What is the point of rows?

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The point of rows is to add an explosive exercise, so no you can't replace them with dips. Start every rep from the floor instead of keeping your bar on your thighs like a nerd.

I also felt weird about rows when I was an early novice. Never felt like I was getting the back muscle activation.

now, 1.5 years into lifting, BB rows are my favorite exercise. You grow into them. If you're still a noob, just stick to deadlifting with proper form.

Barbell medicine staff doesnt recommend BB rows anymore.
They're useless and too taxing for what they bring.
DB rows / Pulldowns are better for hypertrophy and more deadlifts/ rack pulls is better for back thickness.
Im glad i removed this shit exercise.

No you couldn't. Post body

how much of a genetic deadend you need to be to think a 225 lbs row for reps is somewhat impressive you need to ask for body pics

You actually believe that the first time you attempted a bb row you could do 10 strict reps from the floor with 100kg... Post body.

>barbell medicine staff
Shut the FUCK up. The only "barbell medicine staff" with a say in the matter in Mark fucking RIPPETOE and he says: DO MORE ROWS

i had a squating, pull ups, and very solid benching historial for years before that, its not like i did that untrained, all my body was already strong enough to attemp that and im 230 lbs strongfat so idk whats weird about it, i had a strong and very well trained CNS

Use the squat rack, set the pins to around knee/shin height, and then row off the pins rather than rowing off the floor. I don't row off the floor because I have long legs, long torso, and short arms so it makes it difficult to not round my back. Rowing off the pins lets you stand upright and remove a lot of the legs/lower back out of the exercise.

i dont get why people have such a hard time with rows just watch the alan thrall video on it
>back parallel to ground
>bring bar to chest/body
>easiest version is the one were you ease the bar down

Way does alternating mean one day you do one then the next day the other? I've just been doing both

Hi, Mark. Don’t you want to say something about snatches?

I’ve watched his video and tried to emulate his style, but I find my core slips and I start kipping at pretty low weight (like by 120 or so). Whereas I weigh 200 and can easily do 5 chins. Maybe I’m missing something?
I’ve tried these and they are a lot easier, but I feel like you’re not getting the same workout? I’m tall so it could be part of the problem.

I never did GSLP. But my understanding of pic related is:
OHP
Chin
Squat

Then
Bench
Row
Dead

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And this variant substitutes chins for rows.

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Whoops, well can't quit now

I thought Rip hated rows? Also, t-bar rows are better than bent over rows.

not OP but what if I literally can't bend down enough to do a row? The farthest I can stretch is maybe 40 degrees from standing straight.

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oh my god man the fucking irony, mark rippetoe dislikes rows and doesn't program them for his lifters at all

direct quote
>My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500.

barbell medicine guys (all of whom are much much stronger than rippetoe ever was) rec. rows much more than mark does

Never incorporated rack pulls. What’s the point if you’re also doing deadlifts? Is it just less taxing than DL so you can get in more volume?

Then lose weight

compound that works delts and mid back (with assistance from triceps). if you're having difficulty doing pendlay rows with correct form then lower the fucking weight, ego lifter.

I hate standard barbell rows. T-bar is my preference lately.

same bro my palms get sweaty watching people do pendlay rows i've never seen anyone that could do them without a rounded ass back

Your back is supposed to round abit in the starting position
The pendlay row is one explosive movement of setting the lumbar neutral by bringing the chest up and pulling the bar to your upper abs

im skinny dyel

Why tf do people even do bent over barbell rows when t bar rows exist?

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You definitely shouldn't be trying to row with your arms if that's what you're implying.
Same with pull-ups. Start with slightly tensing your rtis and arm fully extended then initate the momentum with your back muscles squeezing shoulder blades and lats. I think doing pendlay rows to start with helped with this connection for better form, but now I like bent-over rows doing a bar path that feels natural, better contraction and pump than pendlays. You also have to brace properly and use enough hips/core to maintain proper position without doing too much of the work, make sure you're keeping your elbows in too.
Chins are fine, but for middle/upper back rows are far better and yes they are different. You could probably do high pulls instead but rows are nice.

I hear you. It’s not about ego. It’s that I feel even the slightest progress I end up kipping my body instead of coming from strength. I can DL 3 plate and do chins for easy reps at 200 lbs, but with rows I keep plateauing and deloading in the low 100s. That’s not normal, right? Is it just weak core?

Why do people do t bar rows when seal rows exist?

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I think I wanna add chins to SS, its been about 5 weeks, thought(s)?

As a supplement? Sure. Add it after deadlifts. Or do a chin routine on an off day (volume chins, hangs, negatives, Australians, muscle ups, whatever).

If you mean instead of something else, well that’s what this thread is debating.

any recommendations for like sets or how many or anything? I'm sure I can't do that many

Stage 3 pulls in SS has chins already.

Based t bar bro. The only back exercises you need are as follows:

Weighted pull up
T Bar Row
Seated Cable Row
Deadlift

That’s it.

Post body tho

You’ve GOT to have one of these at your gym.
I quite literally could make a whole back day out of switching grips and rep ranges while drop setting. Have no idea what these “experienced lifters” are telling you. Bent over rows are NOT a natural movement. Terrible for your lower back if your form isn’t superb. LUCKILY for you back isn’t a muscle area that’s confined to any particular excersize. I’d argue it’s the most complex muscle group with the most vast ways to hit it

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I thought SS already had chins/pulls

How many chins or pulls can you do in one set without stopping? How many can you do broken into sets with 1-5 minutes rest?

Yeah. I do a very mild variation, using the pins to raise the bar off of the floor by about 4 cm.

that's not a t-bar row, that's a lever row

and it's fucking 10/10 greatest row variation i've ever run across

It does, supposed to be after cleans every other day iirc

if this isn't bait I am genuinely scared. Deadlifts are the king of lifts

Dawg i feel you, i have tight ass hamstrings (can't touch my toes with straight legs. i can't even get to my ankles) so i just bend my knees more and move them out of the way while i row. Looks a little autistic moving my legs so much but fuck it. As long as your back is parallel, you good

I switched BB rows for DB rows (unironically got the form from Jeff Cavaliere on YT) and basically never looked back. I could throw up 275 on Pendlay rows but still feel I get a better workout using DBs, especially at the end of the pull where I can rotate a bit to fully contract the lats. Just my 2 cents.

ill try this next time, better than keeping the bar above the knees like i usually do

>Barbell medicine staff doesnt recommend BB rows anymore.
Dude what? They are in their programs ffs

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what do you recommend instead of deadlifting?

This. I dropped rows and only do pull ups now. Deadlifts hit my upper back enough and rows (at least barbell rows) fatigued my erectors for the next deadlift session anyway.

Im the opposite. Rows work better for my back than pull ups.

Got flat feet, and tight hamstrings. Can't do standing rows for shit, so it's one of the only things I use a machine for. Am I still gonna make it?

That's a variant made by some DYEL on leddit.

fuck this makes sense
gonna do this from now

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YASSSS QUEEN

I won't disagree. But for someone that wants to progress on their deadlift, ditching rows is better than waiting for the carry over imo

I fucking hate bent over barbell rows. I'm gonna try swapping for cable rows today and see how it goes.

because barely any gym has this meme bench and if you weren't a fucking weak dyel shit you would know that rowing heavy weights with chest support puts a lot of stress on your chest. It's very uncomfortable and it leaves me with sternum pain

I do both rows and chins, and I would say they are different.
Rows take a while to get, it's hard to keep your back doing the work unless you're really into it and the load is heavy.
Although now that I think about it my chins are shit, maybe I need to put more back into them

i do bb row after weighted pull ups and snatch grip deadlifts. not with a lot of weight, but slow release (don't think this is a right word, i just pull it slow, for 3 secs).
also, do snatch grip deadlifts do anything? i just started doing them last month.

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do you increase weight every workout or every week?

Wrong.
During stage 3 of pulls you do them after back extensions. Alternating between chinups and pullups.

awesome video.

Set safeties to knee level and do rows from there.

>the point of rows is to add an explosive exercise

Fuck off with your buzzwords faggot. You can do "explosive" weighted pullups, "explosive" cable rows.

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>not doing Yates style bb rows

It's like you guys don't even lift

Which is better: weighted pullups or weighted chinups?

Personally I prefer chins because it actives more aesthetic muscles in the arm. But pulls are harder and therefore more manly.