MindSET/mental health thread

i will take this to heart, thank you.

Sadly this is the absolute state of MH in any country, as the professionals have to deal with such an amount of bullshit that they gave up on humanity. I'm one of them.

My only suggestion is to learn how your body works, get a feeling how what foods are working, which are bad for your energy level, see what works nice for you and get an idea of what triggers you. Knowledge over yourself is the definitive power. Either that or get some tablets

This.

If there's one thing I learned from my parents relationship, it's that women are never emotionally or physically capable of controlling themselves and long-term if you want to be a dad you have to be the one in complete control of the situation.

You won't get a nice woman -> family (this is what I want) if you aren't strong enough, only manipulative cunts.

Socialize + aerobic exercise.

Read up on science articles relating to anxiety and blogposts that deal with such - bakadesuyo.com/. (It's title is slightly off) Is a good site grounded in neuroscientific articles. I recommend you read some if you find them appealing.

what kind of things are prevalent in the field that cause the professionals to give up? is the whole system corrupt?

OP here.. just want to say thank you all SO much for your replies. i really really appreciate them. much love

OP, are you OCD?

absolutely based, this is now my motivation too

Based and stoicpilled.

Also OP, for your mind fog, I know it sounds meme-ish but try practicing mindfulness or meditation. Whenever my mind was racing from some bullshit, I'd sit down and try to force myself to think about nothing, then I'd work up to only observing the world around me. It kept me grounded, and helped me out some, maybe look into it.

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does it sound like i might be? im not a neat freak or anything though

i will look into this thank you, ive tried floor sitting meditation before but i find, even though i can work through my problems to the point where i realize theyre nothing to be stressed over with mindfulness, i still feel physically anxious, pit in my gut, voice in the back of my mind.

my typing is awful i apologise. it's so hard to put my thoughts into words.

Let me put it this way, 1 out of 10 is a fucking psycho who takes all the resources away and put a lot of strain in the resilence of the professionals..that should usually be enough if it wasnt that the rest are entitled cunts who believes that just because they are seeing someone about their problem they will automatically get better...sadly, therapy is not a magic pill, so they blame whoever is in charge of their care...one suggestion: do not expect anyone to cure you. Cope with your sympthoms if you cannot get better but don't just put it on doctors or mh professionals, you wont get any symphathy for that.

Tl:dr it's a stressfull job, and no human can take that amount of shit

It depends on what kind of anxiety issues you have. I struggle a lot with social anxiety and some OCD. The doctors told me I had ADD and pushed me to take all kinds of medication. You probably already know this, but they made everything worse.
After I ditched all that, weights and diet control were what gave me sanity. If you can't control the world around you, at least control yourself. And the exercise leaves you too tired to overthink everything. I hope you find your fix.

oh! i feel your pain entirely. big respect to the MDs and all the workers out there. i have family members in the medical field so i have heard about how shitty and idiotic patients can be.
im not sure if it sounded this way but i didnt mean to blame them for the issues ive been having.. the doctor i saw didnt fully even listen to what i had to say before pushing meds. it almost was like a movie scene, i said a few sentences and he asked what med i wanted to be on.

after thinking about it though.. there really was nothing else for him to suggest. i just wish he would have listened but i understand where he came from. thank you for explaining! its great to have inside info on it

glad to hear that you found an outlet! it definitely has been helping me a lot to focus on lifting, that's probably the only thing keeping me decently sane right now lol. thank you for the support and insight it's much appreciated!

reading through this now, there is some really great stuff. going to bookmark. thank you!

Not OP but;; basically people are treating therapy the same way a fattie treats dieting as "do no work, just take these pills/drink this shake/whatev"? How to avoid this pitfall?

Just fucking do it. Aint no amount of planning and meditating will make your behavior feel natural and clear of anxiety. If you fuck up thats fine, part of the process, now you meditate n plan, dont let the same bullshit happen again.
Do until failure, now shut the fuck up faggot

good point. faking it til you make it isnt always a bad thing,, thanks for the reply!

check out archived /sig/ threads
check out the sticky for /sig/ threads
and /sig/ threads
theyve unironically helped me quite a bit
also stop watching porn and playin vidja anymore than an hour a day

going to head over there now. thanks friend

I wish I had time to listen to my patients. It's difficult to explain, but there's a lot of money invovle and I'm just a cog in the machine that gives you a minute slot. If I'm not lying I have to ask about 10 organ systems and do an 8 system exam even though you're here to talk about ur depression bc if I don't I can't bill you as a level 5 and then my productivity drops and then the bitch with some BS social sciences degree who was hired to bully my and my partners into billing the living fuck out of everything all the time forever will do her only job which is bully/intimate/threaten me into a position where I have 3 or 4 minutes to listen to your complaint and 1or 2 minutes to explain my solution, if I'm lucky I'll have one minute to think, but honestly you or someone before you probably showed up late so now this isn't gonna be 15 minutes it's gonna be 5 or 10 and I'm 200k dollars in debt anyways so here's your Prozac see you next month.

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g-geezus user.. come to think of it, the doctor was reading questions off of his laptop, going through the usual signs and checking symptoms. im guessing its healthfusion idk.. but dang he definitely did seem distracted with that, i had no idea of all that extra.
outwardly i appear really confident it's just these obsessive thoughts, but i can't even describe them so he probably thought i was just another joker like you described who is looking for a magic wand lol.

The most effective way to get long-term mental health gains is therapy, accept no substitutions.
I know that basically all men have the reflexive reaction to make excuses about why they don't need/want therapy, but if you genuinely care about your mental health, therapy is the most effective option.
Ignore the stigma, fuck the haters, understanding your feelings and the way you think is how you get your life on track as quickly and efficiently as possible.
t.formerly suicidal

Here's some advice: Think about how engaging will change yourself.
By that I mean, the perspective you have right now will change with time and engagement. If you look at something now and think "wow that sounds like an awful idea" or "wow that's a great idea" or "there's no way I could ever do that/keep it up," you have to remember how that will change as you engage with the activity over time.
If you're not getting it, think back on your childhood. What was some stupid shit that you did? What were some opportunities you missed?
See, that's the idea. You now has been changed by the things you did in the past, and you in the future will have been changed by the things you do now.
Why is this important? Well, if you're thinking about getting into lifting or some other SI thing, and it looks hard/like a waste of time, remember that you now is not the same person as you after lifting/SI. If you think about how these things will change you, and if you think that future you post-lifting/SIG will look back on you and say, "what a cucked pussy" or "if only he'd started sooner," then you should probably engage.
The cornerstone of SI is building the SI mindset, and this requires a long-view conception of time and self.

this is a good point.. im improving every day so there is no limit to the potential of my future self. this is a great mindset to have, thank you
i tried cognitive behavioral therapy in the past, felt really silly and came down to 'just breathe bro', but my doctor told me CBT is basically bullshit anyway? in those terms almost. maybe a more general therapy would be more affective for me then. if you really think it would be beneficial i will look into it though! thank you

Did you receive therapy from your doctor? if so, doctors (generally) have little respect for psychology, and are unlikely to give you a sincere session.
Like any school of medicine, there are good psychologists and bad psychologists. If you aren't certain that the person you're seeing can help you, maybe do some looking for an alternate practitioner? Being proactive goes a long way.

Sounds a bit more like OCD. But all this stuff tends to go hand in hand. I have limited experience through currently dealing with it so I'll post some advice. A lot of my problems come from simply coming here, or gaming, and not putting enough effort in anything else to stay away from this, I'll say more on that later. I posted about some bad habits in a thread a couple days ago and got a response that scared the shit out of me, yet here I am again after just putting in an hour into actually trying to /SIG/ and be productive.

I'm currently with a therapist for a few months, got into it after being referred for mood/anxiety/depression problems, long standing. I tried a different therapist last year and that got nowhere, she just gave me anecdotes and said no you're doing good and w/e else, some mindfulness/CBT I think too. This time I did a bit more research and asked around for good therapists, the guy I found is good. Not what I expected, he challenges me and got deeper into things, diagnosed the OCD straight away. desu, I've regressed a bit, At least in my general, overall mindset and feelings, and I am pretty guilty of the getting-a-quick-boost after a session then not actually enacting anything from it.

That said, he got me out of some chronically bad and pretty specific obsessive worry-thought-loops. I asked later what it was he got me to do - meta cognition (change your thoughts don't just re-interpret them; like a grown up version of CBT). I am so grateful for that, I saw progress fast but getting properly past it took a while.
I'm still stuck a bit on the OCD in habits and other ways, but I've started applying a similar thing to those thoughts after recently recognising them as being faulty.

I know this was more blog than informative but I figured some might help. Useful advice itt thanks.

Good thread OP
slowly getting over some past abuse, ex came back to harass and threaten me some more, remind me how happy she is now

daunting amount of school work ahead but thats that,
doing alright but mentality is kinda not 'up' enough
counsellor says I need to learn to stop my high self-loathing and progress on lessening my severe depression will take time
I hope so
need to learn to be okay on my own
and more importantly do and STICK to doing helpful things

Also should mention for your case, I was upfront about not wanting meds. I'd suggest that be one of the first things you discuss when trying a new doctor or therapist, and you might have to go through a few to find a good one. My GP seems like a stoic unironically and seemed against them anyway, my psychologist said he would think about an SSRI but seemed to think it wasn't needed and wasn't pushy. Most of what we dealt with early on was an abusive relationship with an ex, sort of ongoing still at the time, and being pretty mixed up from that.

Any other anons ever feel like shit over not being able to establish meaningful interpersonal relationships with girls?

Feels like no mater what I do to better myself physically, my mental state always sabotages me from being able to make that connection.

Know it sounds petty, but I’ve fucked up 3 potential relationships in a week so it’s bugging me a shitton, and turning me into a bitter asshole desu.

Are you me?

I have problems with finding a relationship with girls too. I have a really positive mental image of what a relationship could be like and how great it could be, but then I actually try and I either fuck up or it doesn't live up to expectations.

I want commitment, but when it's actually offered to me, I recoil and don't want it. I always think that it will restrict my freedom, and that something better MUST come along after I commit. Things don't turn out like this, of course.

Most of all, I almost don't like it when a girl likes me- I feel incredibly hypocritical if I don't have the same emotions back because I had a case of unrequited emotions back in high school.

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Shit yeah we are kinda the same, I’d agree I also keep having this ideal image of a relationship with a girl that seems unattainable.

What fucks me over more is my insecurity and lack of timing when it comes to making a move.
Is so bad that it caused a girl I was with in a club one night to prefer to msg my friend instead of me out of awkwardness a couple days later.

This user has got it down. it's better to accept that you're feeling anxious at a given moment than to try to suppress it. that's how you overcome it

re: CBT

check out the work of david d. burns

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My mental health this year has been mostly good. Made some nice newb gains and lost a lot of weight which I'm happy about. Then idk what happened, lost all my motivation, put on a bit of weight and lost some gains. But the depression hit me hard, out of nowhere I felt completely isolated, exhausted, alone and sad over pretty much nothing. Nothing is wrong with my life, I'm capable of making gains and losing weight but my mindset feels fucked.

consume a copious amount of mind altering drugs then jump of a bridge
Never fails

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The is lots of books on mindset

I would recommend reading one for 10 minutes when you wake up. Reading books on mindset help me get into a good mindset. It's all about forming good habits

I would also recommend listening to your doctors and trying some medication. Chemical imbalances are real and there is no sense in swimming upstream. You are only making harder for yourself and more importantly, your loved ones

no, only ever talked to psychs.. maybe that is part of the problem. ill definitely keep this in mind but i would like (if possible) to find the solution myself or at least try even though it may be impossible...thank you for the suggestion!,if i do go back i will probably look for someone else.
thank you for sharing.. not blogposty at all. relevant to me and very informative, love hearing others perspectives
best of luck my friend. in the not so distant future you will feel proud of hanging in there and getting all that shitty work done!
thats good to hear that you found someone like that. the dude i went to prescribed stuff even after i said i didnt want anything, then seemed mad when i didnt take it by next visit. anyway though i wish the best for you thanks for all your help i hope it gets easier.
dang lads.. please dont internalize it it's not always your fault.. if you internalize it you're going to go into new relationships with a bad mindset already. im no expert or anything but please don't blame yourself in every situation! thanks for sharing,best of luck and take care.
will check him out later on, going to bookmark. thank you
i had this situation happen to me, like a six month gain drought. you really have to want it i think. one thing that helped me was just watching lifting videos and browsing fit nonstop. made me want to kill it! good luck!! get some gains. thanks for sharing
going to try this rn thank you!!

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hmm that does seem like a great way to get into the swing of things early on. i would like to try a med but im afraid of the side effects to be honest, used to be on some meds during my school years and it made me really groggy. i can hardly remember anything at all from those years now honestly. im just very afraid it will screw with my lifting mindset.

yw user,
also nice digits

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There are things which are within our power, and there are things which are beyond our power. Within our power are opinion, aim, desire, aversion, and, in one word, whatever affairs are our own. Beyond our power are body, property, reputation, office, and, in one word, whatever are not properly our own affairs.

Now the things within our power are by nature free, unrestricted, unhindered; but those beyond our power are weak, dependent, restricted, alien. Remember, then, that if you attribute freedom to things by nature dependent and take what belongs to others for your own, you will be hindered, you will lament, you will be disturbed, you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you take for your own only that which is your own and view what belongs to others just as it really is, then no one will ever compel you, no one will restrict you; you will find fault with no one, you will accuse no one, you will do nothing against your will; no one will hurt you, you will not have an enemy, nor will you suffer any harm.

Aiming, therefore, at such great things, remember that you must not allow yourself any inclination, however slight, toward the attainment of the others; but that you must entirely quit some of them, and for the present postpone the rest. But if you would have these, and possess power and wealth likewise, you may miss the latter in seeking the former; and you will certainly fail of that by which alone happiness and freedom are procured.

Seek at once, therefore, to be able to say to every unpleasing semblance, “You are but a semblance and by no means the real thing.” And then examine it by those rules which [18] you have; and first and chiefly by this: whether it concerns the things which are within our own power or those which are not; and if it concerns anything beyond our power, be prepared to say that it is nothing to you.

Based

Realise you are not alone. There is no quick fix/turn around. Try not beating yourself too much on the way down.

Routine and consistency in most faucets of life is an important fundamental to have. You need these two things before getting ‘better’

Behavioural cognitive therapy helps most (didn’t for me due to lack of concerntration - let’s just call it ADD for now)

Identify your core problems (this is where a good quack assists). Face the problems - cop it. Do not use substances. That is a means of escape/avoidance.

These are some,not all, of my personal rules

t. Depressed well off individual typing with one hand while browsing Jow Forums in shower (terrible addiction)

Anyone have anxious body language even when seemingly at ease? I'm talking stiff, clumsy, fidgety, shakey, etc. Of course it becomes worse if I'm put in a nervous situation, but it feels like it's there even if I'm alone and happy. I have shitty posture due to muscle imbalances, might be part of the cause, and my test has been measured at 14 nmol, so pretty low.

user, could you elaborate on the response you received that scared you? I'm in a similar situation myself and it might be something that could really help

>tfw physical symptoms of anxiety are getting worse and seeping into your everyday life regardless of the situation

It's all so tiresome

Yeah man. I find myself trembling and shaky when I'm not in the mood. Also social situation make me anxious and I start getting nervous ticks.

I also start crying when I'm in a very serious confrontation. It's very uncotrollable, and it usually happens after the confrontation. Even though I feel like I'm at ease I just start crying.

i know that feel brother
>going to do a set and start doubting myself, strength and confidence leave me and cant catch my breath
AAAAAAAAAA

Springfield-sama is top tier raifu

she's a good gal that's for sure!
crying? are you okay, user?
yes! we are all together on this. especially on the showerposting bit... i do this a lot. thank you for the support friend.
righteously worded. i think anxiety is almost always something we can't control, attributed to someone else. the end goal is definitely this.. to be in control of what we can and stop trying to reach. thank you

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I had trouble squatting and deadlifting for months because I could only breathe at like 60% capacity. Also had to manually catch my breath constantly, and it's been starting to happen again recently.

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such a wholesome picture

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Find somebody to talk it out to, it could be a close friend or even a specialist. You won't solve your issues all at once and it'll take time. Just talk it out bit by bit and try to work on it little by little. Good luck fellow SKK.

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this, your emotions are like the tide. You can't force it to come in or out, but you can ride the good waves and resist the bad ones

Here you go. I didn't want to share originally because it seemed personal, and apologies if the user who replied this to me didn't want this shared, but it is an important message and messiahs come in unlikely forms. Considering replies I feel like a few anons could use the wake up call.

This hit me hard.
I had a mental block (among many) about wanting to change and improve myself from a happy place rather than out of fear, but this guy made me face it in a way I can't look away from. I have enacted more changes to habits since, in the last few days, than over the last few months (yeah I've still been coming to Jow Forums a bit sure, but even that's more controlled and purposeful, less shitposting). You need to sometimes stop thinking too much, and let yourself actually feel bigger picture stuff.

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killjoys and homos
muh stoicism
no one said life has to suck, your perspectives are warped beyond repair
I shall bounce around on rainbows and sugar crusted roads while you weep for no good reason

As a professional or a client?
As a client, make sure you are actually putting in an honest effort to get better, don't just rock up to sessions and change nothing at the end of them

Is it normal to push so hard through the pain that it starts to feel euphoric?

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Needed to hear this, thanks user

That scary post was mine AMA. I can't tell you what works for me bc nothing so far has but maybe I can tell you what I know doesn't work

tfw no qt anime girl who enjoys baking sweets for you

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I'm fucking strong and attractive and have no issues with females, not even talking. The problem is i get fucking anxiety that makes me nauseated. At this point im about to just start taking a few g's of phenibut and cruising 300mg test.

I'm so tired of always struggling, so much stuff just seems to come to others naturally (and it does) but everything I do feels like a fight.
Just constantly working on something, working as hard as I can and seeing barely any results or improvement.
I just want to stop, just for a day where I don't have to think about "I need to get this or that done", just a pause without any of that but that's not an option.

I recently had a very vivid dream which lasted a very long time, multiple years; I was a tiny robot living in a big city, spent awhile in the rain before I found some job at an office but because I was a robot the humans dumped their work on me.
I worked long hours and extremely hard, people assumed I could do it without consideration, but I was eventually promoted.
Woke up shortly after, I'd slept 8 hours but it felt like 2, just thought it was an interesting thing to share

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I've been through alot in terms of anxiety, panic attacks and depression. I'd say focus on the most basic things like being with people, exercising, and just occupying yourself with hobbies. But I personally think human connection is the most important thing out of them all. Stoicism only goes so far and doesn't replace our most human desires and instincts.

I have anxiety issue just like OP and it's even affecting my workout.

I keep injuring myself despite being mindful of my posture and form. The worst are my shoulders, can't seem to get rid of the pain despite giving it time to heal and doing lots of strengthening.

Went to a physio and got told I'm so stressed all my muscle are all pulled inward in front of my chest.

I need to relax and learn to breathe correctly.

Am I being memed hard? If not, anyone got similar experience and can give me some tips.I wanna get back to working out asap, I'm loosing my fucking mind being sedentary.

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diet, exercise, studying/working, free time, socializing

>muh stoicism
>weep
You use a term I don't think you quite understand what it means. Now you can bounce around on those rainbows and sugar plumbs, until life kicks you in the throat and you have no idea how to cope and blow your brains out on live stream.

> gf of nearly 2 years breaks up with me
> exam period at uni meaning lots of study to do
> had to move because of my lease

> somehow coping with it all, haven't cried or broken down over anything
> achieved this state of angry zen or some shit where i am actually enjoying getting fucked by life
> mfw literally too angry to die

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>Am I being memed hard?

what the fuck does that even mean

It'll hit you eventually, user.

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I'm sure it will
I am thankful my mind is managing to keep it's shit together during a period of my life where i can't afford to stop though

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