Are office jobs better than fast food or retail? People say they suck but they look a lot better than fast food/retail

They're different. Office jobs are awful if you can't do social skills.

I used to stock shelves for retail and the pressure was always to work faster. I just used to stick in my earphones and worked up a sweat. I ended up going from fat to fit and was reasonably happy. I was alone for hours to just work the stock and listen to music/podcasts/audiobooks.

Then I got pushed into officework and now the stress is killing me, and I'm a fat unhappy mess again. The only plus side is better social status and less likelihood of physical injury.

I did that at an internship. It's comfy because I'd listen to podcasts

Yes, office jobs are infinitely better than fast food or retail
>way better pay and benefits
>management treats you like a human being instead of a disposable cog
>coworkers can still be annoying but for the most part they're better than in fast food/retail
>same deal with customers, they can still be annoying to deal with but it's going to be bitchy emails or phone calls instead of some fat nigger losing her shit because you caught her trying to scam you at the register or a senile non-meme boomer having a meltdown because you won't let her use a coupon that expired in 2002
>generally allowed to fuck around on the clock a lot as long as you are meeting goals/numbers, as opposed to fast food where if you are seen slacking off for half a second you will be handed a rag and told to find something to clean
>normal hours and consistent paycheck instead of hours and pay that vary wildly depending on who decides to not show up to work and how shitty of a schedule your manager makes
>holidays off, fuck ever working Black Friday again
>get to work at home sometimes, personally I'm working towards fulltime work at home
t. former fast food and retail wagecuck who is now an office wagie

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What kind of office job? How do i get into office work with only retail experience?

Does this count as bestiality?

What does one even do at an office job? Genuinely asking here

Fast food managers make a lot, but usually need a degree and then they end up being a general manager or district manager. If your going to be a wagie then work for a fine dining place, it will pay better and get more respect as well as better tips.

but I work at subway and half of my shift is spent dicking around on my phone, and the other half is spent putting vegetables on a bun for polite white people. I'm sure fast food is fucking awful if we're talking evening shift at mcdonalds in a nigger neighborhood, but my job is vastly preferable to neetdom.

its that way at a lot of office jobs too. big companies tho, startups wont tolerate it

t. former fortune 5 office worker turned neet

current normie 500 office worker here, what made you become a neet?

Yup can confirm I used to work fast food and it was humiliating. I have a desk job now but my boss literally told me to eat my wheaties on friday because monday I'm going to get hit hard with more work even though I'm already a few days behind.

I don't want to go in tomorrow because of it.

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I just got lucky by being in the right place at the right time by finding a big company that was hiring a lot of entry level people shortly after graduating from college, sorry I don't have more advice.

One more for you.

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I guess it depends where you work. Some office jobs are absolute trash compared to retail.

>way better pay and benefits
Depends. I worked doing tax preparation for 9/hour. Got a 3% commission which averaged out to an extra 6 or 7 dollars per return. Worst part was that the cuck who used to own the place had given all these old fucks a huge discount cause he sold them insurance so they came back expecting us to give them a discount of like 50%, so I ended up getting half as much commission as I should have. Fucking gay cunts. The previous owner was a really nice guy though, his business behavior just pissed me off cause I got fucked by it.

You have little to no prospect of moving up. You aren't learning any new skills or being considered for promotion.

At least with an office job, there is some upward mobility.

for me certainly, because i hate people and having to interact with them, especially customers are the worst kind of people
but if you're a normalfaggot who likes that kinda stuff i guess it's better than office jobs

From my own experience:
Call center: literal hell
Retail: sucks shit as a day job, comfy tier if you work nights
Warehouse: top comfy if you're physically fit, especially nights, just make sure you get promoted to the position of a coordinator/manager, so you get to walk around and do fuck all
Office: depends on working conditions, typically soulsucking as fuck, but can be offset with Internet/audiobooks/porn availability

I like telling customers "no" in retail. The company I work at is getting liquidated so we have a "no customer service" policy in place and so anything someone needs anything you HAVE to say "no I cant". Its pretty amazing, disappointing people all day, at least when it's on purpose.

Fast food managers make like 35k dude
That's not a lot

I work at a comfy sushi restaurant. Small staff, regular customers, nice upper class area. I walk out with at least $100 on slow nights, up to $300 on busy nights. I work like 12 hours a week but make $4000 a month

I've never had a job that wasn't 75% fucking around. Not even trying to hide it, just widespread boss-sanctioned wall propping

i work at a call center, its okay. some days i feel like quitting, other days i feel like working overtime, it all depends.

Why are you under the impression that I'm arguing fast food is better than office work? I'm just saying it's better than unemployment and isn't always as bad as people make it out to be.

Worked all 3, and in my experience, not at all. Entry-level office job pays about the exact same but is 20x more responsibility and your coworkers are all normie douchebags.

Working in fast food paid the least, and I hated how stressful it could be, but all my coworkers and supervisors were great and relatable people. We were all losers, and there was a great sense of camaraderie. I really didn't mind going into work even though I was making pennies and struggling to get by. Retail was the most chill by far. Pretty easy and slow-paced work, good coworkers, more breaks, and much better pay.

My office job is just as fast-paced and high-stress as fast food, but when I fucked up at McDonald's all that happened was that my boss would be slightly annoyed. If I fuck up at the office, management wants my head on a platter because I'm losing them money. And all of my coworkers are complete normies, mostly a bunch of Stacies, who only talk about who's getting married and sports. Not like in retail, where it was all younger people and stoners, and we talked about anime and video games all day. I also get zero benefits, zero opportunity for upward mobility, and less pay than my fucking retail job. I thought it'd be good experience but so far, it's my worst job yet, plus I'm only getting 11 bucks an hour, which is miserable for the amount of work I do.

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They're just a different kind of hell, it's NOTHING like on sitcoms. Most of your coworkers will be bitter childless roasties who gossip and start drama all day.

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Office jobs seem to go slow as fuck. I probably would not stand it sitting all day on the computer punching numbers in a cubicle.

This. It's the easiest position with less stress unless you are short on managers and you have to do a lot of stuff.

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>getting a degree to make 35k
How the hell do people do this?

The worst part of working in the office is that you have to interact with lazy roasties who want nothing more than to dump their workload on you. I miss my warehousing days when I was surrounded by semi-drunk dudes in their 40s who operated forklifts on pure instinct

I work at like a cafe/fast food place. It is fast and stressful, I work too long, get up at shit times, and customers can be pieces of shit. But then other days I can have the time of my life. I joke with customers, make them laugh and they can be very kind to me. My colleagues can be real idiots but they're fun, too. And I'm just good enough that even when I fuck up massively I get away with it because I'm established there long enough, getting promoted.

It's kind of pathetic but it's my own little world I have now, but I do like it. I'm used to it, I can do it, and I have fun doing it. I'm really passionate about some aspects of my work so it helps a lot.

I wish my life was better, but at least at this place I make it work.

>engineer that sits at desk all day
>tell mom I am thinking of quitting my job
>and after quitting to do some self study and prepare for a career change
>she wails on me for 3 hours about how I'm a piece of shit who never did anything on my own and how I barely made it out of college with a 3.0
>lose hope and perish all thoughts of quitting
>gf sounds relieved when I tell her I perished all thoughts of quitting
fucking neets and roasties won't be able to leech off my money once I shotgun my brains out

Big 4 accounting. They take anyone with a pulse and a half completed accounting major. Good luck with busy season though, it gets brutal.

whatever you do, don't be a fucking mechanic
it will fucking ruin your hands and you will make a shit wage.

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drop GF.drop mom and change number

get a dog(preferably German Shepard)and smoke some weed.

worked for me

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I wouldn't say the pay is good, and benefits are quickly vanishing. Management treats you like a number, there are 900 other guys lined up to take your job. You're not allowed to "fuck around on the job", I do several hours a day but I do it on the downlow. I only have about 3 hours of work a day so I just get it done then fuck around rest of the day in a sneaky way. You're chained to a fucking chair so long you start getting back pain. For some reason at home I can use my laptop all day and be fine but at work I get eyepain like crazy after hour 6.
But on the plus side some days I don't even say a word to anyone. Come in, boot up, clack some shit, and chill. But it's like being trapped in a wagecage, you can't just go for a walk or anything. I'm already planning an escape because if I had to do this the rest of my life I'd shoot myself.
Bartending was the best job I ever had. except mopping floors. Man, fuck that. But god damn it was fun, and I loved talking to customers.
I literally just click stuff all day. A monkey could do it, but for some reason it "requires" a fifty thousand dollar college degree.
Only good part is that I don't have to mop floors anymore.
Damn. I did tax prep at 15 and thought I was getting screwed.
>these assholes expect me to tip them
>I work 40 hours a week and make like 3200 a month before tax

I don't get people like you. If I had a nice engineering job I would buckle down and live like a monk, saving every last penny I have for a few years and then using that to either start my own business, buy a home, or travel as long as I can. You dumb niggas make 60k+ a year and have no savings, it's pathetic

For real? I heard it was hard to get into. Well, fuck them anyway, I don't do 50 hours a fucking week.

Literally any job is better than fast food/retail. They pay like shit, and are the lowest common denominator of occupation, that now even the employees take pride in. I wouldn't even call those jobs, "jobs",

Menial labor is one thing, but even if you had a business cutting grass, at least you'd be proud of the finished product. At least you can look at that grass you cut for 10$ an hour which is ironically still more than what you would get paid at fast food/retail and say to yourself "Damn I did a good job". You'll literally never say that after making a person's sloppy shitty food, or hanging shirts on a wall.

That's literally how devastatingly low fast food and retail is, it's not just soul less. There's are tons of soul less jobs, but at least you an take pride in them. you can tell a person I work at an office and someone will say "oh cool". You'll never get any pride or satisfaction, or fulfillment working at fast food or retail. That's why nobody stays there for more than a few months. I'd hardly even call them jobs, they're more like temporary money grabbers.

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I've never worked fast food or catering, but prefer retail or warehouse to office shit.
Office work may have been cosy 30 years ago but nowadays they're just as obsessed with worker productivity as anywhere else. Plus, as mentioned, sitting in a chair 8+ hours a day really does fuck with your back.
What I will say, however, is if you work shit-tier for a prolonged period of time it's almost impossible to get back in the swing of office-based employment. You become conditioned to your environment.
>if you're on the corporate gravy train, think hard before you jump off

People worth shit (acc grads with a few years of experiene under their belt) wouldn't subject themselves to the sweatshop factory that is your average Big 4 firm. That's why they take starry-eyed, no experience acc major students/ recent grads to do their heavy lifting(numbers crunching?) for them. Until they quit and a new batch of noobs comes to replace them.

>I did tax prep at 15 and thought I was getting screwed.
WTF? Where?

>tfw been working a food service job for 9 / hour for 2-1/2 years
>tfw 24
>tfw drive around doing events and promoting for my boss for this shit wage
This hit home.

Everyone shits on fast food and those working there, but almost all of those people are completely happy to get a subway or mcdonalds from them if they're feeling hungry.

Just Quit my dude, go back to trade school, or community college and get your life together. Those jobs are memes for people with low prospects to make some sort of money. Those quote on quote "Jobs" are literally a place that cucks people that can't make a lot of money into being stuck that way for even longer, without offering even the lowest of accommodations for their employees like upward mobility or sales commissions, literally the only thing they have are vacation days. And those aren't even the companies obligations, it's the state.

Get out while you can mate, do yourself a service, I've worked in those positions long enough to get the fuck out. Why else do you think there's so many dedicated retarded boomers working there? At every Waffle House you'll find a Demented old Lady, That started there just like many as just a job, that'll get em by. A job where one day they'll move on to better things, and find a better occupation, with a higher pay, and get a better life. But like prison after you've been behind those thick walls for so long they start to become familiar, and gradually they lose all ambition and progress as their cell becomes more and more comparable to what they're used to.

Don't be like those demented boomers, or like that old Lady that has no business working at Waffle House user, Free yourself.. Like Now. I recommend online classes, they're generally easy as fuck because of google, and they're legitimate now.

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People who complain working fast food that have never worked a drive thru shift by yourself have no right to complain at all.

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Try bartending at a pub, dealing with drunks, psychopaths and assholes that expect fine dining service at a fucking pub with one bartender on the floor.

>tfw debt collecting outbound calling.
>12/hr 9-6 with no benefits, sick days, paid holiday or vacation time.

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I've only worked in warehouses before but now I'm a retailcuck, in all the jobs I've had I've never been able to relax or take it slow, it just makes me think that maybe the grass isn't greener on the office job side so it probably depends what position you get, I don't really know what to look for but I can't be bothered with physical jobs anymore, so I'm with you OP.

Dunno but I recently got a package handling factory job. Pretty comfy and I enjoy being paid to work out.

As an office worker, I feel relieved when my boss asks me to do something physical like stacking boxes or delivering envelopes.

When I had labor jobs, I felt relieved when my boss asked me to sit down and do some paperwork.

In other words, What sucks is having to exert yourself in one manner (physical or mental) for the whole day. Ideally, the best job is where you would do a variety of activities.

My nigga
I hope you are preparing your anus for peak
You will learn to hate christmas trees

I've been warned about peak season for the few weeks I've worked. The week following labor day was my most intense week so far but only a tiny taste of how bad holiday season is. I'll be mentally prepared when the time comes hopefully.

I work in a factory and its mind numbing if you arnt good at daydreaming or socializing with coworkers but its 100x better then dealing with customers.

>english degree
>masters in information science
>6 figs within 4 years
>debt free
>tech industry

Working as a night shift delivery driver for a pizza joint or a Jimmy Johns is pretty comfy desu. Most of your shift is just driving around quiet suburban streets, listening to music and dropping off food to drunk people. Worst part is when you don't have any deliveries to make, but no one expects you to do shit in-shop because you're just the driver, so they give you some piss easy time killing task before the next order pops up.
Sometimes you'll get a shithead customers that are bitching about stupid shit or trying to scam the store, but you can just tell them to call the store and talk to the manager. The same manager that has had to deal with shithead customers literally thousands of times in the past month and is so sick of their shit that he automatically takes your side.

On slow nights I averaged about $15/hr. Fast nights about 20. The cost of gas and car repairs cuts into your profit though. All in all a really chill job.

Fuck both fast food and office work. Enter a 99% male industry like construction.

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>boss decides to start a project and asks you to collect data on how often X happens when you do Y
>make a spreadsheet over the next couple days comparing X and Y
>pass on my data to someone else so they can fact-check it for accuracy, while I look at someone elses work to do the same
>Discuss how we are going to pull our project together and post it on our website in a meeting
>answer emails from people asking for help on random tasks
>make weekly reports to talk about what you accomplished
>stare out the window when it starts raining and laugh at everyone running on the sidewalk
that's how it is for me

Restaurant manager here.
>mfw my job is literally just making a few phone calls a day

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how does one get an office job?
>inb4 dont get one
im still curios on how

Well I got mine out of college because I did an internship.
I would say an industry where you can get an office job without relevant experience is in insurance. Try looking around for job postings for Insurance underwriter, Claims adjuster, car damage assesment, that kind of stuff. You'd have to be good with talking on the phone though.

or if you can type fast, look for administrative assistant jobs

It depends on the office. Any job if the workload is okay and the people are okay.

thanks for the answers boyo

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What about payroll, scheduling and inventory?

>payroll
Accounting does it
>scheduling
This is the phone call part
>inventory
Done twice a month, and all I do is stay late for a few more hours to monitor it.

>construction
Working around illegals and convicts outdoors in scorching summers and freezing winters isn't better than working around roasties in an air conditioned/heated building.

Poor management personality is the only true worry you should ever have when trying to get a job in the service industry. Any personality disorder that you detect (but really just OCPD) can leave you feeling so exhausted that you'd rather do what you normally do that kills the environment but do it at least 10-fold.

>be me
>work in office
>turn up
>get my laptop out of locker
>fire that badboy up and plug it into my dual screens
>sit and do no work 90% of the day because I have no work unless it's assigned to me
>coffee machines, ice water dispensers, microwaves, fridges and freezers; can have a homemade feast at lunchtime
>work I do get is interesting most of the time
>boss is based 300 miles away so no one looking over my shoulder and he's chill anyway
>literally no one around me works with me or has any authority over me so no one cares and they are all doing the same thing anyway
>barely anyone in the office is older than 30 so everyone is pretty social and chatty if you want
>can just put headphones on and listen to music and people will think youre in a skype meeting and leave you alone if you want
>taken out to nice restaurants and shit on expenses regularly
>pension contribution (that I don't use), private healthcare, car schemes etc. etc. etc.
>an hour for lunch but can take as long as you want really so long as you get work done
>actual career progression

I've never worked in fast food but I'd imagine this is better than being shouted at to flip burgers for seven hours straight every day. Not even bragging about any of this as most office work is like this and most anons will be in the same situation, I'd guess public sector workers maybe don't have so many of the same office perks though.

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Did you work up or did you get a degree? I'm convinced that working up as a loser with a bachelor's is impossible as I can't even meme my way into the job.

What kind of job should I look for to get this level of comfy?

Depends entirely on the job and our boss. You can be doing mind numbing work but a good boss makes it bareable and although it will never be Dunder Mifflin, it can get a cozy feel.

Other times your boss makes you want to take a long trip to the short rope store.

90% of restuarant managers have no degree unless you work at a high end corporate place in manhattan or something.

Welp, I guess it's time to get into HR and then franchise my savings away.

I would rather flip burgers than sit behind a computer in a neutral colored cubicle beneath buzzing fluorescent lighting in a neutral colored room filled with other miserable slaves in their respective cubes pounding on a cheap neutral colored keyboard.

I work in marketing, but really there's a lot of fields where it'll be like this, not like everyone where I work is doing the same thing as me.

Pay attention to what level of interest you get in the hiring process, if they treat you like shit when hiring you, your job probably wont be comfy. If they spend time on the phone before the interview trying to sell you on the job, seem interested in you at the interview, travelled a distance for the interview or paid for you to travel for the interview, the interview/interviews were long, you got a tour of the offices and no one looks busy, were assigned a person you could ask questions over email or phone when getting hired, probably they are looking to hire people rather than numbers and it'll be comfy.

Last job I was at was the total opposite of the above, they interviewed me over the phone for 15 minutes and gave me the job. When I showed up (they didn't even give me a start date, they just told me on friday "yeah you got it" and I had to guess they wanted me there next monday) I didn't get a access card for two weeks and had to check in with security every day, didn't get my work gear assigned to me for a long time, didn't even speak to my boss until three weeks in etc. I got lucky and it was still relatively comfy though because I was a subcontractor, the company I worked for was dogshit but the company who owned the place I worked (and was I guess my customer) was half decent. Again it was another job where my boss was hundreds of miles away and I didn't have any work unless it was given to me.

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I work in a call center, to say its draining is an understatement, I am paying off all my debts and quitting, fuck its so hard working ft but ft in a call center and full time in school makes me want to fucking kill someone.

call center work lol

So these are all marketing jobs? Shit I picked the wrong major.

Generally yes but certain kinds of office jobs are honestly worse than being a retail worker.

Cold-call sales are technically in an office but I'd literally rather do anything else, with the exception of door-to-door sales and maybe jobs that involve me killing people.

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>used to hate customers in customer service like you guys
>old call center job made me sell shit that wasn't even related to our company
>felt like we were tricking gullible old people so I felt bad about it and tried not to
>quality scores suffered and I was viewed as bottom of the barrel there
>get a new call center job
>instead of talking to people like they are humans, I pretend it's a sophisticated AI that has convincing text speech in it
>treat it like a video game, me vs ai
>goal: to check all the marks on quality without letting the AI know you don't even think they're human, while also resolving whatever issue they have
>currently top ranked in the center, next in line for a promotion when a position opens up

Changed my world view desu... they have me teaching the new classes sometimes and pairing newbies with me to learn the ropes when they can't do something right. The only time the AI beats me is when they're in tech like I am and our conversations become more candid and the call lasts long enough that nobody will ever listen to it.

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What major?

I didn't do my degree in marketing anyway, none of the people in the team I'm in did to my knowledge. The global head of marketing at the firm I'm at did her degree in German Linguistics or some shit like that.

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Poli sci gibffhkn

>other than maybe students making some part-time cash
I'm in uni, have no friends, and a relatively small workload so far, so I work at a fast food place that's a 5 minutes walk from my dorm.
I work fridays and saturdays for 6 hour shifts, and get a decent amount of money cause I'm making $8.50 an hour.
Honestly, I like it cause it makes me value my freetime more.

ive never worked fast food but have done retail.food service. food service was much better since i could whore myslef out for tips but working in the clothing store was great since customers used to ask me out all the time. office jobs are awful but at least you dont need to work weekend and you have a steady paycheck, you just need to make sure you are getting into a position with upwards mobility

>having a job of any kind in 2018
Not worth it IMO

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It depends on the chain and the level. I met a taco bell district manager making like 140k.

Nigga what. My old dunkin donuts manager made 13/hr after working there 5 years.

get a technical/union job, good job security in most cases and you can make a living off of it

District managers are a level above managers.

I work a mid level state accounting job, staff level. It started at around 50k and will end at 75k or so in a few years. They take a lot out of your checks though. Cost of 200 dollars to park by work, costs 1 percent of your pay to cover douchbag retirees medical costs from the prior generation. Costs about 1 percent to be in a union. All in all they I mediate take a litt,e over 1/3 back, then property and other random taxes screw you out of more until eventually you get go keep half or a little less.