Give me one good reason why you don't just do a relatively safe test-only cycle just to reach your natty limit?

I did years ago and the sides are annoying and unless youre making money out of it or have a test deficit the cons outweigh the pros

>if you actually continue to eat and train properly
except it doesn't matter because your test levels will drop hard, not to mention that you won't be able to lift as much as you could on cycle

seems like you don't even understand how fucking bad coming off is. If you want to hop on you have to stay forever unless you want to deal with all the side effects

That's only true for the gains you've made past your natural limit. If you do your PCT correctly your body can and will still produce enough natural test to maintain the gains at or beneath your natural limit.

Source: me. Gained about 11-13lbs of muscle on my first and only cycle and managed to keep almost all of it. Haven't touched any roids since and that was almost 2 years ago.

>reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/9bf0th/cycle_basic_test_cycle_on_someone_with_almost_no/
throughout that entire thing it's repeated over and over that he didn't eat properly

>1. you won't hit "natty limit" in one cycle
Ofc not but you'll gain more in 1 16week cycle than you would in a year.
>2. you won't keep your gains after you come off
Have good PCT and you won't lose much of your gains or just cruise.
>3. steroids won't do much if you start as a dyel
Load of shit the first day I stepped into a gym I was juicing and it's done a world of wonder for me. Was a 6'7" 68kg twink currently half way thru my cycle and now a 86kg twink. (500mg test weekly)
Please explain how it "won't do much much"

Natty cuck have fun being left behind in your gains.

>depression
A symptom of low test, get blood work done.

What sides did you experience?

My tests are normal. Also no-one gets prescibed test for depression. Most anti-depressants do the opposite and lower test further.

Lifting is literally the best medicine for depression and making new PRs now and then makes it enjoyable. Cruising a cycle makes it so that you'll probably never make a PR again without hopping back on.

>manage my fucking depression
no such thing

>talking with certainty about steroid use
>never used steroids
>doesn't even know where to get steroids

Redpill me on the mood changes on a test cycle? How does it make you feel?

>don't talk about cocaine and heroine effects until you've thoroughly tried it out for months, user

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>smug know it all prick with zero life experience

Ever wonder why people avoid you in social settings, user?

Whatever fags, I just answered why I'm not gonna cruise a cycle. If you wanna inject hormones into yourself to look good for other homos, go right ahead.

I'll keep lifting because I enjoy it.

>implying people roid because they don't enjoy lifting

because im 19

why tf would i roid now when my whole 20s are ahead of me

I haven't notice any mood changes on 500mg desu. People I've spoken to said there really isn't any until 1g weekly. Everyone is different though.

Doesn't make you feel any different.

You keep the gains even if they’re beyond your natty limit. Up to seven years after a single cycle, yoh maintain benefits.

>"totally clean needles"
You do realize you buy needles from a pharma not some random gym dude and they cost few pennies

My favorite thing about test is the mental and psychological benefits. You will be more assertive, confident, and relaxed in social situations. You will be more driven to get things done, less inclined to take shit from people.

>implying people who roid lift because they enjoy it rather than just being mentally impatient brats who just want everything NOW NOW MORE I WANT EVERYTHING NOW

No, mainly because they don't
And you haven't shown why your argument rebuttal holds user

>stay natty and have lackluster, mediocre gains for the rest of your life, will always look like an average joe, but no danger for your health or serious side effects
>roid and have impressive gains that will give you the dream body you've always wanted, but will have to face the risk of side effects and health problems, will have to search for shady dealers where you don't always know what you get

why do we have to make this choice, Jow Forums?

Dude your e a fucking retard

Personally, because of ego. It won't feel like the gains are my own and it'll simply ruin lifting for me.

How about you try lifting for more than 4-5 years first and see how little gains you'll be making then, see how patient you're still going to be.

This is the only good reason not to. I don't recommend using gear until you're past 30 years old. After that, test levels naturally start to decline anyway, so it actually makes sense to use test.

I think you mean pride.

W...what?

LOL the absolute state of these natty retards

Thinking they're qualified to give advice on the ins and outs of steroid use when they don't even know about fucking needles. Always good for a laugh I suppose.

If you've been lifting for 5 years and you think increasing your lifts or looking bigger is still that important then you got issues man.

That sounds really good. Will roids make me an alpha male like masT?

There's two (2) reasons to ever hop on a test cycle

1) you're competing in a sport where it's accepted and you're on a level where it's expected

2) you're a prancing homo lala man who wants to get fucked by other men with self-image issues

If I knew where to find test I would have done it ages ago. Any suggestions??

>if you lift to get stronger or look better than you got serious issues

Just stop and go kill yourself already

If you're not smart enough to find out how to obtain steroids, you aren't smart enough to use them responsibly and safely.

I dont trust online sources for quality test and doctors wont prescribe it to me in this communist hellhole i live in.

This is such a ridiculous bullshit answer that only fedora DYELs keep repeating.

So if you can't find steroids, that makes you too dumb to use them. But if you go and talk to some dumb meathead who can supply them for you, then suddenly you've become smart enough to use them?

Its in keeping with if you cant do the research to find them then you probably cant do the research to actually do them safely.
I'd imagine 1% of roiders actually buy from naother roider, nearly all of us buy online

Doing the research to do them safely is way easier and faster than doing the research to where you can safely buy them.

Guides and information on how to safely use steroids are found everywhere on the internet, but real steroid source talk is harder to find considering most sites don't want anything to do with that.

You should cycle test in your 20s. Making a list is quicker so I’ll do that
>we have a ton of testosterone lowering factors in our world, way more if you’re in the US. We’re not on the same level in our prime as our great great grandfathers in theirs, not even close.
>there is a clear advantage to being a higher test male in our society
>it can also help you work harder, so you can end up earning more money by the time you’re in your 30s and 40s. Then you can afford the TRT you would probably want to get on in thosenages regardless if you stay natty or not
>most men above 35 need to go on trt as is, see my above point. Just do it safely and don’t be an idiot, you’ll keep your gains and can drastically minimize any hormonal risks.

bump me too nohomo though lol xD reddit bought me here

because there are other AAS better suited for your needs.

>the absolute state of this butthurt dyel

You're telling me there's something safer, cheaper and more effective at putting on lean mass than test?

You say that but daily in /Fraud we get 10,000 posts from people asking the most basic questions for their first cycle.
You just have to skim a few of the forums, it was easier when SST was up but even then plenty of things sprang up after that you can use.

>more retards talking about things they have zero experience with

Finding a source takes all of five minutes if you aren't a total brainlet. The debates on the best way to use them will never end.

get over yourself, faggot

if you can't understand why people would want to hop on and advance their life's greatest interest you're mentally retarded. If you think using steroids boils down to "hurr look good girls" you probably have an IQ of 90. You will NEVER get past a certain weight/aesthetic without steroids. There is no NOW NOW NOW, there is a cap on your potential

Certain SARMS can be arguably safer and as effective, but are more expensive.

>Finding a source takes all of five minutes if you aren't a total brainlet
And finding a guide to safely use steroids probably takes about 1 minute. Your point?

The fact still remains that it's harder to find legit sources than it is to find legit info on steroid usage. I'm not even the guy who asked for a source in the first place, i know where to look, which is why i've put the name of one of the most commonly used websites for it in my previous post.

Because i live in shitty slavland and have no idea where to get some fraudfuel, i would pin like a madman otherwise.

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I thought about these things as well, but I really don't like needles, wouldn't know where to get the shit from (the "how" can be researched fairly easily), and prooobably couldn't afford it either (poor studentbro), so...eh?

The thread is literally about reaching "natty limit" with steroids as a shortcut. If you're aiming past that then you're deluded if you think anyone besides gay men think you look good.

You lose gains after cycle. If you do it right youll have a net positive, but u r gay

constant hardcore sweating, some backne (i never have any acne), hard time sleeping and sweating at night, extreme horniness all the time (cool the first week, after that its just annoying), heart palpitations

You can buy hypodermic needles from medical supply companies yourself dipshit

You can buy laboratory grade steroids online

The fact that you think other people would judge your gains already is vanity. You’re vain enough to think people give a shit

>to think people give a shit
Not him, but people do give a shit, albeit only in a negative way.

People generally don't give a shit about people who lift, but as soon as steroids come into play, you'll always be that guy who roids and puts in zero effort for his body and gains.

>The fact that you think other people would judge your gains already is vanity. You’re vain enough to think people give a shit
You're like those women who say they get plastic surgery "for themselves", not for other people or anything. Just like those bimbos getting botox in their face, you spend a bunch of money to look better and think people won't notice you're obsessed with your looks and full of shit.

He isnt wrong about being able to keep gains after one cycle so long as you dont fuck up your test production. A course of steroids literally increases the number of nucli in your muscle tissue forever so you will always be better off than someone who has never taken roids.
That being said the reason I dont touch it is there are tons of fucking health risks even with grade A medical testosterone let alone the sketchy shit you probably end up getting if not directly from a doctor.

>depression
that might actually be low test kek

I'm sorry that I am not aware how to illegally obtain controlled substances.

I have done my research and I tried to find a doctor that will prescribe me test for money but I don't really have that kind of connections.

I have decided, i will start roiding and leave these piss-poor natty gains behind.

Thanks Jow Forums

Will taking steroids make me feel as motivated and assertive as when taking caffeine pills?

I feel tired and lazy all the time, but whenever i take caffeine pills i always feel energetic, motivated and willing to work. That is untill the effect has ran out after about 1-2 hours.

Try ephedrine fren

It’s like caffeine but 10x more powerful

Also it comes from a plant so I guess you keep ur natty card

I'm super new to lifting (2-3 months) and I've noticed that my noob gains are starting to slow down, are roids actually good if you wanna reach a decent natty state faster ? Because the biggest obstacle I'm facing right now is the (perceived) lack of gains, which puts a huge dent in my motivation.
I've always considered roids as something that you take only if you wanna look like a fucking DBZ character, but I've never really looked into them or their effects.

>everyone would think
Sounds like you are a super vein faggot anyway, so just own it.

>having BDD isn't a serious issue
Seek help, Satanposter

You need to lift consistant at least 3 years before you consider bruv.

lmao hope on now brah
100mg Dbol daily for 6 months

" Well I plateaued around week 10 and stopped eating enough. Yep, what a waste of 5 weeks."

This dumbass even admits he stopped eating enough. That's why it was a waste... for him.

The amount of natty cope in this thread is killing me

I won't roid because i'm the kind of unlucky sucker who will most likely get into legal troubles because of it.

Try the pharmacy as roids are freely available in shitty slavlands

A man who's active and trains for his entire life will have put on tens of pounds of natural maintainable muscle which will naturally drop as he becomes less active and eats worse.

I

The entire concept and fun behind training is that you do it natty and overcome your bodies limitations as good as you can through smart, educated and hard proper training.

If I instead just started taking test I would not be satisfied by the results at all.

I'm below average test so I feel like having a bit of a boost, just to get up to baseline so I'm on the same level as a normal human male, would be something im interested in. That being said I'm too scared to try and find it myself and inject myself and everything so it probably won't happen.

Just like with steroids, there’s a safe amount and frequency which a person can use cocaine and heroin. I’ve snorted coke a handful of times and snorted heroin twice and I’m fine. Anecdotal, of course, but a sample size of one shows that it’s within the realm of possibilities.

True. I knew that much, but my point is you don't have to take a drug to be knowledgeable about it. Example Doctors who specialise in rescuing druggies know about cocaine a lot more than their patients even though they probably have never taken it. Sure, it's an extreme example, but you get the point

>look like a dbz character
Most people that you (maybe not you specifically but the majority of this board) think “look great” have probably taken test

Of course, if you just want to reach your natty limit, you're gonna do that a hell of a lot faster with more compounds. Hell, run a 12 week cycle of 1 gram of test, half a gram of nandrolone, and then some masterone at the end. That will make you reach your natty limit. 500mgs of Test EW will maybe barely make you reach it within 12 weeks, and thats if everything is on point and you have godlike genetics. Much better to do a much harsher cycle to reach it faster, then go off.

How much heroin can you snort and not OD? I know with coke you can rail through like 3 grams and still be relatively safe

Addition, your balls are going to be full shutdown anyways, so there is no difference between 2 grams of gear EW and 500mgs of gram, hell even just 100mg will shut you down.

Your dick will be useless

Stop saying that you're doing test to reach your natty limit.
There is no such thing as a natty limit when it comes to putting on size.
You can build muscle your entire damned life if you eat well and are consistent.
It's just slow as fuck and you'll hit the age wall.
That's it.

You are not taking steroids to hit your natty limit.
You are taking steroids because you are too impatient and in most cases too much of an imbecile and or too much of a pussy to train and build muscle the natty way.

That's it.

Look if you want to get on gear just to reach slighytly above otter mode. Then yeah go for it.
But don't pretend that you're reaching some arbitrary "natural state" that you would have gotten if you didn't get on gear.

For gods sake, your body will be PERMANENTLY CHANGED after one cycle. You'll never know what your natural potential was.

Because I don't give a shit about being jacked at the expense of my health, and anyone who does is a fucking retard overcompensating for some other shitty aspect of their life.

The only thing limiting me is time, and your fucking gear won't give me more of that. Fuck off needle junkies

>hormonelet rage

I cant get pins. I have the test just no way of injecting it

>he thinks you can stop at just one test cycle