I was born male...

I just want to be an attack helicopter
;;;___;;;
Why are you guys so mean?

You're entire identity is a fucking market correction. It's a market correction created by the complete social devaluation of males following sexual liberation. So what's the response of depressed, despised males with shitty foresight? To become females themselves, while other males fuck those fake females and even fetishized them as their own coping mechanism for their own social devaluation.
Your mental situation is not at all one of biology but one of psychology and more importantly economics. Take some anti-psycotics.

Then you'll never understand since people have many different opinions on this. It would be good to try to understand a person's opinion that you actually care about and see in real life but trying to understand a world full of different people with different IQs and different understandings? Just stop worrying so much about what people think of you. You need to fix your shit first.

you're confused about your gender op its very normal

i wouldn't recommend Jow Forums as a great source of advice for this particular issue

just remember that you and your identity matters

>It would be good to try to understand a person's opinion that you actually care about
That's what I'm trying to understand. My mom says that she wishes I was dead and that I'm disgusting and will burn in hell for all eternity. I just want to understand why she would hate me so much for being this way, so I thought I would ask other people what they think.

The Internet is a hate machine. If you spend too much time in the Internet you will find a huge (and not representative) amount of hatred. Based on the Internet, we seem to be the public enemy #1. Meanwhile, in real life everyone has been really supportive.
If you also live in a bad place then your entire perception of the world will tell you that everyone hates you. Imagine being born in some South American rural town or something. That kind of people is so rooted in religion that will literally say you are the spawn of Satan.

Then by all means go for it.
People have stigmatized men to the extreme, and anything feminine is considered deplorable in a man. This of course is the greatest offender under this stigma.
It's also important to note that it's something pretty new, quite heavy and irreversible; so people related to you will be scared for what could happen.
In your case, religion implies that such a thing is a sin (as far as I know it only mentions cross-dressing).

Nothing will change the fact that you are a male though. I sympathize with your pain, but why put so much emphasis on what it means to be a man or a woman? Being born male doesn't mean you have to act a certain way. Be as flamboyant as you want.

because you're trying to take advantage of her own very favorable economic niche Otherwise she'd just feel bad for you and your poor mental state.

I am not taking advantage of her. I started working when I was 16 and moved out when I turned 18. I have helped her when she was sick and tried my best to give back when she needed me. Even though I was first diagnosed with gender identity disorder when I was 14, I'm 26 and still live as a man because I have spent my entire life doing my absolute best to respect her wishes and be a good son, even though it has caused me immense and horrific pain.

That's easy. She's religious, she doesn't think for herself, she lets a book does that for her. She's convinced that you might be a demon or something or that maybe one is possessing you. She thinks that your situation is extremely abnormal so she's equally stressed because of it. Her dream of a "normal" child got destroyed and has prejudices towards what kind of path you'll take being like this or when you'll transition. It's a matter of perspective. She might never understand anything and she could never accept your situation and if that's the case there's almost nothing you can do. You have to focus on yourself first though, you will never be able to do anything about it if your life is a fucking mess. Then, you might be able to make your mother accept you for who you are, or maybe not. There are many people like you that had good and bad results. You should also bring up your problem with your mother later with the professional you're going to consult.

Because you're gross. Your very existence is a violation of the NAP.

Damn user, I am very sorry to hear that.
I also suffer from GD, I know how terrible it is.
Do you have a dc or something? I would like to talk to you about it, if it would make you feel better

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this. what even is gender anyway? what makes a man a man and a woman a woman aside from genitals? just be yourself and dress how u like, fuck what anyone else thinks

You should actually read my comment next time bucko. I didn't say you were taking advantage of her.

genes you retard. And no fake distinction between gender and sexes are spooks.

>what makes a man a man and a woman a woman
Bone structure.
Leg muscles.
Hormones.
Hearth, lung and liver size.
Brain wiring.
Hair genetics.
Facial bones.
Nose.
Vocal cords.
Genome.
Ability to produce vitamins, proteins, sperm etc.

Please do some very minimal and basic research into human biology.

>implying I am wrong
Sexual dimorphism
Look it up you queer

you'll look uglier and its irreversible
but if you wanna permanently fuck up your life go for it retard
even if you do look passable enjoy the ugly guys checking you out and chatting you up just to piss them off telling them you have a dick

>>implying I am wrong
Heeey, you're not me.

Fuck off you uncultured brainlet. Never heard of bio101? I doubt you can even think about human without saying "gender is not real reee"

>lists out physical attributes
Who the fuck cares? Guess who else has different bone structures to us? Animals.

Point being it shouldn't matter what gender you are you can still have a unique identity if you're an interesting person

Good: Wanting to become female to troll and gain social benefits. Doing it with wig/makeup/clothing
Retarded (You): Wanting to become female because you're fucked in the head. Taking life ruining medicine to achieve it, look like chris chan in the end

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I have some questions, I would like to understand transgender people a little more, so if any T people could answer that would be great.
>What makes you feel that you dont belong as your current gender?
>What is appealing about the opposite gender?
>What do you believe are the main differences between male and female? How do you define something as being masculine or feminine?

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>Who the fuck cares?
Your body cares, faggot.
You're just cherrypicking one perk and using demonology. You're just wrong and it'll never change.

All the information for human development is contained in your chromosomes. You receive 23 chromosomes from your mother and 23 from your father forming a total of 46 pairs. From these you have all the information needed to grow into a human. Although you get the same chromosomes from each parent for the first 22 pairs, you get an X chromosome from your mother and either an X chromosome or Y chromosome from your father. If you receive a y chromosome (which has almost no information on it compared to the others) a small process takes place that converts your vagina into a penis and your ovaries into testicles. This causes your sex organs to produce high amounts testosterone, which converts the rest of your body into the male form over your lifespan. The rest of your DNA has the information needed for how your body will react to receiving to high amounts of testosterone or estrogen.

>bone structure
>leg muscles
>heart, lung, liver size
>brain wiring
>hair
>facial bones
>nose
>vocal cords
None of these are determined by your chromosomal sex. These are entirely caused by hormones, your chromosomal sex just determines what hormone ratio your body will produce naturally. Chromosomes are also not perfectly reliable for determining sex as numerous intersex conditions exist.

I'm not saying that gender doesn't exist, because it obviously does. I'm saying that gender is not nearly as simplistic as you want it to be.

Shush it you fag, we are on the same side

Go for it, just understand that the majority of people will neither understand you nor want to be in a relationship with you, you'll never have biological kids, and people will fetishize the shit out of you. The world doesn't hate you, but your actions shouldn't be normalized, if society hated you then we wouldn't allow you to reassign your genitalia. You seem to have this perverse idea that people just change their body willy-nilly, most people just accept who they are and move on(at least with things that aren't killing you i.e. obesity, cancer, and other chronic diseases).

I'm the OP

>What makes you feel that you dont belong as your current gender?
What you described would be a belief, not a feeling. I don't believe I was meant to be a female or anything like that. I have a compulsion to be a female which is completely irrational and illogical, there's no why to it.

>What is appealing about the opposite gender?
There are some benefits to being female of course. I strongly wish I could bear children. It would be nice of course to be the innately desirable sex, it could be easier getting a relationship or a job if I was female but there would be drawbacks too. I personally don't care much for the perks of being a female. I would rather be the physically stronger sex and I prefer men's clothing to women's clothing personally. But my feelings have absolutely nothing to do with logic. If I wear men's clothing it reminds me that I'm only doing so because I was born male, and remembering that I was born male causes immense pain for me. Every time something reminds me that I'm male and not female I feel overwhelmed with anxiety and pain, like some horrific mistake has been made. I feel like a horrifically deformed female instead of a male, despite knowing logically that I am a completely healthy and outwardly normal male. When I wear women's clothing I just don't feel anything, so I prefer that.

>What do you believe are the main differences between male and female?
Women are born with female sex organs naturally produce more female hormones while males have male sex organs and naturally produce more male hormones. Masculine and feminine are mostly arbitrary, traits that can be easily linked with males or females but aren't necessarily always so. I don't care much about these things.

>What makes you feel that you dont belong as your current gender?
You feel like someone fucked up while making you and that your body is just not right. Also, you feel extreme envy (and often times saddness) when you look at women your age
>What is appealing about the opposite gender?
I feel like men are generally nicer than women, even though they may be less compassionate. Women will lie to your face to make you feel better, while boys will pat you on your back and say some kind words instead. Also men are hot)
>What do you believe are the main differences between male and female? How do you define something as being masculine or feminine?
Chromosomes and sex organs. There is not definition for someone being masc/fem, you just kind of know when you see one

>What makes you feel that you dont belong as your current gender?
It's a distressing felling of rejection towards my own body. Its medical name is "gender dysphoria". Think about phantom limbs but in reverse. The reason behind it is unknown, but it's likely something related to the structure of the connections between neurons.

>What is appealing about the opposite gender?
It's more about the rejection of your sex than the appeal of the other. However, I did grow up to like typically feminine things and develop some typically feminine behaviors; maybe by nature or by a predisposition to imitate the female behavior as a child.

>What do you believe are the main differences between male and female? How do you define something as being masculine or feminine?
Physically it's obvious. Psychologically, there are certain behavioral tendencies conditioned by both biology and society. Men tend to be more assertive and show leadership, women tend to be more caring and be a follower; among other things.

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Sounds like you have some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.

yeah it's called gender dysphoria user

You're a feminine gay male.

Instead of denying biology, you should be reinventing cultural male tropes. But that would actually take work and sacrifice. It's not as easy as taking a pill.

Just go for an androgynous look, grow out your hair, wear a little makeup, gender neutral clothes, lose/gain a little weight.

Because you are fag

>Orange juice

Chances are, if you don't already have an effeminate body, you will transition and hate how manly you look as a girl, it could lead to a constant reminder of how you failed as a man and a woman. If you get rid of the dick too, them you'll have to deal with making sure your boipussy doesn't seal up for a while. You got unlucky, that's something you have to accept unless you're okay with looking like a crossdresser.

I understand why you think that, but you would feel differently if you knew how much it hurts...
Of course, I too dislike men who just put on dresses and look like freaks, but they won't go away no matter what we do. And ultimately, for most of us it is worth the shot

You'll never really be a woman, better to just accept reality.

The Expectation:

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>I want to understand why the entire world hates me and wants me to die for having these feelings.
because the human animal is unnerved by things it perceives as too foreign or incomprehensible. it's not more complicated than that, and certainly not more interesting or enlightening than that, so you shouldn't waste more time on what crybaby Jow Forumscucks think.

focus on changing yourself to the point of being able to love yourself, and then you will be genuinely capable of helping and loving others.

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user get off Jow Forums if you're truly trans, its a terrible place to be and everybody warps reality into something far worse than what it is. You can do what you want but staying here and listening to what these people are saying is going to make you feel terrible.

Your Harsh Reality:

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Do you actually want to spend the rest of your life pretending to be something you're not and trying to make people believe you?

Transition is not the same as crossdressing

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The chance of finding a trannie that looks like is much more likely than finding one that looks like that.

Besides, a good photo can make abhorrent beasts look somewhat presentable. No doubt the reality of that photo is much different without a filter. No amount of make-up can make a man into a woman.

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Its not a false equivalency you fucking freak
Just KYS already; because I fucking gurantee you that removing your dick is never going to make you happy enough.

Trannies are often very low iq and emotional iq as well. They are often very incapable of the most basic tasks. Thats about the only thing that makes me happy about the fucking tranny stink that floats around here; knowing that theyre so incompetent and delusional that they will continue to fail indefinitely.

Have you ever considered that someone might be happier transitioning even if they don't pass perfectly?

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Some people are happier when they're eating their own shit and jerking off while wearing a diaper. Doesn't mean it should be publicly accepted.

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>abhorrent beasts
You should examine yourself user. There's no need to feel that way about other people

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I think youre going to be a loser for the rest of your life no matter what. You will now just be an ugly looking (((female))) who nobody wants to date doing it.

There is literally no other class of people on the planet who complain as much as trannies. Youre just fucked to be a pathetic weak individual

Lmao that fucking wig

the one on the right looks jewish

>BLA BLAH BLAH BLAH
>DAH HUMINS JUS B TOO BIGOTED
>DEY JUS HATE ANYTHIN DIFFURUNT
have you thought that maybe you have an insufferable personality that comes with your psychotic disorder

A fat pig is a fat pig, regardless of how you describe them.
They have to get on their knees and thank the Heavens every night that image filters exists and can magically turn them into a decent looking person.

You shouldn't be surprised.

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She doesn't wear a wig.

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He definitely uses something.

So the man on the left is the past (((her))) correct? How the fuck did he grow his hair back moron

You need male hormones to get male pattern baldness. With HRT it will be prevented and regrowth is made easier with the addition of other medications. You could easily look this up yourself

that's a big combover

>regrowth is made easier
t. room temperature iq user

according to reddit her hair grew back as a result of HRT + minoxodi

To be honest I don't give a fuck about his hair. He's vile regardless of what he uses to appear more feminine.

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>according to (((her)))
Hmmm really makes you fucking think
I know trannies are just naturally stupid and gullible, but come on

I think surgery couild work, or you can take certain medicine, for the medicine part you should go to therapy.

That could be true though, isn't balding caused by excessive testosterone?

who hurt you anons? Why are you so filled with hatred over something so harmless that doesn't affect you at all?

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No shithead
Do a simple fucking wikipedia search. Its much more complicated that that. Midoxinil typically slows results and does not magically regrow hair

Ok I did a Wikipedia search and it says you're wrong

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mfw I read this shit

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>harmless
And yet here you are
Trannies stink up any place they are a part of, and need to be shown that they arent welcome or accepted. They are emotionally and intellectually stunted individuals, in addition to their psychotic disorders. Trannies are just naturally pathetic. Look at the fuckers ITT who went female: fat balding basedboy male, and androgenous weakling whos clearly compensating with that beard. Just a bunch of weak men who think posing as a weaker individual is going to make their lives better.

Well it wont, because even a fucking normal woman has about 1000x the fortitude the average tranny does.

What is it like something like 50% of trannies (((attempt))) suicide. Not even fucking normal WOMEN do that. What does thay tell you about trannies then? It tells you theyre fucking incurably pathetic human waste

Please dont. Youll have to suffer through this and seek some sort of help, but messing around with your own body like that is no fucking joke. If you end up regretting transitioning, then youre gonna be fucked big time and will suffer even more than you do now.

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>Men with premature androgenic alopecia tend to have lower than normal values of sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and epitestosterone when compared to men without pattern hair loss[citation needed]
Wow I guess trannies cant read either

>treats effectively
Yess moron TREATS does not CURE

So whats it like being a 5 year old emotionally and intellectually in a failed mans mid 20 year old body?

>tranny claims they got hair regrowth by taking hrt + minodoxil
>user claims that tranny is lying and says to look up minodoxil on wikipedia to confirm
>look up minodoxil on wikipedia and it says it can regrow hair meaning tranny was probably not lying
>user is blatantly wrong and throws a tantrum
you need to relax my dude

>I want to understand why the entire world hates me and wants me to die for having these feelings.
They don't, you only believe they do cause of bullshit internet crying making it seem disproportionately large.
Do what you want, as long as you don't expect other people to do pronoun shit that doesn't match how you look and present yourself and don't cry about words, very few people hate you or want you to die m8. Most people in the world live with a very you do you and leave me alone to do me mentality.

don't let those MK-ultra niggers get to you, man

trannies are a meme

I'm OP. I would never expect anyone to use a pronoun for me that they didn't feel was appropriate and I don't think I could ever bring myself to ask or tell someone to call me she if they didn't want to. I would just hope that through my best efforts she would be their default pronoun for me.

actually thats not what I said
youre reading comprehension is just so low you think i've made a mistake. you WERE wrong about excess testosterone causing MPB.

and yes moron
Minoxidil promotes hair growth and regrowth, but it isnt going to regrow your entire head of hair. This point should just be intuitive to you. It simply prevents the hair loss rate from accelerating and DOES NOT grow hair back on the front of your head, which is exactly where the tranny had the hair loss:
"39% of the men studied had "moderate to dense hair growth on the crown of the head."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil#Hair_growth

youre just so stupid you understand concepts only in simple variations, as a yes or no sort of answer.

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we need a pronoun for failed men like you
im thinking "fe" or something

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It's depressing, really - all these freaks and social engineers driven by politics and fucked up philosophy, fucking with vulnerable people's heads to validate their unnatural conceptions of sex and gender. Injecting them with foreign hormones, mutilating them, without really spending the time to understand the source or how to really fix their problems.

But maybe it serves as accelerationism of some sort, sterilizing said vulnerable people.

They didn't just have minoxodil, they had female hormones too

found this on google
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367483/

stay mad baldie

>single case study
LMAO
like did you honestly think I wasnt going to pick up on this. how fucking dumb are you lel. I just dont get you trannies, you constantly make the most basic and childish mistakes. Trannies truly are just fucking brainlets.

Better to be a brainlet than a hairlet imo

not bald lmao
keep projecting tranny, its only showing how unstable you are

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If you're face doesnt help you then hormones will do little. Like I for example, get confused for a female despite having short hair and wearing male clothes.

Enjoy your suicide you sick, gross, ugly faggot.
When you die, it'll make my day a hell of a lot better.

TRANNIES READ THIS
nobody will ever think of you as female, no matter how many frilly pink dresses you put on, or how many meds you take, or how much makeup you slather on your ghastly face.
You'll always be male. You'll never pass. Nobody will ever, EVER accept you
You'll be dead by your own hand in a few years.

Shut up and lift some weights boy

You're mixing together primary and secondary sexual traits. If you define a man by primary traits then sure say the ability to produce sperm and have a dick.
However if you use secondary traits as in height, fat distribution, bone structure, face structure, voice etc. then things aren't so easy.
Example: pic related
Would you be attracted to them? Because that's a female and going by your logic still being considered a woman. So you dont like women?

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mhm, right buddy

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