Sup Jow Forums. Its Saturday night and we're here on Jow Forums
If you had no social skills and friends, and decided to go to a club or bar alone, how would you talk to people and practice conversations?
>Tfw no social skills >Attending salsa classes for a few months >finally decide to attend a social held by the school What do I talk about with people (assuming they want to talk to me)
>Should I talk to people in line outside the club? >How do I approach a group that's together
I already know the looking good ladies technique
How would you adapt to talking to people at your gym (instead of a club)?
I've yet to find a study that proves brain damage when used less than once every 3 months but If there is please link to stop me destroying myself ignorantly
Jaxon Powell
I'm at my wits end about where to meet women. I don't drink, and don't want to date the sort of women that hang out in bars anyway. I work from home, so no coworkers to network with. I've been to some meetups, but my interests seem to mostly attract dudes. Dating apps are complete garbage. I moved to a new city so I know precisely nobody.
for mdma, you're correct. also do not use more than 220 mg at any time
Understandable. Be sure to note that all these horror stories are from people who abused these things and did not take them seriously.
Jayden Hill
Just order water at bars
Go to your hobbies and make guy friends that can introduce you to girls
Isaiah Morales
and most of the time girls don't care if you're drinking or not
Adrian Brooks
>Its Saturday night and we're here on Jow Forums It's Saturday night and I'm here at work again. I work Friday-Monday nights.
Dude if I go to a bar alone I just say fucking whatever. That's what I always do. Doesn't matter what you say as long as you don't look like you're HIV ridden or a total flaming faggot. You don't even need to be interesting. Just fuckin say some shit and don't think about it. That's what booze is for.
And plus I guarantee other people don't know what to say either. So just fucking say anything you want that's not an insult and you'll be fiiiiiiine
Talk to whoever, wherever. It doesn't matter. What's the worst that'll happen? They'll just stop talking to you. Literally. That's it. Nobody's gonna beat you up and you'll probably never see these people again, so why would you care what they think anyway?
And finally, don't *try* to talk to people at your gym. Do your fuckin workout and don't bug someone unless you have to or you got a comment on their form or some shit. When I was a n00b I asked to work in with some dude and we hit it off and traded tips and shit. Now I tend to do the same to others. Just don't be a pest is really all.
Don't overthink it. Don't be a faggot. Lift heavy things, mog people, and don't be a pussy
Hunter Evans
I've been going out alone on and off for years now >go to a bar >get a drink >ask the bartenders how their nights are going >get a little buzz >ask the people next to you what brought them out >realize most people are just as bored and lonely >try to find common interests >If it's a girl listen and nod for an hour and then say I'm about to go to the house what's your plan for the night
Say "I like taking beautiful women out to dinner". You can push with a joke if your CHR high enough "know any beautiful women?" But otherwise push for her number and pick a place
Andrew Jenkins
Use tinder. Go out with anyone not hideous. Use that to practice. Remember to hug her when you first meet. Touch her on the shoulder when you first talk now and again. Escalate throughout the conversation to wrists, arm, knee, thigh etc depending on how things go.
Andrew James
Fucking NPC response
Ask her if she'll gas Jews with you, you got this bro I believe in you
Julian Rogers
>i work from home thats your problem, you computer science sperglord. jesus christ you aspie, cant even leave the house for work?
Ryan Mitchell
Don't do any of this, ever.
Blake Collins
So what, use NPC programming to get NPCs where you want them. Makes sense
Nolan Scott
>you respond immediately >she takes 20 minutes
give up your thirst
Jose Reed
>Ask her if she'll gas Jews with you
Don't bother, only girl that ever said yes to this was hideous. There aren't really any attractive right wing thots
Benjamin Cooper
>There aren't really any attractive right wing thots hm i wonder why that is
it's partner dancing so you need to ask a grill to dance. i couldn't do it. just literally sat there for 1.5 hours then left
>people already know each other and dance with people they know usually >i'm not that great at salsa, not as good as many of the people already there >more than half the songs were bachata and other latin dances, which i don't know feels bad man
same. i'm trying to shed all material comforts in preparation for it. i don't talk to anyone, i sleep on the floor, i cancelled my internet, so after this month, no more chans. eventually i plan on buying a piece of land and living in the woods, lifting weights and drinking milk, just waiting for nothing
Xavier Scott
Best advice all thread
Michael Wilson
next time just be yourself
Adam Powell
get the fuck off my board
Ian Edwards
just get a little drunk, eat some of whatever tame stimulant RC you can find, buy a pack of smokes, and talk to people outside.
Michael Cox
I fucking went to the club with my friends and now I'm sitting on the floor in some dudes room tryina avoid overheating and this girl I followed here is snoring like a snorefuck. And this other dude is fingering this other girl and im just browsing 4channel on my phone and i won't be able to fall asleep. At least snore girl had nice tits though i licked them and felt them and she felt my dick and we made out but damn she's fucking warm i can't lie next to her and I'm reading a two thousand year old book instead of doing whatever i should try to close my eyes a bit at least
Proceed with what??? Bothering this girl????? She's barely talking to you homie...
Daniel Johnson
>How would you talk to people and practice conversations? Just be friendly, don't overthink what you are saying. You practice by conversating, at first you may act retarded but who gives a fuck, accept that you are retarded and have fun
>What do I talk about with people (assuming they want to talk to me) If you notice you have something in common you can start with that. Or start with small talk, like weather and shit and then continue with something not NPC. Usually people don't think if they want to talk with you or not, its natural to have conversations, dont overthink it. If they are busy or not in the mood you will notice by the way the act, and just stop talking to them.
>Should I talk to people in line outside the club? Yeah why not? Usually in lines people are drunk and bored, you can make friends or flirt with someone, if you then bump into each other inside you will have some confidence to dance with them or drink some shit
>How do I approach a group that's together It depends you intentions or your situation. If you are outside of the club you can just say hi and tell them your friends are inside and you are bored waiting alone, ask them some shit if they seem friendly, if not avoid them
>How would you adapt to talking to people at your gym (instead of a club)? I find it easier to speak to people at the gym. I usually just say hi to those i see often, then maybe ask techniques tips, small talk comments. As times passes, you will be more confident to talk about more personal stuff
Jaxon Sanchez
Stop thinking so much
Noah Bailey
Sorry to hear about that. From my personal experience, usually when i tried to avoid being awkard, i ended up being more awkard than i feared. Thing that happened to me: >be at class >assigment is in pairs, teacher tells us to get a partner >i sit quietly looking around in fear of acting like a retard with a classmate >everyone gets a partner, and i just the quiet kid that doesn't speak and the teacher has to find me someone It would have been better to stutter and mix up a few words and laugh it off than that shit
Adam Carter
idk lads I am on the ascending trajectory, it took 6 fucking years but I got laid on my own tonight.
>Teenager start browsing Jow Forums in 2013 >minimum wage job >No education >No friends >2014 get job in a fucking warehouse >Go from skinnyfat to state level weightlifter >Make gym friends >Start taking night classes to get GED >2015 start doing a degree, have a better paying job moving fucking furniture >2016 keep lifting fucking furniture and crushing it at the gym >2017 drop out of my night class degree to work as a software engineer, spend 60 hours+ a week at work and lose motivation to exercise >2018 new years resolutions bitches, I'm getting back in shape >today, swiped right on a 4/10 chick on tinder and got my dick wet. Didn't proceed to fall in love.
More than 5 fucking years of trying to get my life on track but I'm finally making it.
I hope zyzz is smiling down upon me tonight.
Look guys, I'm an ugly fuck and I started as low as any one of you. I believe every one of you can become who you want to be.
i know this is a cancerous mindset to have, to just be resigned to being a loser, but we really need to understand that at some point, it is the life people are meant to live.
like for me, ive gone 26 years without even even going on a date or asking a girl out, let alone any sort of kissing or sex. ive never even comprehended it. i have no desire to get an escort and i am going to be too humiliated to ever try with a girl; the only way i ever would would be if she knew i was a complete life loser and still liked me. i've also been without friends since i was like 13-14 years old and i am a compete misanthrope, i just get annoyed frustrated and angry with everyone and everything.
i can talk to people and make them laugh everywhere i go, i just completely shut down in social situations, completely hide my entire life so people dont realize what a loser i am, and im just too weird and poisonous for people to really like me
people like me and OP, its over for us.
yeah i remember doing that in class sometimes, my go-to was just putting my head down on my desk and acting like i wasnt paying attention then eventually someone comes to me
Matthew Rivera
i dont understand, why arent you trying to bang her? if you guys already felt each other up a bit, why dont you just lie next to her and "accidentally" wake her up after a few seconds wrapping your arm around her and tell her "oh sorry im just trying to sleep, i have a lot of energy right now" and maybe shell say "oh yeah well maybe you need something to tire you out a bit" then boom sex
Aiden White
I was hitting off with this girl in the bar. It was going great, she even called me beautiful (nonnative English speaker I guess). she said that she had to go to the bathroom. She never came back.
Hey user, I'm started going to salsa a couple months ago too. We have two hours of lessons on Mondays and Fridays. On Fridays, the lesson is followed by a social dancing where people dance with each other.
The problem I am having is not being able to remember the moves I learnt in the previous lessons. In the social, I'll practice the ones I learnt in the lesson that day but that's about it. There's plenty of cute grills but they are all dancing with the guys who are really good. Something the gym taught me is that you have to stick with something to become good at it, so I will.
Why are you finding it difficult to ask a girl to dance? If you are a beginner, ask a girl who is a beginner. There is literally nothing wrong with asking a grill to dance, that's what they are all there for. If you aren't taking lessons maybe you should, it would make you more confident and you could dance with the women from your class during the social as you already kind of know them.
Noah Lopez
Man I was using phenibut twice a week for about 3 months. According to people online that won't push you into addiction, but going off the pills was a wild ride. Sleeping 3 hours a night for like two weeks, pissed the bed while having terrible dreams because I was in a limbo between sleep and real life. Eye wouldn't stop twitching. Talking to people without being a sperg was nice, but it's not worth what comes after.
Ayden Butler
Went to a party last night(britbong) and met a girl there who I just clicked with, looked really good as well. We danced all night and I wanted to make out, but I never did cause I’ve got a gf. I want to go out with this girl but if I break up with my gf I lose my social group, as I met them through my gf before we started dating. >inb4 fuck off blogfag Just want advice brehs
>do not use more than 220 mg at any time Hard to take you srs when you make empty statements like that. That's a whole lot for a little girl, not so crazy for a big guy
Alexander Sanchez
if you are below 25 fuck the new girl and hope you don't bet caught
Bentley Brown
It doesn't take a boatload of women to make a ton, user.
Grayson Gray
For you
Asher Moore
This is what Tinder is for. Girls are even more awkward than you are. And I still made it getting my first gf @30. I didn't tell her that she's my first and just faked confidence.
I broke up with her after 2 years and I've been doing Tinder ever since. I know it's easier to get girls if you're in your 30s than in your 20s but I can't imagine that it's impossible.
Take a picture (can be a selfie) smiling into the camera with your mouth closed, no glasses and in an interesting setting (eg outside). Swipe until you have a couple matches. Tell them:
Hi xxx, I like your profile. You have a very sympathetic smile :). How often do you do your shown activity?
Some won't answer. Doesn't matter. Those who answer are interested in you and down for a meeting. So don't bother chatting too much. The second message you write her should include meeting her. Public space, preferably during daylight hours, short timeframe (60-90 minutes). You should have a follow up activity yourself so you can't stay longer than 90 minutes ( make something up if you don't have one).
If there's a connection you can do something including alcohol or a longer actitivy on the second date (hiking is great if you want to fuck her on the second date. Anything that gets her pulse going).
I also found that you should not ask for her phone number on the first date. If the first date went where you can ask her then for the second date. I usually don't ask at all and let them ask for mine.
Adrian Rivera
And what if you're above 25? What's the difference?
Kevin Morales
Based
Thomas Walker
finding it difficult to ask a girl because they usually are sitting down at a table, talking to someone. the girls didn't stand on the dance floor, or if they do they are with another guy or girl talking
so me, another beginner asking them to dance is hard. especially when i often see them dancing with more experienced dancers. the experienced guys literally look at girls (who I think they know somewhat) and say "come on" or "let's go" with an outstretched hand
so i spent about 2 hours just sitting down at a table, watching other people dance
try going engaging with something more masculine first to build physical and social confidence, like mma or bjj. most gyms nowadays are not segregated and there are usually girls who are at these things to hover around chads the same way you are hovering around girls at salsa class or whatever. these types of girls are more masculine and will just approach and talk to everyone (unless you're just totally undesirable), just definitely don't sexualize anything in the class/on the mats and stay in your lane. it's good social practice even if it doesn't end up getting you laid (it almost definitely won't, unless you are exceptionally good and win amateur/professional fights). also stop thinking so much about whether or not girls at whatever class you go to like you or not. you are there to learn how to dance. the socializing should more or less be centered around the dancing. going to something like this with the sole intention of meeting girls will make it obvious that you aren't actually there to learn how to dance unless you have exceptionally good game. girls smell that shit from a mile away.
>try going engaging with something more masculine first to build physical and social confidence, like mma or bjj. anything else? not into fighting tbqh, i do want to get into bouldering again
>stop thinking so much about whether or not girls at whatever class you go to like you or not i care in the sense that i want to be a better dancer, and girls will want to dance with good dancers. tbqh i'm not too attracted to most of the girls at my dance classes or the party i went to
i do want to get better at dancing.. it is kind of fun and i have no other hobbies or skills
fugg I always see sorry fags like you at every social dance
Literally just ask a girl to dance, extremely likely she says yes. Joke about being terrible and odds are she'll say she is too even if she's not. Plus the only way to actually learn is to dance.
Maybe try picking out the least threatening looking grill you can find, that's what I always do then work your way up. Even better if she's a noob too.
Are there people you are familiar with from your class? You don't have to be their friend but I'm sure they would be happy to dance since you're both on the same level and can both feel comfortable being terrible.
But if you really did sit around there for 1.5 hours then you're probably marked as an autist and should consider not coming back for a while.
Ryder Gomez
>Literally just ask a girl to dance, extremely likely she says yes it just seemed like every girl was sitting down at a table, usually talking to someone. most of the girls already on the dance floor usually go back to their tables after each song
>Are there people you are familiar with from your class? there were a few people from the classes i take, but i'm not too friendly with them. similarly, they were at a table sitting down talking
>then you're probably marked as an autist ;_; how do i recover from this.
i might see a few of the girls from the social at my next class. actually thinking of pre-planning responses to questions (i'm im asked) like "did you have a good time?"
realize that most people are not attractive or particularly interesting and have their social radar primed to seek out and cling to anyone putting out a signal that resonates with or compliments them in some important way that they are probably not fully aware of. think about what signals you put out, and what signals you look for in others. you are posting pics of dime thots in all of your posts which makes me think something is up with your calibration; your expectations do not line up with the reality of your situation. if the class really is lame and weird or you were really lame and weird while you were there, take objective stock of your situation based on what you've learned from this experience, recalibrate, and try something else.
Bentley Kelly
OP
Read "How to Win Friends & Influence People"
Based on everything I've read in this thread, getting more fit isn't going to help you much. Honestly, girls don't care THAT much about it. They care, but they don't.
Honestly, read that book. Or listen to the audiobook, which you can find online easily if you're not a complete normie. It's a quick read/listen, and it'll change your life & drastically improve your game
Almost all of that is very similar to me, but I'll just straight admit I'm a loser with a smile on my face because I love being a NEET so much. I've had family members or people online try to make me feel guilty about being a leech, but it's like a vegan trying to make me feel guilty about eating meat, I don't care and there's nothing you can do about it.
Pro-tip for group projects or 2-person assignments from when I was in highschool 10 years ago: just get to work immediately without looking for a partner at all. I used to finish those things before everyone would finish finding a partner, and then I'd get to rest of the time to sleep or play jailbroken PSP.
James Young
what signals should one be putting out? and how do they put those signals out? what signals should i look for in others?
how do i recalibrate?
t. autist
Samuel King
I'm not a NEET, but I pretty much live my life like one. Sure I have a shitty job I go to every day, thank god, because at least it's something to do. But otherwise I live with my parents, I go right home after work and stay in my room pretty much the whole time, frequently never even leave the house, and I have no car (get to work/the very rare places I go with a combo of bicycle+public transport)
Matthew Gutierrez
Thanks, read the book, I don't know how to apply it though
Like, people are together, sitting down and chatting. How can I interrupt them
I try to be interested in people, but never know what to say At the social yesterday, I talked to one guy from the classes for about 30 seconds. Didn't know what to say to him at all to keep the conversation going though
I asked him if he's been to one of the dances before, and what kinds of dance music they play. That was about it. Was thinking of asking how long he's been dancing for, but don't know if that would be a good topic
>at least it's something to do If you can't entertain yourself and find something to do in the glorious internet age, you have bigger problems than just being a loser that lives with your parents.
How can you not have a car though? Where does all your money go? You can buy a trash used one for like $1k-2k and it'll run just fine as long as you know what to look out for when buying one. Gas is my only issue, but even then I can get by with just loaning my car out saying shit like "sure I can drive you there/lend it to you but you have to put gas in my car". Just don't get pulled over or get in an accident because you'll get fucked for not having insurance.
Sebastian Sullivan
how do they wipe with long claw nails? do they occasionally scrape the anus?
Lucas Long
My sister told me that she just lets one of her beta orbiters lick it clean for her, for a price of course.
Jackson Thompson
well, then you know the idea: talk about THEM, not you. no one gives a shit about you. ask them questions about themselves & get them talking. seduction is listening but do try to be interesting, though
honestly, if youre friendless, going to social settings sucks. its like going for a swim in the ocean without bringing a boat you can swim back to for resting & safety
if thats chronically the case, try tinder its not tricky, you just need some pictures where you look good. it kinda sucks, but try to get like 2-4 pictures of yourself looking amazing (its honestly not hard. even if youre cunt-ugly, theres some perfect angle), and then just match with EVERYONE, and filter out the ones you wanna talk to afterwards
its easier to hide your autism on a one-to-one date. just look them in the eyes (a lot), smile (subtly) and pretend to be interested as they ramble on. theyll fuck you after a few hours
>well, then you know the idea: talk about THEM, not you. no one gives a shit about you. ask them questions about themselves & get them talking. seduction is listening I'm not him, but I could not give less of a fuck about random strangers. If you think I'm going to waste 30 minutes listening to some dumb cunt prattle on about how Becky slighted her at work 3 weeks ago just for a chance of getting laid, you're out of your fucking mind. I'll just keep jerking off to anime tiddies.
Depends on the situation. If it's in the line outside of the club you have the benefit that you and them might be drunk and people tend to be more friendly. You can aproach and say something like hey it's my first time here, is there any good music, or something about the club. You can say that you are there alone because your friends couldn't go and you didn't want to be depressed at home, or you could lie and say your friends or a girl are waiting inside. Just be fun, friendly and accept the fact that it's kind of weird going alone but you dont give a fuck. But in this situation or any ohter, it doesnt matter what you say, if they are friendly they'll talk to you happily, if not, it's not your faultd, they are just no friendly and no point talking to them
David Nelson
the caveat about the 'one time use' mdma study is that they added a disclaimer stating they have no idea if the brain damage effects are temporary or permanent, and didn't study a long enough timeframe to find out.
Nicholas Myers
Enjoy dying alone, loser.
Owen Lopez
thats why you are alone and unsympathetic
np, good look my dude
Caleb Campbell
dating apps are ez if you have 7/10(+) and fit.
Ask them for a quick fuck on tinder and youll be fucking chicks in no time
Asher Adams
once had me and my buddy bring 2 thots out of the bar and they fucking skrrted while we where buying shit from a deli. Worst feel.
You're either the fattest human alive or have a powerful tolerance
Jackson Martinez
not him but i also dont really take much interest in other peoples' lives, but really the reason why i dont is because i dont want people to then ask me stuff about myself and expose what a shut in loser i am
i basically completely hide all aspects of my life from people (ncluding things as simple as my birthday) for that reason... even had a coworker once say "user how do you expect to make friends if you dont tell anyone anything abou yourself"
Leo Baker
Everyone finds their own way, but if you don't want to date online, find a hobby with a community. I run a chess club and I meet girls through there
Liam Hughes
so read some Marcus Aurelius or some other stoicism and get your shit together
you are correct. its way easier to hit up girls if you actually feel like you have something to offer them. when you actually feel bad
thats why Jow Forums sometimes overlaps with just stoicism and self-improvement in general. because its all part of the same thing; optimizing yourself
i read a fuckton of books (non-fiction. leveling up my brain), and im studying hard to become a lawyer. and im fit, and i wear fancy clothes. it fucking works
and i used to be a lazy pothead nerd, just like you
Brandon Campbell
>you are correct. its way easier to hit up girls if you actually feel like you have something to offer them. when you actually feel bad
