>deadlifted 455lbs for one hours ago
>tfw 1.5/2.5/3.5/4.5 as a natty lifter for 4+ years
Had many setbacks like injury, laziness and depression but this is my result. I’m also cutting which means I’m losing weight, but lifts seems to be doing well.
Is 2/3/4/5 possible for a natty?
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i know 1 person who's reached 2/3/4/5 and they're half natty (ex bodybuilder) personal trainer of 10-12 years lifting
Not for everyone, genetics play a big part
>half natty
Once a gear user, always a gear user.
Changes in androgen receptor count, hematocrit, myonuclei and even the hyperplasia induced by steroid use is permanent.
One cycle gives benefits for life that a natural lifter will never have.
The 2 plate ohp is way harder, I’m at 190 lbs natty at 3/4.5/5.5 with only 185 ohp
yes, it's possible, but a 225 overhead press is very uncommon
405 squat and 500lb deadlift are not uncommon at all, 315 bench too
this is also true, though, not everyone is going to be capable of reaching those lifts, if you have a small frame or poor response to training some or all of those may be out of reach for you
What kind of squat?
Wtf is a half natty
irrelevant question really, the difference between highbar and lowbar is like 5-10% at most
you're not gonna put another plate on your squat by going a little less deep and putting the bar 3 inches lower
>half natty
So I assume you do low bar squat?
Doesnt the lowbar require more glute and posterior chain interaction compared to the highbar squat? More muscles involed = more weight being moved
I'm a natty lifter of 1.5 years
Bench: 275x3
Squat: 415x3
Deadlift: 455x5
Yes, it's possible. Anyone that gives a shit can reach it.
highbar, also i'm not not really, that's just Rippetoe's retarded misunderstanding that people parrot
what moving the bar down really does is shorten the moment arm between your hips and the bar, making the movement more efficient, and also because of the forward lean (which has to happen to keep bar over midfoot with lower position) the knees also do not travel as far forward so the quads also have a smaller moment to overcome, you are not going to see significantly more posterior chain activation from doing lowbar
you have some very above average response to training if those numbers are accurate
is this 1RM or set weights?
Nuckoks is too big on PL theory. Nothing he says ever seems to translate into practice for the vast majority of guys. That being said the guys fucking fantastic in general, just sometimes misses the mark IMO.
Help me guys. I'm 190 with 1/2/4/5
there's nothing we can do for you my long armed friend
Get the natty chip off your shoulder mate. Of course it’s possible
big hmmmm
can you be more specific? all the superficial evidence seem to point to the opposite
are you mentally handicapped
Source pls, don't want it to be true but will swallow the black pill if it is
There was a study in mice that showed this to be the case.
>Hyperplasia and Myonuclei are higher even after use stops
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>Myonuclei and satellite cell activation is higher in steroid users (protip: even when muscle atrophies it doesn't undergo apoptosis)
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>Steroid users have higher myonuclei and capillary count throughout muscle tissue
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>Myonuclei is permanently higher after steroid use
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Hope that's enough for you bros.
This is why "muscle memory" is real and not just broscience, right?
Yes, and while these adaptations do occur through natural lifting (as well as CNS changes), they are immensely higher in a steroid user and go far beyond what a natural lifter (excluding genetic outliers) can achieve.
It's true.
But in 80% of cases the test levels and or the virility of the steroid users is permanently lowered meaning that they'll never ever be able to fully capitalize on that.
Doesn't it raise estrogen if you stop?
>But in 80% of cases the test levels and or the virility of the steroid users is permanently lowered meaning
citation needed, your 80% figure is a total asspull and you know it
also lowered virility means fucking nothing for muscle gain, none of those guys blasting a gram of test have viable sperm probably but they're all jacked as shit
i made 2/3/4/5 (235, 355, 425, 555) as a natty, and the OHP was definitely the biggest accomplishment. every single pound over 185 felt like an eternal struggle.
but perseverance and consistency will trump all OP. you may progress slowly, you may not be larry wheels, but keep at it with proper form (injuries are what destroy lifters, natty or not)
as long as you remain smart and motivated, you can continue to progress well into your 30's, at which point i'd recommend transitioning to a more balanced approach to lifting
good luck OP, not many people on this earth will feel the pride and satisfaction of having their own personal hard work reap the rewards in a tangible, numerical way.
similar deadlift #s but my presses are so so so so far behind yours
1 RM for Deadlifts
3 for OHP, Squat and Bench Press
Yes
t. 2/3.5/5.5/6.5 as a natty with under 4 years of training
if i had to credit my presses to anything, it would be my utter infatuation with dips, i've done 4 plates around my waist for 2 reps
dips are a godsend, i can hammer them without feeling like it's affecting my recovery , they require you to learn impeccable shoulder stability, plus no one really gave a crap at the gym when i pressed , but everyone stares at heavy dips.
weighted dips/chins should be trained with the same fervor and dedication as the primary lifts
Doesn't matter. A steroid user can still step on stage in a natural competition after 5 years.
Take Julian Smith for example. Admitted to Pro Hormone use, but claims natural. Faggots and DYELs believe him
what do you credit your relatively poor squat to, just not caring about it or did you get hurt?
I have very similar lifts OP.
5’ 10” 220lbs perma bulk tho.
I think 2/3/4/5 is possible natty.
But I doubt 99% of people that claim it
TLDR; jellyfat
They're accurate. Form may not be the perfect, but it's still pretty good. To be fair, I did run track in high school, but we didn't really lift weights, so idk.
>To be fair, I did run track in high school, but we didn't really lift weights, so idk.
the athletic background is helpful for sure but those lifts in that timeframe is not a result of that, you just have some really good genetics for strength
you should consider singing up for a powerlifting meet or something
>Admitted to Pro Hormone use, but claims natural.
Welp. The word ceases to mean anything, then.
I'm 193 lbs, 5' 11". Been "serious" for about 7 years. Med school and residency fucked my progress though. My best lifts are 1.5/2.5/4.5/6. I suck at upper body pressing. 2345 is achievable by most natties, but the 2 is by far the hardest.
Guess I’m doing gear now
I've been lifting seriously for about 3 years, but i was already in decent shape to begin with. I'm 6'1, 205 lbs, ~13% bf, lifting 2/3/4/5
all natty btw
You mean it took 3 years to reach 2/3/4/5?
little less, plus a shoulder injury. Could have been done faster if I was more dedicated
Where did you start from?
Genetics are everything, but i think those numbers are achievable for anyone who isn't a 5'2'' wristlet with child frame. Some people can reach it in a year, some take 5+ years, but most people are capable as long as they are not pajeet. Larry Wheels got to 2/3/4/5 for REPS when he was 16 before he started roiding. He knew absolutely nothing about proper strength training, only had 2 years under his belt, and was just a curlbro. Yeah he's probably 98th percentile for strength genetics, but being over 6'3'' is also 98th percentile (i'm pretty sure?)
>tfw 5/4/2.5/1.5
>after 5 years of constant sickness
Fuck SoCal
hitting proper depth, not utilizing a bounce, caring more about training the muscle than the number.
>socal
pls be my fren
>Yeah he's probably 98th percentile for strength genetics
i laughed so hard at this, holy shit lmao you're delusional
larry wheels 99.9999th percentile
You can't make that claim at all because lifting weight for so long and so hard is extremely niche, not to mention he started using roids so early on there's no telling if he would have been able to get very far at all. Perhaps the combination of his height, frame, leverages etc. all contribute to his insane strength are 99.99th percentile but surely not his actual muscle genetics.
There are guys like Pete Rubish, George Leeman, Jacko Gill, John Haack etc that we can observe have reached an elite level before roiding (Pete and Jack are arguably more impressive than Larry). What would they be like if they blasted as much as he does? There's no telling how many people out there can reach his level. 95th percentile is probably more accurate, but i went with 98 just to be safe.
Yea agreed; I use a safety bar for squats and I'm at 3.5 plates, nearing 5pl diddly. Bench is already at 3 plates. But my strict OHP is roughly 185 and has been stalled for awhile. I'll hit the 3/4/5 way before 2pl OHP (assuming I hit it).
whats your height and weight?
mirin 5pl8 overhead press
How long have/had you been training natty before hitting those numbers?
5'8. 203.2lbs this morning. currently cutting
OP here. I'm a Pajeet.
>half natty
how the fuck is pete more impressive than larry? he deadlifts marginally more but gets outbenched and outsquatted by huge margins
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He's also 30lbs lighter and actually hits depth when he squats. Larry just has a monster bench over pete, but consider the fact that pete doesn't even train bench for most of the year, and his 485 is actually pretty good compared to Larry's last grinder 585 in comp.