Religion is objectively retarded thread

All kinds of electromagnetic radiation can be detected, either with the eye, or machines, but they are still detectable.

I live and grew up with the most die-hard Christfags imaginable. Let me tell you something, OP: you will never, NEVER convince them of anything, and saying anything about it will only cause resentment. The best thing to do is to just let them be happy in their beliefs, regardless of whether it's bullshit or not. They're not really hurting anyone besides themselves.

>they tell you that they don't care if their beliefs can be empirically explained
>miss the point and ask for empirical evidence anyway
>act surprised when they call you out for being antagonistic

you seem bright

>get in civil debate with evangelical christian
That was your first mistake. Religion is inherently based on "faith", that is, it doesn't involve logic; it's all made-up bullshit without any proof. You can't convince people who don't use logic that they're wrong using logic.

Alright cool. What about stuff like justice and honesty and virtue, do they exist?

Faith isn't supposed to be provable, retard. That's why it's faith.

There's a difference between subjective truth and objective truth.

Religion exists to make people feel happy and forget about the world. It's another escapism because the world is really objectively shit. You try and break people out of this hyperreality and they will obviously get mad at you.
The real question though op is why are you doing it? Nothing of value can be gained by "waking" these people up. Often times religion is self induced because many normalites can't handle reality. So they have to make up reasons to keep living to push themselves out of bed each morning.

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I'm not asking about what's true I'm asking about what exists. Lies exist, right? But they're not truth.

So what if it is retarded? If they're not bothering you about it then why do you care?
You think just like an evangelical who gets irritated because people want to have gay sex in the privacy of their own homes and has to explain to them why gays are a genetic burden on society.

Your personal feelings about religion are not more important than theirs. Get over yourself.

Also, get purged infidel

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Most people have their religions bestowed upon them at birth, so challenging another person's religion is a lot like challenging their mother/father's parenting. Of course they will lash out with empty rhetoric and ad hominem. It's best not to debate them on it unless they try to use aggression with justification from their religion.

What he said, it might not be true, and is often demonstrably false, but it provides them with comfort.

It's redundant for him to even use that phrase.

Colors not visible on the human spectrum are observable with technology, also we know that the smallest a wavelength can be is the planck length.

Only as concepts within our minds, same goes for everything else. There is no such thing as a chair, we just observe an arrangement of matter and declare it to be a chair. Also moving the goal post lawl

LOL. Truth by definition is objective.

Get that warm load of reason all over your neck and chest.

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>Only as concepts within our minds, same goes for everything else
So something doesn't have to be physically made of matter to exist?
>Also moving the goal post lawl
What goal posts? I was asking a completely different question.

Nope, like I said before, the chair doesn't exist, only the matter that constructs it.

Also google.com moving the goalpost

>deitycucks actually 100% believe their religion is true when there is a mutually exclusive religion whose adherents also have 100% certainty in their belief

btfo the fuck out lmao

So you're saying our interpretation of an arrangement of matter doesn't exist, only the matter itself? I'm sorry user I'm just not getting it.

I'm not changing the criteria of one question, I'm asking multiple different questions in order to narrow down OP's definition of what exists.

What do you mean by mutually exclusive religions?

Bingo

Some religions contradict each other in big ways, what I suppose he meant.

most people would agree that, for example, christianity and islam are mutually exclusive. unless you're a pluralismcuck lmao

>our interpretation of an arrangement of matter doesn't exist, only the matter itself
i thought that was obvious

>There is no such thing as a chair, we just observe an arrangement of matter and declare it to be a chair.

That's because you're too big of a brainlet to identify a chair and its being. Just like you're too big of a brainlet to identify justice or the spiritual.

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If a chair exists then how come I can chop it up and use it as firewood? Surely a chair isn't firewood!

LOL not an argument

>this guy thinks he is plato

Atheism is also mutully exclusive with religion. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here

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please don't mischaracterize Plato. Plato's entire forms concept was basically that chairs don't exist, people just try to replicate the perfect concept of chairdom in an imperfect manner. Kind of simular to what you're saying

Not ever chair is made out of wood though

That's not me

>Not ever chair is made out of wood though
so only chairs that are made out of wood aren't chairs? They're firewood?

>chairdom

sounds sexy

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True justice relies on an inherent good and bad, of which there is none. It also relies on truth and transparency when it comes to judging. Anyone can figure out/ be given a clever way out of "justice" if they are clever/have enough resources at their disposal.

I am confusion

QUICK everyone become trip fags like me.

That's what I'm trying to ask you. A chair is something that is designed to be sit on, right? You can't sit on firewood, or maybe if you can that's not it's designed purpose, so we can't call it a chair.

Religion literally just exists because of the tradition of getting children into it before they can think critically generation after generation. If it never existed and we were at the level of civilization we're currently at, and someone came up with it, it would only be a fringe group. We'd look at it the way we look at any cult. But you impress it on people from birth and most of them go on thinking it's super important and they have to bring their own children into it when they become adults.

>you can't sit on firewood
even if it's shaped like this?

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dips fedorov

but then it's not firewood anymore, because it's not designed to be burned, it's designed to be sat on.

About your believes, one may ask:
>What are "atoms".
Atoms are very small, you can't see them, but adding them together they form what you call a chair, a pen, this rock or that tree, this dirt, that gold watch, a bird and an insect. Even me and you are made of atoms.
>But what are atoms, how to you know they exist if you can only see them as form like you enumerated?
I'm not so well versed in science to answer this on the spot, but you can learn everything in books or read the wikipedia article to gain an understanding.
>So you don't know what atoms really are?
I know they exist, I understand them enough and, also, many people agree with me.
>What is gravity?
It's a force attracting masses together. We might not see it directly, but its effect is objective *drop pen*.
>Since you saw the pen move, toward the ground, gravity exist?
It's not that simple, but I can easily find the complete answer online.
>What is the universe?
It was created by the big bang 13.something billions of years ago. Everything we experience is the result of particles obeying physical and chemicals laws set at this moment. Imagine a computer running a program, we're the program being run following strict rules that can't be broken. Before you ask, it's all written in books revered by millions.
>Who wrote these books?
Scientists, rigorously observing objectively the world to understand it.
>But if these books are written by human with only their senses to objectively observe the world, can you really trust them?
>How can you have such blind faith in ideas constructed by human minds?
>Did you notice anything not coming from the senses? How would you explain it?
Obviously I trust them, I can see everywhere around me the truth of their claims in this phone and that car and all the modern amenities only science brought us.
You're naif, your mind is a collection of neurons powered by chemicals, this consciousness is simply a product of this fact.
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a hypocrite you are, for trusting chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemcals

Ikea didn't design that piece of firewood to be sat on though, they designed it to be sold for profit

>i can quote image macros
wow

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>Is this more gospel of your religion?
I know that I'm right and stating facts, even if I can't fully explain the truth myself.
Nothing can convince me otherwise.
>What is science, if not the process of finding patterns in the seemingly infinite number of input our senses receive? And to then find patterns so repetitive that they are made laws, updating a previous one.
>In this ever changing process, how can you point static information in books and claim absolute truth, absolute knowledge?
>Once this static information isn't updated for a while, will you be tempted to make it a pillar for the truth to stand on?
**Fuck you, person who may or may not be a relative. You're stupid, and full of lies. I'm not changing my views I know to be right.**
You're right.
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Yeah why the fuck would people want to believe all their loved ones are in a better place instead of just rotting bags of meat in the ground. Being such a judgemental asshole is the reason why you're still single.

American protestants are usually retarded beyond reason, but it doesn't mean there are no intellectual christians.

You have to realize God is a sacred cow to these people. It's like Santa claus or the Easter bunny. They have much to loose from destroying god.

I dont want to believe in a god but i want to believe in an afterlife, its weird the idea of nothingness scares me despite never being able to experience it

>It was created by the big bang
Ah yes. That thing atheists have no concrete proof of but believe in anyway. Sounds familiar.

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We have plenty of evidence for the big bang.

Cosmic microwave background radiation? We can observe that the universe appears to have started from a singularity, though, inflation is more accurate as far as terminology.

That's more than we can say about god, though.

God is more a way of life than anything else. One doesn't have to deny anything worldly to have faith in God and gain real benefice in his life by practicing what he believe to be true.
You could insist your God is better or that you have no God and it's way better, but that would be pointless.

Honest to god good bait

>religion is retarded because i argued with a retard
What a fucking retard op is

It's opium.

Have you ever tried to get a junkie off heroin? Not easy.

>(false stories) provide them with comfort.

I was muslim for 31 years. Trust me, false stories do not provide comfort. Cognitive dissonance is a hellish experience.

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>lol look it's isabelle she's cutesy but she also does violent combat isn't it so ironic
i'm so fucking sick of this overdone meme, and we have to endure MONTHS more of it. i hate you so fucking much ahhhfhghhj GET OUT NOWWW

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>If me no see it, it not real

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>if my jewish master says its real, it's real

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That's how I'd describe irreligion. Most people would rather live in a world with no standards than severe ones. And don't say Christianity is easy, it's fucking hard and painful.

>You have either believe in either the 3 jewish religions or soulless materialism.

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If you didn't notice, we're creature of habit. You can make compelling argument about how humans always have addiction, may it be to some drug, religion, friendship, sex, money, science, learning, sport, internet.
Most don't notice it, but we're complete addict to air. Just like the heroin junky uses the syringe to carry his divine nectar into his craving body, the air addict pump his volatile particles with lungs into to the body, fulfilling its craving for a few instant.

God is opium.
God is air.
Could it be both at the same time? Is opium air? Air opium?

God is an explination for the insanity of late capitalist hellscapes.

Oh my an explination for the insanity of late capitalist hellscapes!
I get it now.

>*tips Varg*

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Christcuck owned epic style

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tendies tendies gimme gimmie

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underageb&
Should you ever mature a bit you'd see that arguing about religion is a waste of time and no one cares except your ego that needs to feel smugly intelligent over people to either draw attention or fight off the inferiority complex. Arguing about religion is autofellatio for teenage autists.

>explain how things in the physical universe are demonstrably true
You didn't do that, no one can.

What type of edgy brainlet is still wasting his time ""debating"" religion in the current year. You can't be out of high school yet

>I don't what atoms are
This is junior high level science. Amos are made up of electrons neutrons and protons with smaller particles composing them such as gravatons.
>read books
user you need to read books to convey the information. You're doing the same thing as a Christian saying "Read the Bible and then you'll understand."

>evangelical christian: i believe in thing for no reason other than because an old book said it and i choose to believe it and i feel like it's right
>me, nonbeliever: k.
>END SCENE

i'm literally autistic and even i know to just say "okay cool" and let people believe whatever they fuck they want to believe, assuming that belief doesn't impact me ("death to infidels" when they think i'm an infidel is a bad example of what i mean obviously)

you can fight/interrogate the religious about their religiosity or you can just carry the fuck on and worry about your own shit.

>anything past 2010
>still tipping the fedora

>If it never existed and we were at the level of civilization we're currently at, and someone came up with it, it would only be a fringe group.

We would never have got to this level of civilization without religion. Fuck your "what if" conjecture, all we have is a species which created religion in every single isolated society without a single exception. It's literally in EVERY society. Humanity and religion being intertwined is fact, your idea is fantasy and hypothetical

human sacrifice and ritual scarification was practiced in most early societies too but

>We have plenty of evidence for the big bang.

Please remember to thank your local catholic for this

Literally doesn't counter anything I said. Infact you're just admitting religious beliefs affect a civilizations morality while trying to claim religion isn't necessary for a civilization

why isn't human sacrifice and ritual scarification still a part of modern religious life in the west

Why are you switching to a new question after your previous statement was demolished

because i'm not the original user you were arguing with, fuckhead. i am a different user asking you a different question.