There is no magical pill that burns your fat off

One of the all time greats. I'll never un-read "New York Gnats"

They all died. Rip in pepperoni

does clen help preserve muscle on a cut?

or do I need to cut on clen + test?

The only weightless drug that truly works is DNP, and 95% of people don’t have the balls to use it

Hit me with a DNP source. Scorpio is dead and Red Rover got busted.

Clen is the little edge that takes top atheletes to the #1 spot, it won’t take you from 300lbs to a lean 180lbs. I say this from experience. All these things, Clen, ECA Stacking, even Amphetamines, they’re really just little boosts that will get those last 2-3% of bodyfat off you need to win the competition.

You need clen, T3, yohimbine, tren and test. It’s the only way.

i took albuterol once and i couldnt sit still, was very uncomfortable.

Do these do anything or are they a meme

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Just take adderal and don’t eat for a week if you’re that desperate for a quick fix or kill yourself with DNP.

Clen losses are barely more than an ephedrine stack.

Here’s a bold theory, just eat 500 below TDEE for 2 months and lose 8-12 lbs depending on how much cardio you do.

do you really need to ask i mean just look at it

They have good reviews though

>What's this then?
it's a medication for asthma that's no more used in medicine because it's harmful

Clen will only increase your body temperature and make you shake like you have parkinsons disease and you might die from heart failure. Clen is harsher than DNP.

Besides that you still need to be in a big caloric deficit to drop weight so it's not a magical pill. Same goes for DNP. High dose of dnp can increase your tdee by 1000 calories and eating 1000 cals per day on dnp is someting very common. That means you have to literally starve yourself and take literal poison on top of that to get fast results. Too bad faggots like you think that one pill will do all the work for you and then they end up dead.

THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS WHEN IT COMES TO BURNING FAT OR BUILDING MUSCLE YOU FUCKING GUILIBLE FAGGOTS

this. dnp spares muscles too. my cum was yellow but fuck if i didn't get ripped.

ECA has better results than clen
Look at the anecdotal evidence on bb forums

Does DNP really make you see clockwork elves?

t. been lifting for a month
Post body

No, you're thinking of DMT.

DMT = dimethyltryptamine, a powerful but short-acting hallucinogenic

DNP = 2,4-dinitrophenol, a somewhat dangerous and certainly toxic chemical sometimes used as a fat loss aid

iS It CalLeD ePHEDrine ?????????????????????

anyone else tried L-carnite or ALCAR?

any positives effects?

Asthma Medicine

oh i see.

Man I really feel bad for all the noobs that are just getting into lifting especially with all the shilling and marketing tactics that these companies put out. Want the best advice in regards to supplements. If its published in a magazine, shown on Facebook or Instagram or even an ad on youtube then dont buy it. Read the ingredients list, understand its mechanism of action, have a decent background in biology and chemistry(I'm talking to you guys in highschool), and see if this is right for you. Not all supplements are shit but most of them are filled with filler and shit that negates what it promotes what it's doing. Read some published studies that have credible sources and you'll find what your looking for.

Clen is fine as a general finisher to an already dialed in diet if run for a short time (less than 2 weeks).

Yes is it muscle sparing due to improved nutrient partioning. Priority goes to glycogen compensation rather than fat storage.

No it does not build muscle, we lack the beta 3 receptors I believe.

The cramps are very bad on clen.

Don't run above 100mcg.

Ask clen/eca/dnp questions I've used them all.

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>Ask clen/eca/dnp questions I've used them all.

Favorite?

Also, what was your cutting diet like with each?

What body fat % did you have when you started cycling it?

What do you think of alternatives like clenbutrol which are advertised to those living in countries where clenbuterol is illegal

Any experience with T3? Just started 75 Tren A and 100 test p EOD with 50 mg winny ED. Looknig to add the T3 to burn off some butter, thinking 50mcgs daily.

Didn't we used to have a DNP/Yohimbine general?

All the /dnp/ regulars died.

Undeniably ECA. Most bang for your buck, that nice amphetamine laser focus and no appetite whatsoever. 1500 cals but still banging out 50 sets a day gets you lean quick.

Diet wise I'm not keen on cutting for a long time but I also don't let myself get above 15% because it's a pain in the ass cutting back down to 10%.

I generally follow Lyle McDonald's advice and utilise PSMF or Ultimate Diet 2.0 (meme name but fantastic protocol).

Psmf is 200g~ protein only and 1x6g fish oils.

UD 2.0 is a bit more lenient affording 50g or so carbs, 1200 cals a day with a big 24 carb load of 800-1200g carbs thursday/Friday for glycogen supercompensation.

When I can be bothered I like to stack yohimbine with clen though I don't recommend this with eca feels like death.

I would not use any fat burner unless under 15%, ironically. They serve as a garnish to an already dialed in diet.

ECA up to 12%, then drop it for clen & yohimbine for 2 weeks. This generally gets me to 10% in about 3 weeks if I manipulate water.

T3 is the only thing I'm scared to fuck with. I understand it does well with dnp/clen. I would exercise caution friend.

Besides above 500 tren nutrient partitioning becomes godlike. I honestly wouldn't bother with a fat burner on tren and you're running Winny as well so I wouldn't stack any more.

Jow Forums is too retarded to fuck with DNP. This is for the best.

How many mg ephedra per day? Are the caffeine and aspirin necessary?

srs?

Can you detail more about your guide to ECA? Any helpful advice on dosing, side effects, etc?

That's why the threads stopped yeah.

25-100mg per day
low cal diet
synergizes well with caffeine
aspirin is a meme unless you're roiding (high RBCs) or obese

i drink a lot of /sips/ so side effects are minimal for me but sometimes it's just regular jitters like too much caffeine

>Roiding for this

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the amount of calories it burns is pretty negligible, like 7-10% of tdee are generous estimations if you keep consistent doses throughout the day.

people take it primarily for appetite suppression, i have noticed that i work an entire day and only realize i didn't eat at all by the time i get home

>jitters

L-Theanine is GOAT when you stack it alongside ECA.

Completely neutralizes jitters and anxiety, leaving you with the energy and alertness.

Im not advocating that specific brand, but in my opinion if you are already at 20% or lower they help curb apatite and increase energy while on a diet. They are just glorified caffeine pills. During the summer I take stacker 3 that's because I get them for $15 at 100 count. The effects I have with "fat loss" on these may be because they contain shellfish and I'm mildly allergic. For the average person that just wants to lose weight I wouldn't recommend anything you can buy over the counter except Ally. That stuff from what I've seen is horrible though as pizza grease leaks out of your ass.

So Caffiene is needed to do the stack. Can't replace it for something softer?

Also can you go into detail from what you mean by obese. I mean I'm a big guy but not obese but should I still use aspirin?

I mean, if you've been eating fried chicken and don't go to the doctor regular I'd take ASA just to be cafe.

The few times I have taken it without caffeine, (usually just an energy drink), it doesn't feel as potent.

>I mean I'm a big guy but not obese but should I still use aspirin?

If your bodyfat is higher than 20%, you shouldn't even be bothering with stacks and supps.

>*barely increases your bmr while giving you permanent heart damage*

nonsense

take your potassium, keep out of the saunas, and you'll be fine

simple as

Just fucking stop eating instead of literally poisoning yourself you dumb brainlet.

Go buttchug your snakejuice, faggot.

Some of us aren't obese and actually have muscle we'd like to hold onto, /fast/ fag.

I actually only needed to dose once a day, usually pwo. Caffeine is essential, aspirin is unnecessary.

Sustained usage (2 months I took it daily)made my eye twitch other then the nothing, maybe some slight lethargy for a few days.

I was natty then, fat burners aren't roids.

This, its main benefit is producing a state of non-hunger making diet adherence a breeze and counteracting low cal lethargy.

This, your heart probably can't take it.

It's a good 7-10% increase but your looking at the small picture. You're not catabolizing muscle, nutrient partitioning improves and you break through fat loss plateaus that emerge when you reach 10-12%.

Stopping eating will only work up to 12% bf before you have to employ extra measures.

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>Jow Forums is too retarded to fuck with DNP. This is for the best.
How do I into DNP?

heh, i take 24mg ephedrine 3x daily PLUS 2 norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors

the amount of norepinephrine flowing through my brain is incalculable

>norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors
?

it doesnt matter. none of this matters.

You don't.

Unless you have:
NAC
Glutathione

Are willing to risk:
peripheral neuropathy
Cataracts
Damage to your DNA

Willing to Experience:
Stinking of sulphur
Staining your clothes/sheets yellow
Extreme lethargy

Don't go above 300mg. Every 100mg adds about 11% to your metabolism but the risks are too high above 300.

You will look flat as fuck due to no glycogen also so you may misconstrue that as muscle loss but dnp is a mitochondria uncoupler so it doesn't catabolize muscle.

Again, 99% here are better off eating bronkaid and caffeine for a few weeks.

Great idea Canel Alverez.

"It's from tainted meat" Why the fuck would meat want to cut weight?

/fast/ here
You don't need drugs
JUST
STOP
FUCKING
EATING
if you diet with drugs/stimulants you are weak and a colossal faggot

ctrl + f cardarine
fucking casual faggots.

Which NAC? I see two different medications under the wikipedia page.

I am running PSMF at the moment and have lost 5.8kg in 10 days, I started at the edge of obesity though. It is an excellent book and all n00bs should read it so they understand that a calorie is not just a calorie.

lol okay cancer boy

N-acetyl Cysteine

I do both faggot

Lyle's book are imo essential reading for anyone looking to understand the science of nutrition which as far as I'm concerned is required to look your best.

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Thanks. I probably won't bother since low bf% isn't a priority for me but it's good to know how.

retards killed themselves and good sources dried out

i ordered DNP through a source here once back in the day, shit was awesome

problem is a few people OD'd out in the world (no one from here as far as i know) and sources started getting shut down, those that remained wanted bitcoin payment and shit, it was too much of a hazzle for most people

when i did it i only used ephedrine and caffeine, no aspirin

Actually, there are shortcuts. Clen and DNP work magically with anabolic androgenic steroids. Lose fat while building muscle. If you take dnp or clen as a natty though you’ll just end up looking natty as fuck, or like a skinny tweaker

One bronkaid tab a day with a 200mg caffeine tab

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>Lose fat while building muscle
>building muscle on a 2000 caloric deficit
end yourself you fucking idiot

None of those sides seem that bad I'm gonna take some DNP I ordered a few months ago but was too scared to take

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