Sexual orientation and gender preferences. A fascinating topic, and I never imagined that I would someday take all my scraps of analysis and thinking and organize them into something solid, or post something other than a 2 sentence shitpost on Jow Forums. But here we are.
Porn conditioning is very powerful, and it's easy to go down the slippery slope of masturbating to more and more fucked up videos. Since the mind is in a heightened state during masturbation, it absorbs the images and concepts like a sponge, and before long you find yourself more and more attracted to it - thank neuroplasticity for that.
It is also my belief that the taboo factor makes these types of videos interesting to the individual before viewing them. An individual can be curious about the idea of sex with the same gender and view the videos wondering if he gets aroused, and what happens then is that you watch porn in a pre-aroused state and start to associate your arousal with the scenes depicted in the video. (Note that I said curious, not bi-curious. I am talking about simple curiosity, not being naturally attracted to both sexes.)
While I do believe that there are individuals that are naturally interested in both sexes, the current state of events is that porn artificially reaffirms and deepens a human's natural curiosity and makes him believe he is more or less equally into both sexes.
And now comes the point that I'm trying to make. When faced with the idea that it was porn all along which lead the individual to his warped tastes, the mind counters that by saying that he was originally "interested" in that, and therefore it is completely natural, and all that porn did was lead to self-discovery. This is the subversion that I'm trying to eliminate: curiosity does not mean predisposition.
If you are struggling with porn addiction and fucked up fetishes, and you think that this is just the way you are, consider this: your mind is tricking you into thinking this, so that you keep the dopamine coming. There is a world of difference between letting the tension go away by masturbating to the idea of healthy hetero sex and watching warped and twisted violent porn and experiencing instant regret and disgust afterwards.
How do I quit this porn addiction then, you might ask? Simplicity is key in life. I've observed NOFAP forums, websites and threads here and I can confidently say that it's a meme. Don't be so quick to call me Dr. Shekelsteinberg. I've never seen any significant positive feedback from nofappers (let's be serious, "day 30: looked a girl in the eyes for 0.5 seconds" doesn't mean shit), and on the other hand, I've read many stories about people slipping down to fucked up shit, edging for multiple hours and generally shitting their life up with the meme that NOFAP is.
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Jayden Long
you're making a really long post for something that is quite simple.
stop viewing pornography.
Brandon Peterson
Do try to limit yourself to 2-3 times a week, and refrain from doing it until late evening or night, so that you obtain optimal results. Ease off the porn gradually. It's not an automatic defeat if you succumb to your phone or laptop sometimes. What also plays a huge role is what you will watch. Remember that last time of guilt and regret? Well, guess what: watch the same shit, get the same result. Insanity, as Einstein put it. If you do find yourself unable to put the phone down, concentrate on watching casual, non-violent and natural sex instead of whatever it is that stunts your personal growth. In time, you will be able to quit completely.
Don't try and cold turkey it - what are you trying to prove anyway? There are too many stories about people "cold turkeying" and then relapsing and edging for hours to the most warped shit imaginable. Ultimately, you should use your discretion and analyze your particular situation to figure out the pace that you want. Life is a long-term investment, and a couple months of easing off porn is nothing in the long run. It won't kill you to try, that's for sure.
To summarize, there are two points that you should take away from this. First, don't consider your natural curiosity to be a predisposition to your fetishes. Second, know that neuroplasticity works both ways and that you are in control of your mind. A human being and its brain is formed by its habits, and if you can change your habits, step by step, you can change your mind.
Evan Carter
bump
Leo Butler
It's all true. When i fap to straight shit i feel pretty okay after. But when i watch gay or traps i feel fucking disgusted with myself afterwards.
I also in real life am actually attracted to females while men and boys don't do anything to me.
Horniness is a weird phenomena.
Eli Thompson
I participate in Nofap to observe the effects, and so far (6 days in) i haven't felt anything major yet.
Joshua Davis
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Benjamin Anderson
That’s like telling alcoholics or heroine addicts “stop drinking/heroine”. You retard
Thomas Jones
If you know about neuroplasticity, you should know that your advice of "don't go cold turkey, just ease off gradually" and "there's no reason to do nofap" are both very ill-advised, and actually pretty harmful to anyone wondering how to beat their porn addiction. The rest of your thoughts I agree with, but for those two errors alone this longpost needs to go straight into the trash.
Christian Perry
I don’t get it, you’re supposed to go totally cold turkey? Why? Is that only for no fap or every addiction?
Aaron Gomez
Explain how to nofap properly
Connor Gray
Same user. I figured out there must be an explanation behind all this. I'm glad you agree on everything else, but why do you say that it's harmful? Gradually rewiring your brain to more natural state is definitely better then relapsing and reinforcing the previous neural connections with full strength. Note that I'm not saying that porn is good (it is complete fucking poison), but if you are at the point where the you have a phone in one hand and your dick in the other, you most likely won't be able to put down the phone initially. So employing gradual deescalation and restoration seems acceptable to me. Better to fap to straight normal porn occasionally in the beginning, then hold back until you relapse with full strength. Would love to hear your input, tell me your take on neuroplasticity
Jeremiah Clark
Tldr: go to yourbrainonporn dot com and read everything you can.
The theory of neuroplasticity says that the brain activates neural pathways for common processes, and these get ingrained over time. Think like when a few people walk through a field, the grass gets flatter, so more people walk across that stretch of grass until a fully fledged path forms and everyone walks down it because it's THE path.
Neuroplasticity says that the brain is plastic, i.e. it can remould itself and wire new pathways over time. However in order to wire new pathways, it has to un-wire the old ones. In this example, in order to wire the "arousal" pathway towards IRL girls, it has to rewire it away from your tentacle porn you've been watching on a daily basis for 9 years straight. (In other words, a really fucking ingrained path)
If you're still watching your tentacle porn "but it's totally fine bro I'm scaling it back over a couple months", you're still firing electricity down the neural pathways you're simultaneously trying to make your brain "forget". In our analogy, the battered vulnerable grass in your field isn't gonna regrow properly if you still let people walk over it "every now and then". You have to totally cordon that section of the field off.
Furthermore, if your tentacle porn is still the quickest way to arousal for your brain, and you keep that pathway alive even in a reduced sense, it's still going to be the path of least resistance to arousal, by far. Your brain will just keep firing electricity down there as opposed to taking the path of greater resistance, i.e. arousal by IRL girls.
Nofap for a certain period of time completely cuts off the established routes to arousal, dampening the neural pathways your brain has so deeply ingrained, so that in time you give your fledgling neural pathways a chance to establish themselves. That's why nofap can be good for certain people in certain situations. (1/2)
Kayden Perez
Every addiction you tard You think the people in AA are getting told that a beer is okay it's just the vodka they can't pick up?
Christian Morales
based
Ryder Rodriguez
That only answers 1 out of 2 of my questions you rude faggot
David Watson
>If you're still watching your tentacle porn "but it's totally fine bro I'm scaling it back over a couple months", you're still firing electricity down the neural pathways you're simultaneously trying to make your brain "forget". In our analogy, the battered vulnerable grass in your field isn't gonna regrow properly if you still let people walk over it "every now and then". You have to totally cordon that section of the field off. which is why I'm advocating for easing off as a way to not tread on the same pathways. Nowhere did I say that you should ease off by watching the same tentacle shit or whatever
Lincoln Lee
(2/2) all I wanted to add to this was that I'm not an expert and it's been a good 4 years since I've read up on this, but hope what I posted makes sense.
You keep talking about people going cold turkey and then having a massive relapse. Hopefully what I've written explains why none is better than some. But in addition, you must see that - neural pathways aside - if you allow addicts to tell themselves "I'll gradually scale back", they have free reign over when to scale back and by how much, and that's setting them up for failure. Cold turkey is a much easier state of mind for an addict to be in, and luckily for porn addicts it won't kill them like cold turkey on alcohol addiction would, so there's nothing stopping them doing it.
I quit porn in 2014, and I've never had this massive relapse your argument hinges upon. Worst I've done was look at some videos on a model's Instagram earlier this year, then close them, then jack off to them. That was enough to make me stop myself and go back to nofap for a while because I felt I was rebuilding old neural pathways I really didn't want to open back up.
John Williams
>been talking with this chick who's kinda chubby not really my type >she kept bugging me over and over >came over and we fugged >finally got her to leave after wasting money on some takeout dinner >hand smells like pussy even though I washed it twice
>fucked a subpar chick >Jewish propaganda would be better man fuck you either enjoy the pussy you lazily got or work for some better pussy
Eli Collins
Tentacle shit was the catch-all for whatever porn people choose to watch. Didn't mean it to come across as putting words in your mouth.
However my point still stands that scaling back over time does nothing, because you're still using the same neural pathways and not allowing them the complete lack of usage they need in order to rewire
Michael Robinson
I see what you're saying. At the same time, your case was probably not as complicated as some of the anons' here, or you're a person of stronger willpower than most, as attested by your 4 year streak. It might be best for others to initially try scaling back as a way for preparing themselves to quit, so that the withdrawal cravings don't hit as hard. Sometimes it's the little things that matter, and staying on the edge or tipping over can be the result of something seemingly insignificant done in the past. Still, appreciate your insight, it's nice to have a discussion about this.
Daniel Williams
Oh I get that it you used it as a general term, I used it the same way. I'm saying "scale back" as in "scale back to less degenerate porn", not "watch the degenerate shit with less frequency". There's 2 axes to it, frequency and depth, and I'm talking about scaling back on depth first and foremost.
Oliver Smith
Porn is easier, but then it becomes easier than talking to girls at all. Easier than going to the gym because you can look at all the 9/10 women you want. Easier than having a job because why do you need money when you're fulfilling your primary purpose in life (attracting mates and spreading your seed) with a phone and an internet plan.
Porn is great but it literally provides you with a simulation of the end goal of life with zero of the effort required. Trouble is, your brain doesn't know it's a simulation. As the other dude said, you don't need porn, you just need better pussy.
Julian Scott
With depth it's potentially even more difficult though. The human brain is wired to give a release of dopamine every time it gets aroused, and one of the primary ways it gets aroused is through novelty. You're absolutely correct that people end up seeking out really weird shit that they're not even attracted to, and this is because the brain needs a constant stream of novel things to see in order to maintain the massive overload of dopamine that porn has been giving it for so long. That's why people feel disgusted with themselves after they close 68 browser tabs of freaky-ass midget bbw amputee porn, because they didn't even realise they'd got to that stage - their brain had taken them on autopilot through the last 67 browser tabs, constantly looking for something new in order to keep the massive rush of dopamine coming.
So that's why it would still be better to completely stop - because porn addicts aren't addicted to the type of porn they're watching, they're addicted to the novelty of seeking out new and more degenerate porn. If they open one tab with a video of consensual sex in the missionary position, they'll still end up on their 43rd tab, watching a fat woman "accidentally" breaking chairs she sits on. Guaranteed. In a way, encouraging them to scale back is like telling an alcoholic "go to the local bar all you like, but make sure you only order beers"...
You're right, the pursuit of novelty is the core issue. Thanks for the feedback, I'll make a new post tomorrow after I think everything through. Based and redpilled, user
also kek'd >68 browser tabs of freaky-ass midget bbw amputee porn
Xavier Peterson
I watch porn because sex is a vital part of the human experience, and if I'm not getting that experience I feel like something is missing in my life. I'll never be witty or smart or tall or Jow Forums enough to get that in real life, so porn is my only outlet to not feel like such an outcast
Try doing keto and nofap. It makes it easier I swear. I'm easily able to go a week without fapping on keto, whereas when I'm burning glucose I end up fapping every day.
Landon Edwards
3 weeks in, I peeked for like 5 min and literally had a headache for the rest of the day. My innocent brain couldn't handle it
Evan Foster
i jerk off on the weekends, and lift, and have a job so lmao?
Zachary Turner
WHY NOT JUST NOT MASTURBATE TO OTHER PEOPLE HAVING SEX?
and im done, its a hard transition. But it doesnt make me feel like shit after, and i dont edge for 2 hours either. Best thing is I imagine myself fucking these girls. Come back to softcore user
Nothing to do with fitness but you retards clog up the board. Go back where you came from robots
Robert Ortiz
Bump Good thread.
Gabriel Long
it can be further simplified: "stop watching porn"
Jason Richardson
this is good advice
Liam Baker
never get the appeal for the tentacle porn tbqh I just got the huge tits fetish, so even ugly girls irl can arouse me if they got a big rack.
Eli Carter
>Since the mind is in a heightened state during masturbation, it absorbs the images and concepts like a sponge, and before long you find yourself more and more attracted to it - thank neuroplasticity for that.
Serious question then... If I jerk off while studying while I be able to better retain all the information?
Jonathan Johnson
Thats because you are 6 days in. Keep going until 90 days and dont watch porn or edge
Benjamin Nguyen
That user is right. I'm the original spammer of the easypeasy hackbook to quit porn. I never read the book, because I'm a retard, but I know it works because it became viral here on Jow Forums, and it's principles are >you have to quit cold turkey >you don't have to rely on willpower but on deprogramming yourself from the idea that porn is pleasurable
After halloween night I got home drunk and drugged up. I passed the following day puking every 20 minutes. The following night I started getting hard thinking on how hard I would fuck some bitch I met at the club the previous day, and I start looking to some asmr shit to alleviate the pain caused by the almost drug overdose of the previous night (I was still dehydrated). I spent then hours edging to sequentially more degenerated shit that I never found attractive in the least before that night (mostly mindlessly browsing hundreds of tabs of tumblr blogs) and even ended up sending 20 $ to a bitch online. Now, I was under the influence of drugs and was also sick, but this can and probably will happen to a lot of people. What you proposed doesn't work: if you are addicted and watch even the lamest shit as possible you will probably be "possessed" and end up on shit you never knew even existed before, and if you knew, they never aroused you
Easton Parker
A little late with this reply but you're welcome my man, good to have a bit of healthy debate about it and glad I could help. All the best to you & all in this thread.
Joshua Nelson
To persuade someone, you have to show them WHY they shouldn't do it.
Let's say I'm a porn addict. user - tell me why I should quit porn. What does it do to my mind?
Henry Miller
sorry that you can't stop watching BBW tranny piss porn duder I'll pray for you
Jeremiah Cruz
My dog has developed a habit lately of coming into my room to sleep and that's stopped me from fapping every night
>been using porn for about 15 years >never went into "more and more fucked up porn", nor did I start getting interested in gay shit I got bad news for you buddy, you were a faggot to begin with.
Liam Cox
>tfw no fap reamly works Also don t be retarded if you relapse. Stroke it quick to non degenerate porn and once the shit is out you ll be way easier toto manage. Even better you feel like you are going to watch porn don t and just masturbate. People who edge are obviously too hard on themself and since they are failling their no fap they think that they are worthless and beyond hope. Nobody is beyond hope, be easy on yourself, if you have to fail after two weeks it s already two weeks. Fail from a low height instead of a mountain
Yeah I mean honestly I can sort of understand slipping into more depraved shit over time but at the same time it only happened to me for stuff I already had “soft” fetishes for, never anything I found outright objectionable. So for example I was always into “soft” BDSM as long as I knew what sex was (tying somebody up and spanking were the only things I knew about) and sure I got into some BDSM stuff more, but it doesn’t matter how much porn I’ve watched (I’m 27 so a lot), I’ve never gotten into footfag shit, or scat, or weird cucking shit or anything.
addiction is not real. every human has the willpower to quit something at any point, they just don't have the desire. they will wake up every morning talking about how shitty they feel and how they want to quit but they will continue in the same path because they have no reason to change. unless you can give them a reason to change you can't help them.
this guy gets it, cold turkey is the only way. anything less and you're kidding yourself thinking you've beat anything.
you can be a bridge builder for 50 years, but you fuck one goat and you're known as a goat-fucker forever.
