Recently learned that i don't look in the eye of the person I'm talking with

The thing is that it can come off as weird and unnatural, sometimes you can tell if person is looking in the eye or the nose. You might have noticed it, but someone else did.

Understand that looking someone in the eyes gives them a confirmation that you are listening, rather than spacing out and just going "huh", "sure"etc...
The way I look at is that its another step to non social normalcy.
A couple seconds is all it takes. Seems to help build my confidence too.

You're not supposed to deep stare into their eyes.

how the fuck do you not realize this yourself. autism?

I have this problem too. I have no problem looking people in the eyes when I remember, but in every social situation I'm too engrossed in the moment/conversation to be conscious of where I'm looking.

I don't even consciously look anywhere or at anything. It's like I just naturally look to the side or up or down... sometimes I talk to clients and afterwards I cant remember where my eyes were pointing and I'm worried I seem rude or shy all the time.

fml this is a thing too? kill me

>i feel like a creep
Its creepy NOT to

You're supposed to look in the eye 60-70% percent of the time. Too much and it's a sign of either deep affection or threatening the other person; too little and it looks like you're not listening and want to be somewhere else.

nigga how the fuck is that something you recently learned

Stop fapping.

It makes you come off like a beta loser if you stare at the floor when talking to someone

I feel so self aware and tense when I look people in the eye. My eyes tense up and people look away.

its good shows dominance.
Be the master OP not the slave.

You are probably unironically on the spectrum if you struggle with eye contact. It's literally a symptom of ASD

Try staring at the middle of their forehead.
>Added bonus; Usually makes people feel extremely uncomfortable and judged.

The gym is the street. Not joking.
People you pass, meet their eye contact for a second or two. You will feel really awkward at first, but they don't know you and at worst, you can go back to pulling that hoodie up, put on your gangsta- or rock-music like the zoomer you are and do the virgin walk all the way home.
Over time, you will not only notice people act neutral, some women (female) even give you a small smile. Some of it might be a smirk, some arrogant you-are-a-loser smile, but you don't know the difference and overall end up more confident.
And for the love of God, practice some mimic and movement in your face and don't have some hollow and empty dead-eye look like a frigging autist.

If you trust your close friends, have them remind you when your eyes wander off.

try looking at the bridge of their noseriggt between the eyes. you don't have to look them right in the eye and they think you are. thank me later.

Yeah, it's called NoFap.

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but my therapist said three years ago that i could work on it

this

You only need to do it briefly, let them know you are listening

i have trouble with it but then again i have trouble looking at the same spot on a wall for longer than a couple of seconds, my eyes just keep moving, so does the rest of me or just my hands if im more relaxed

ignore this unoriginal comment, I should have read the thread

I struggle with eye contact a lot. No idea why. It’s a concious effort to keep looking. Everything else is easy

Most people look at the bridge of the nose. Just a curiousity of double eye vision.

Men tend to make eye contact less than women and it's women that make a big deal of it. I had it explained to me as an evolutionary development.

Men evolved to work, fight and hunt together and we open up best talking side by side. Initially hunting. Scanning the environment as we go but nowadays most men open up on car journeys etc. Being square on to your friend keeping constant eye contact is aggressive behaviour to a man.

Women evolved to communicate face to face. With babys and children etc and don't get this. So prefer sitting and talking face to face and lots of eye contact because they were chilling safe n the knowledge a bunch of men were keeping them safe.

It's easily observable every day. Long story short societys pushing you to be a domesicated pussy and socialise like a woman OP. Don't beat yourself up that it doesn't come naturally.

think of yourself of a detective, you need to look at the eyes to know if they tell the truth, bonus points if you change your face when you spot them lying, that's alpha as fuck

Cheese puff therapy. Unless you’re a toddler or young kid there’s nothing the psychiatric community can do to help you.

Niggas need to realize interacting with women and interacting with men isn't the same.
Your slight spergs, not looking into people's eyes and answering questions with closing responses that don't allow the conversation to flow any further isn't bad between men unless one is especially effeminate.
Women think any of this is an outright sign of disinterest. It's not hard to learn how to do it right, just look it up on youtube or something, it's ultimately very straightfoward, but you do have to keep it in mind until it becomes natural.

So much this, i used to feel proper awkward looking into peoples eyes, i really just started trying to do it, and especially the people on the street, i started making eye contact, then started giving people a smile, it's actually amazing how many people smile back, it feels good for both people, and extra good when a hot girl smiles back, sometimes you just get a little smile, sometimes it's a big smile like you've just cheered them up. Honestly it's great, and it makes you seem more approachable and friendly

>empty dead-eye look
it's not my fault

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Unless you want them to fall in love

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I have no problem looking people in the eyes but smiling at random passersby always feels awkward.
Then again, whenever someone smiles at me I automatically smile back and it does lift my spirits.
Maybe I should give it a try

Don't get me wrong, i felt awkward as hell when i decided to start doing it, but like you say, it makes you feel good if someone smiles at you, make other people feel good by smiling at them, and you'll feel good when they smile back, it's honestly just become habit nowadays, but i can tell it brightens some peoples days.
On the other hand i now realise how grumpy some people look, don't let it dissuade you if they don't smile back, keep going and someone will.

Honestly such a little thing, but it has increased my confidence 10 fold

>friends

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My wife's mother called me out for that, she said it was disrespectful to not look at people in the eye when they're talking to you. I don't like to look at people in the eye because it's boring, my mind just wanders off and I lose interest in whatever the person is talking about. I don't do it because of insecurities or whatever, I just get fucking bored. I've started looking at people in the eye though, they always look down or away, so I do it for my own entertainment now. Some look down or away and some start tripping on their words lol.

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>only recently noticed
Anyway it's not as important as people make it out to be. I've never been good with eye contact even with close family but it doesn't effect me socially or from a professional stand point I've still passed job interviews and my work regularly requires me to train stuff . I find myself having conversations and suddenly remembering to make eye contact but noone has every really passed comment to me about it the most I've had said is a few people I've known for a while commenting on how they didn't realise I had such nice eyes.

I avoid looking people in the eyes because my eyebrows are creating a slight unibrow. I don't want people to notice it.

People will look at your eyes even when you're not looking at theirs. You aren't hiding shit unless you turn your whole face away, and then people won't be able to hear you.
Just shave that shit or something.

>Just shave that shit or something
But then people will notice it.

Its because autists can read peoples minds when looking into their eyes, its kinda creepy and thats why I dont do it

Pretty sure they can tell when you're upclose

>people talk to me
>I stare off in the distance while focusing on their story cause looking at them while they're talking feels awkward
>8/10 think I'm not listening

It's not like I can't just look them in the eyes, but it just feels weird.

>tfw stare deeply into gf's eyes for 10+ seconds at a time
comfy

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If I'm buying something at a store and the clerk is doing stuff on their register am I suppose to keep staring at them?
I usually look away at other stuff until they finish because silence makes me feel awkward.

If you find constantly looking at people in the eye, do this instead:

When listening you don't have to look them in the eye, perhaps a few glances. Just turn your head slightly so one of your ears faces them. But when actually talking look them in the eye. This is hard to explain, but it is alot easier to look someone in the eye when you're the one talking, when it's their turn it's much more difficult.

Once you get this down you can slowly try to increase the amount of time you glance at their eyes when they talk. Eventually you'll find it easy.

But most importantly understand people expect you to look at them when they're talking, so it is not creepy.

I have but of an asymmetric face, one brow is like pic related but to a lesser degree. I never struggle keeping eye contact but most of people struggle to look at me. Lately i realized because it might be my raises eyebrow that gives me a judgemental look that drives some people away. It dawned on me like this:
>see pretty girl i like in uni
>make 3-4 seconds eye contact while i walk towards my seat (she was seating right behind me)
>in the middle of eye contact she raises eyebrow, probably she thought i was raising my eyebrow at her or something?
Cant help but chuckle at this kinda shit but also makes me sad i couldvebeen 8/10 if only my face was symmetrical

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Look at the upper nose bridge
>sage
/thread closed

>can't hold eye contact
>claims to have a gf

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huh? I'm pretty sure you are not supposed to look people in the eyes. That's fucking weird and creepy.

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>exgf told me she didn't see a future with us because i'm too introvert
>don't talk much at her family events
>didn't dance with her

how do i conquer my inner introvert

it's weird man. I think it's wired somewhere in my brain that it's an intimate thing

or i'm autistic

I have assburgers and I get panic attacks when I look in people's eyes for longer than 5 seconds. Perhaps we're on the same boat

God that looks comfy

Just get up and dance mate. And when you have to do something that makes you anxious just acknowledge it mentally and do it anyways. And when you inevitably embarrass yourself just smile and let it roll off your shoulders.

Do it daily, then. Or don't it's irrelevant.
It doesn't make a difference whether you look people in the eyes or not, they'll see your eyebrows either way. Looking away makes you a sperg with a unibrow instead of some guy with a unibrow.

easier said than done user... always think that i might act awkward and people might think shit about me
no problem dancing when drunk though, get pretty extrovert then

Raise your other eyebrow.
Did you at least talk to the qt? That sounds like an invitation to me.

Unironically do drugs. Not be high all the time, but try doing cocaine, MDMA and if you still have problems, LSD or shrooms.
Just once could do it, but enough to be legitimately high.

tried mdma user
shits like alcohol but with a more clearer mind
staying away from shroom or lsd, will def fuck me up a lot

>staying away from shroom or lsd, will def fuck me up a lot
How so?

weed makes me go all crazy in the head

I'm not talking about actually having to be high, some of this shit opens up a whole new world for some from just a single use.
Cocaine completely turned my confidence around. I rarely sperg out in anxiety or care about what strangers think of me anymore. Only time I've done it in years was when I went to a doctor, because I haven't been to the doctor since I was a preteen and it was was an STD clinic so they looked at my dick.

that's what the first time mdma did to me
i'm not that introvert anymore, but still at occasions with people i don't know at all, it kicks in

If you're too beta to look into eyes, look somewhere close, eyebrows, nose etc. and who you're talking wont know the difference

just look into ONE eye
never change the eyes you're looking into, just one. and maintain it

Yeah, try cocaine.
Just keep in mind that even if you don't think you're high anymore, you're still high.

nah man, got heart problems
it'd fuck me up hard

RIP

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That's not true. If you are actually watching their eyes, you can tell what part of the face they are watching. You are supposed to be letting your eyes wander the face to observe expression.

Try shrooms. They will change you completely.

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Oof, I got nothing, then.
I heard psychedelics are all-around wonder drugs for this shit, but I can't confirm from personal experience.

i fucking hate this
>gf tells me i don't hold eye contact well
>try it with other people
>they don't even do it themselves

Cringe, beta and fedora

not him but i can't and i got one. she is entertained by my autism

They are literally thinking “awww that’s so cute he must have ass burgers”

look i fucking love my psychedelics but what is it about this community that cannot let someone say "i don't want to try it" just let people choose not to take a fucking mind altering substance. at least suggest microdosing or something christ, some people just don't want to trip

You should try shrooms.

I had a friends on high school who wouldnt look anyone in the eye ever and it really pissed me off

>clients
genuinely interested, whats your job senpai?

i gas niggers lol hahahahahahaha

i realized when i was 16 that i always looked at people's mouths when they talked to me and now i have to think about looking them in the eye and it always distracts me thinking about thinking about looking them in the eye so i don't pay attention to what they are saying

sounds autistic af but is unironically good advice

Kek that is literally a sign of autism

>never look anyone in the eye
Heh, they aren't worth my eyecontact.
I bet they think I'm cool.

The gym is the street, just walk down the street and try to look everyone you pass in the eye.. Make sure you get their eye colors is a good way to know you looked.

just find a girl that likes introverts

as a rule of thumb:
when listening to someone i look into their eyes 2/3 of the time, when speaking to someone 1/3 of the time
>when theyre busy doing smth
just hell no

go back to your containment board underage larper

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suck my dick you monkey
>hoo hoo hoo hoo

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where's an iceberg when you need one amirite?

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Nah senpai, it's cute that you think that. Be less beta