by just asking guys why they're walking too fast or asking to check their backpacks, then that sounds like a good deal to me. Even 5% would. How many people angry about being asked about their walking speed is worth preventing one murder? This also ignores where police are stationed. Crimes actually don't just occur everywhere at the same rate. And police can act preventively with statistical trends in mind. It's not a completely random guessing game.

So he calls in the backup of people who don't know the 150 at all. Thus, the majority of policemen responding to the incident don't know shit. And if shit escalates they can call in bigger and badder dudes who also don't know shit about the people in the community.

2 days ago some guy talks shit to me so I talk shit back; they call the police.

Did they arrest you?

True.
But literally ANYONE can be a criminal, all it takes is someone writing it down into law.

i don't trust the police because they don't drug test nor do they test for steroids
they will always be treated with contempt with a robotic, inhuman disposition in any interaction until the cop can demonstrate that they're not a loose cannon who's emotions are encouraging them to escalate any confrontation

>at the very least abolish ICE
so let sexual traffickers and predators prey on children but at least you're not racist. good goy.

>good goy
Spot the antisemite.

ICE didn't exist until 2003, it has nothing to do with trying to prevent sex trafficking and everything to do with creepy old white dudes like Bush, Trump, Romney etc trying to keep their country "pure"

>You only even introduced the word "actively" after you had made the profoundly stupid statement
i have used the terms "intervention" and "stopping a crime" which imply pretty much the same as active prevention.

>No, it doesn't necessarily mean that. People who intend to commit crimes may give off certain tells that police may pick up. [...]
this is, of course, with the assumption that the police are already at place - which is exactly the opposite situation of what i've been describing.

>And what is "incidental"? Is preventing 10% of crime "incidental"?
yes. by what fuckin measure is 10% (or even 5%, as you have said yourself) succes rate considered effective? this is what i've been saying the whole fuckin time - police are not effective at actively preventing crime, whether it is through random searches and questioning or catching criminals red handed.

Hating cops is for lowlife criminals and edgy teenagers. I dont love em, but i respect em.

>Spot the antisemite.
not an argument as usual just an insult.
i guess they were just volunteering after hours here
youtube.com/watch?v=JBo5xxq8OL8

nah, fuck the police

>verything to do with creepy old white dudes like Bush, Trump, Romney etc trying to keep their country "pure"
right ICE is literally rounding up every single non white person and deporting them according to your fantasy world in which white supremacy actually exists. or they are removing illegal immigrants who just happen to not be white because the only majority country bordering the US is canada and most canadians don't want to emigrate to the US illegally. not everything is racist libtard.

>most canadians don't want to emigrate to the US illegally.
Fun fact there are actually loads of illegal Canadians in the US, I mean we're talking big time.

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>ICE didn't exist until 2003
so what? Homeland security didn't start until after 9/11 but the government still had anti terrorism task forces before then. it was just a reorganization not an acknowledgment that all of a sudden terrorism existed. presidents not named trump were tough on illegal immigrants too.

>by what fuckin measure is 10% (or even 5%, as you have said yourself) succes rate considered effective?
By a measure where the cost is low and the payoff is high. So what if I only have a 10% chance of success when I bet $10 if the payoff is $10,000? I'll keep betting.

And we are talking specifically about how many crimes they "actively prevent", even though passive prevention is a side-effect of people knowing about active prevention and retaliation, and even though this only part of their job.

If people learn that police may be present but they just sit around doing nothing until after a crime has already occurred, which is apparently what you want them to do, then they might be more brazen in committing crimes, or in their actions leading up to crime. You have no evidence that their tactics are not effective.

this. another equally edgy belief among liberals is to claim that all labor and all value is necessarily economic. they have a lot of trouble understanding spirituality, sacrifice, and duty for these reasons. if they don't get paid for labor it's automatically "oppressive." which would mean that literally every mother who has ever lived has been oppressed by having children. so the word oppression is completely pointless then.

>it's another right winger goes off on completely irrelevant diatribe about what he hates about the left episode

>being this autistic.

I dont like police but it grinds my gears when people try to make it a race issue. The data literally debunks you but its cool to believe it and earns you good boi points. Screw you and your brainwashed friends.

not an answer to my argument, nor another argument just another virtual signalling move typical of your kind.

i give up, you are literally fuckin retarded

>all these police loving bootlickers
on Jow Forums of all places, wow. police are chads who were high school bullies, trump who you worship is also a chad.

bernie was a candidate who was pushed around by chad all his life. yet you rejected him. hillary was a candidate who had to constantly deal with her chad husband fucking every stacy under the sun, but not her. and yet you rejected him. no, who you choose to vote for is the big fucking ridiculous chad who has never read a book in his life and fucks porn stars